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slvemike4u -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/7/2009 7:38:30 PM)
And you go on spouting nonsense about what the framers envisioned...while ignoring all evidence presented to you. Continue presenting said framers as in favor of small gov.after it has been demonstrated to you that the outcome of the very Constitutional Crisis you are referring to established the primacy of the Federal Gov. Ignore the facts as much as you like...but do not expect me to sit here and let them go unchallenged. The same 'framers" you are calling on as your inspiration for limited Federal powers wrestled over these decisions in 1787 and in the end came up with a strong Federal Gov.....despite your oft repeated erroneous assumptions and beliefs. As far as knowing what you advocate...i would say taking a hatchet to 95% of the Federal Gov.....including such depts. as Homeland Security,Interior....the IRS and the ATF is sheer lunacy and is clear enough on its face.....This isn't the 1700's a great Nation can not be run by "small local gov"...it is a pipe dream....one you seem to hold dear to your heart.....Enjoy the delusion.

TreasureKY -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/7/2009 7:50:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u And you go on spouting nonsense about what the framers envisioned...while ignoring all evidence presented to you. You're obviously reading something other than what I've posted here. So far I've done nothing but decline to get into a pissing contest over it. Go look for someone else to compare dicks with. [8\|]

slvemike4u -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/7/2009 7:54:47 PM)
Bullshit ...you have repeatedly come back with the same,previously discredited nonsense ,concerning the Framers and what they envisioned. If you don't want to compare dicks....stay out of the mens room....(not meant in a gender way,sort of if you don't want a hair cut....don't hang out at barber shops...sort of thing....so please no flaming over that)

TreasureKY -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/7/2009 8:16:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Bullshit ...you have repeatedly come back with the same,previously discredited nonsense ,concerning the Framers and what they envisioned. If you don't want to compare dicks....stay out of the mens room....(not meant in a gender way,sort of if you don't want a hair cut....don't hang out at barber shops...sort of thing....so please no flaming over that) lol... You're delusional. Let's see... my first comment (the one that got your panties in a knot) was: quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY Not a complete list of what would remain, but essentially national defense, trade, and international relations, not to mention the federal justice system (though I'd cut on that some, too). In essence, you'd end up with a governmental body that basically handles only those things where the States need to be represented as a whole. Kinda like what the founding Fathers had in mind. Then in response to your pointing out that not all the Founding Fathers agreed, I said: quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY You asked my opinion, and I gave it. While I am aware of the disagreements and disparate visions that were held by the individuals involved with forming this country, my comment was an expedient summation regarding the final Constitution that was ratified by the States. (See section 8.) While you might like to emphasize that certain individuals would have liked to have seen a much broader scope of power given to the Federal Government, it really doesn't make any difference. Perhaps the final document didn't go as far as some would have liked, perhaps it went too far for others. In the end, though, compromises were made and agreed upon to reflect the overall desired direction of the group as a whole. Nit-pick and quibble all you like, but it doesn't help your position. My comment stands very well just as it is. Somewhere in there you accused Marc2b and I of being misguided citizens for not mirroring the views of Washington, Hamilton and Adams, so I asked you: quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY So because Marc and I happen to side with the framers who envisioned minimal and limited federal powers, we are somehow misguided? Of course, you never responded to that, but whatever... Anyway... then you decided from my brief comments above that you knew exactly what I thought and what I advocated, so I responded with: quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY Pfft... Sorry, but you really don't know what I advocate as I gave a very vague outline, at best. It was never my intention to go into any depth or detail, and I have no desire to do so now. Wasting my time by entering into a discussion with you on the intricacies of the political climate during the founding of this nation and the struggles between the Federalists and the Democratic-Republican Parties is about the last thing on my "to do" list. Unlike others, I've better things to do than try to show off my knowledge. Then I basically told you to piss off. [;)] So where, exactly, have I "repeatedly come back with the same, previously discredited nonsense ,concerning the Framers and what they envisioned"? The answer is obviously in your own mind.

