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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:07:10 PM   
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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:09:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I really fid it hard to beg for something I truly enjoy doing such as what Aileen1968 mentioned in her posting...but once..... years ago I begged liked crazy to have some clover clamps removed and that was some intense begging and quite sincere!

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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:10:50 PM   
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what the hell...?

How can you turn begging into zapping the Doms power?



If I say " Master I wish to by something" and the Master says "beg me" and I do it and he gives in and says yes, have *I* gotten what *I* wanted Did I take away from him the power of decision?



Good heavens, you asked to buy something.  You did not get to buy something when you wanted because Master attached a stipulation or request to it.  He told you to beg him for whatever it was  you wanted. You begged. Master accomplished what he wanted. If you satisfactorily completed what he asked, then he allowed you to buy something.
What makes you think you took the decision away from him by doing what he asked? You were not allowed to go out and buy what  you wanted until you had completed your task. 
Just in case this does not make sense to you, the person in control here, the one with the decision making power is not you.

Honestly, your over-thinking this. 


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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:11:48 PM   
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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:11:54 PM   
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I really fid it hard to beg for something I truly enjoy doing such as what Aileen1968 mentioned in her posting...but once..... years ago I begged liked crazy to have some clover clamps removed and that was some intense begging and quite sincere!
i did that once too (if "Get em off, you sonofabitch!!!!!!!" can be considered begging)


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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:14:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		umm.. we are supposed to beg them to take em off? no wonder!! ive been yanking without asking!!! gesh

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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:17:00 PM   
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umm.. we are supposed to beg them to take em off? no wonder!! ive been yanking without asking!!! gesh
ow!

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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:21:04 PM   
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I had it best put to me like this.

A s-types Needs Come FIRST
A D-Types Needs Come SECOND
A D-Types Wants Come THIRD
A s-types Wants Come LAST

Begging has nothing to do with needs, if you have to beg for your needs then you should reevaluate your current position in life.

Steel


So begging is one of the role play exercises, not something one would expect to have happen in real life?

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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:24:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess begging can be role play, but sometimes I will reeeeeeally beg in "real life" too.  Sometimes it works & sometimes it doesn't.  hahaha  Which just goes to show Who has the real power.....not me. 

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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:25:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

I had it best put to me like this.

A s-types Needs Come FIRST
A D-Types Needs Come SECOND
A D-Types Wants Come THIRD
A s-types Wants Come LAST

Begging has nothing to do with needs, if you have to beg for your needs then you should reevaluate your current position in life.

Steel


So begging is one of the role play exercises, not something one would expect to have happen in real life?


role play? i beg to go out, o beg for sex, i beg for money( most women do that!) i be to be allowed to do things outside the home, i even begged to be allowed to look for a job. now while i identify as a slave, even as a submissive i begged for things. begging can be a humbling experience, gives the man (in my case) a thrill, and lets him know i still know who is in charge.

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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:25:44 PM   
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So begging is one of the role play exercises, not something one would expect to have happen in real life?

This question is either megaclueless or snide.  You don't strike me as clueless.

Are you in a bad mood and trying to start an argument?


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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:28:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

umm.. we are supposed to beg them to take em off? no wonder!! ive been yanking without asking!!! gesh
ow!


not that!! his pants!!

lmao

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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:32:38 PM   
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So begging is one of the role play exercises, not something one would expect to have happen in real life?

This question is either megaclueless or snide.  You don't strike me as clueless.

Are you in a bad mood and trying to start an argument?



Is that what a troll does?

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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:37:26 PM   
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Maybe if you rephrase your question, it won't seem so odd.  Are you curious to know why a Dom would enjoy "The art of begging" or what enjoyment do they get from watching their s type beg?


In a play type situation I can see its value however in real life, some may view it in a negative light

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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:37:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

I had it best put to me like this.

A s-types Needs Come FIRST
A D-Types Needs Come SECOND
A D-Types Wants Come THIRD
A s-types Wants Come LAST

Begging has nothing to do with needs, if you have to beg for your needs then you should reevaluate your current position in life.

Steel


So begging is one of the role play exercises, not something one would expect to have happen in real life?


You missed the Point.

NEEDS are things that are MANDATORY for survival. If you have to BEG for a Need then you may want to reevaluate your current position. If you have to Beg for Food Water and Shelter then Yes there is a Problem either you are on extremely hard times or you would rather do that than earn it.

Begging is not Role Play, That would imply that you the begger are only acting like you want something. Begging can be a Humbleing tool used to take the pride and expectations out of a girl and to get her to understand that just because she wants something does not mean she will get it, however if she has to beg for something she NEEDS and I mean NEEDS. Then I am failing in my position of taking complete responsibility for her life.

Role Playing Excersizes are just that excersizes. They are designed to teach someone how things will be and what to expect in a NON critical way. They help to teach someone that before they get into their head that they just get something there may come a time when they do not get it no matter what they say and that is up to the person in charge i.e. the Master.

The Situation you presented with a sub wanting to buy something and being TOLD to beg strikes me as strange and would not be something I would do, that does not mean it isn't done. In that situation the Master is still presenting control by making it a requirement that you BEG before he gives you his decision. In a situation like this you are preforming what some people see as a derogatory or humiliating act (begging) in order to get something you want. You are willing to grovel to get a material item, I can see this being effective for a high maintenance girl but for someone like andi it would serve no purpose.

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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:42:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		although i don't know where the OP was trying to go with this thread (if they are serious or what), i do feel that the issue of begging can be a confusing and unsettling one for some submissives and slaves.

in order to beg and beg sincerely (i.e. not roleplay or simply because you were told to do so), it must be for something that you, the submissive, want/desire. when you beg, you hope that the response from the Dominant will be a positive one...allowing you the thing it is that you desire. so you are focusing on what YOU want, and then hoping that the Dominant will provide it. this is a very uncomfortable mental headspace for many submissives, myself included. begging has been an extremely rare occurence in my relationship for this reason...and the rare times i have begged anything of him, it has usually concerned an exceptionally painful or emotionally traumatic situation directly inflicted by someone other than my Master (my Master has me serve others).

but to beg for something i wish to do? that's a tough one. especially when it's been steadily instilled into your brain by your Master that you are to strive for selflessness, that your life is not about your desires, likes, pleasure, etc.





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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:43:20 PM   
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Maybe if you rephrase your question, it won't seem so odd.  Are you curious to know why a Dom would enjoy "The art of begging" or what enjoyment do they get from watching their s type beg?


In a play type situation I can see its value however in real life, some may view it in a negative light


a negative light... so.... you are more worried about how you would be viewed than about him and what he wants.

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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:45:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Steel explained how I feel very well.  ~waves "Hi" at Steel~

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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:49:21 PM   
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what the hell...?

How can you turn begging into zapping the Doms power?



If I say " Master I wish to by something" and the Master says "beg me" and I do it and he gives in and says yes, have *I* gotten what *I* wanted Did I take away from him the power of decision?



Good heavens, you asked to buy something.  You did not get to buy something when you wanted because Master attached a stipulation or request to it.  He told you to beg him for whatever it was  you wanted. You begged. Master accomplished what he wanted. If you satisfactorily completed what he asked, then he allowed you to buy something.
What makes you think you took the decision away from him by doing what he asked? You were not allowed to go out and buy what  you wanted until you had completed your task. 
Just in case this does not make sense to you, the person in control here, the one with the decision making power is not you.

Honestly, your over-thinking this. 


I maybe over-thinking this

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RE: The Art of begging - 6/30/2009 12:51:02 PM   
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