Marc2b -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/7/2009 8:39:42 PM)
quote: Well Marc when you applaud a post in which another poster has suggested doing away with 95% of the Federal Gov......what would you call it...not to mention her assertion,blatantly wrong, and by inference also applauded by you ,that the "founding Fathers" were of a single mind on this subject......you sort of move yourself to the extreme...whether you realise it or not. I fail to see how applauding one post infers acceptance of what is written in another post. That aside, I also fail to see how the statement: quote: Kinda like what the founding Fathers had in mind. equals a blanket assertion that the Founding Fathers were of one mind. The statement is a generalization. I think you realize that but pretend otherwise because of this strange need of yours to lock your perceived ideological opponents into extreme positions. Advocacy of A does not automatically equal advocacy of B. Advocacy of a smaller federal government with limited powers doesn’t equal advocacy of a weak federal government.

slvemike4u -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/7/2009 8:44:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY First and foremost, get people into federal office who truly believe it needs to. Until that happens... it ain't gonna happen. . well... I'm sorry, but it wouldn't be any one of the items you've listed. Off the top of my head, the measures I would take would include (but not be limited to): Eliminating 95% of all Federal departments, agencies, and bureaus. Top on the list to eliminate would be the Department of Education, the Department of Energy, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and large portions of the Department of the Treasury (particularly the IRS and the ATF), the Department of Labor, the Department of the Interior, the Department of Transportation, and the Department of Homeland Security. Any functions currently handled by these fund-guzzling, bureaucratic monstrosities would be handled at the State level should the overwhelming majority of the citizens of that State wish to continued with them. Overhauling the current compensation programs for Legislative office holders so that pay and benefits are reasonable and in keeping with a conservative idea of public service. Term limits would be imposed and "retirement" salaries eliminated. Participation in and funding of "global efforts" would be closely examined for relevance to the welfare the United States. Memberships and financing that did not support the preservation or moral standing of the United States, or prove to be of direct benefit to the majority of US citizens, would be eliminated. There. These steps alone should balance the budget and reduce taxes. [:D] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It was this post that got my panties in a twist(you do like your gender specific mataphors,don't you). This post in which you advocated taking a hatchet to the Federal gov to the tune of 95%.....you followed that up with another post in which you suggessted that this was the vision of the founding Fathers.....when I drew your attention to the fact that the Founders never held to one monolithic view as to the form of the new Gov....you simply ignored that fact and plowed on....constantly putting forth your veiwpoint as being in line with the "framers" never once ackowledging that the very result of the convulsions those same founders went through is what gave us the strong primary federal gov. you decry Certainly this is a case of ones irrational belief system blinding one to the information presented.Firm speaks of this often...perhaps he can help you get over your stumbling block,it appears nothing I say is actually getting through....

slvemike4u -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/7/2009 8:49:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: Well Marc when you applaud a post in which another poster has suggested doing away with 95% of the Federal Gov......what would you call it...not to mention her assertion,blatantly wrong, and by inference also applauded by you ,that the "founding Fathers" were of a single mind on this subject......you sort of move yourself to the extreme...whether you realise it or not. I fail to see how applauding one post infers acceptance of what is written in another post. That aside, I also fail to see how the statement: quote: Kinda like what the founding Fathers had in mind. equals a blanket assertion that the Founding Fathers were of one mind. The statement is a generalization. I think you realize that but pretend otherwise because of this strange need of yours to lock your perceived ideological opponents into extreme positions. Advocacy of A does not automatically equal advocacy of B. Advocacy of a smaller federal government with limited powers doesn’t equal advocacy of a weak federal government. NoMarc you applauded the post in which she advocated slashing the federal Gov. The statement was not presented as a generalization...it was presented to wrap her anti-federal gov veiwpoints in the flag of the Framers...the very men who struggled ,cajoled and compromised to bequeth to us that strong central gov And again you cheered this on......it was her tag line on the end of the post.her exclamation point that proves she's a real American...who distrusts and would like to do away with most of the Federal Gov. In another thread she likened liberals to hippies wearing rose colored glasses.....care to applaud that sentiment too.

Marc2b -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/7/2009 10:24:29 PM)
quote: NoMarc you applauded the post in which she advocated slashing the federal Gov. Yes I did. That much you have gotten right. quote: The statement was not presented as a generalization...it was presented to wrap her anti-federal gov veiwpoints in the flag of the Framers...the very men who struggled ,cajoled and compromised to bequeth to us that strong central gov A strong central government of limited scope and powers. I really do not understand why the concept is so difficult for you to grasp. quote: And again you cheered this on......it was her tag line on the end of the post. her exclamation point that proves she's a real American No. It was in a separate post. And what exclamation mark? Are we reading the same thread here? quote: ...who distrusts and would like to do away with most of the Federal Gov. You say that like it’s a bad thing. Power should be distrusted. quote: In another thread she likened liberals to hippies wearing rose colored glasses.....care to applaud that sentiment too. Well, since you seem determined to equate agreement with one post as agreement with others… sure, why not.

slvemike4u -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/7/2009 10:35:35 PM)
i'm not really interested in having the same discussion a second time...all you need do is read over the thread and your confusion should be cleared up. And yes doing away with 95% of the Federal Gov....is a bad thing.Unless of course you view life through rose colored glasses.....Is that what you were wearing when you applauded?

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/7/2009 11:41:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Because his policies have done nothing to improve things but committed trillions to do it? LoL Good one. Thanks, I needed a good laugh before bed. [:D] But seriously, if you've read the entire thread and seen the examples and still have that position....there's nothing anyone can do to help you. Ive read the entire thread and if you think there is anything in it that shows improvement as a result of anything BO has done, you are the one that needs help.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/7/2009 11:42:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Because his policies have done nothing to improve things but committed trillions to do it? Really? Trillions? Where are you getting that figure from? the congressional budget office.

Loki45 -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/7/2009 11:57:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Ive read the entire thread and if you think there is anything in it that shows improvement as a result of anything BO has done, you are the one that needs help. And if you seriously believe that, you're not worth my time.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/8/2009 12:18:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loki45 quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Ive read the entire thread and if you think there is anything in it that shows improvement as a result of anything BO has done, you are the one that needs help. And if you seriously believe that, you're not worth my time. youre right..you need to spend your time on a basic education in economics and business, then you can debate with people who already have that understanding, instead of personal attacks.

Loki45 -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/8/2009 12:21:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy youre right..you need to spend your time on a basic education in economics and business, then you can debate with people who already have that understanding, instead of personal attacks. Said the person who sees fit to tell me what I need to be doing with my time. How cute.

rulemylife -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/8/2009 8:28:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Because his policies have done nothing to improve things but committed trillions to do it? Really? Trillions? Where are you getting that figure from? the congressional budget office. Well then, cite those and we will discuss them. But you won't, because you well know that was a ten-year estimate of the deficit and national debt that has proved notoriously inaccurate in the past. If you go back to the CBO's predictions in 2000 you will find that they expected us to be running a surplus right now and a consequent reduction in the national debt.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/8/2009 8:53:36 AM)
quote: If you go back to the CBO's predictions in 2000 you will find that they expected us to be running a surplus right now and a consequent reduction in the national debt. ummm, let's ponder that comment made as an argument... What happened after 2000 that had a major impact on that projection? Never mind - that wouldn't make for a $100 question on elementary school 'JEOPARDY'.

rulemylife -> RE: Biden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/8/2009 9:00:52 AM)
Which is exactly my point. Things don't remain static. A 10 year budget by the Congressional Budget Office sounds really impressive, because after all, it's the Congressional Budget Office, but it might just as well be made by Miss Cleo.

mnottertail -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/8/2009 9:10:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u And you go on spouting nonsense about what the framers envisioned...while ignoring all evidence presented to you. You're obviously reading something other than what I've posted here. So far I've done nothing but decline to get into a pissing contest over it. Go look for someone else to compare dicks with. [8\|] Now darlin', if it be a schlong showdown he's dickin' around with here, I think that right there is a fight he can win, with you. LOL. Ron

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/8/2009 10:23:48 AM)
And now not only a misread, but the funds of the stimulus are not being used for long-term expansion. " The Congressional Budget Office estimates that only 10 percent of the Recovery Act funds have been released so far, with about half of the money expected to be spent by October 2010. That dispersed money is being used to prioritize short-term projects and needs over more ambitious goals, the GAO report states. " http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/08/states-using-stimulus-money-short-term-needs-study-shows/

TreasureKY -> RE: Bidden: We 'Misread the Economy' (7/8/2009 10:33:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Now darlin', if it be a schlong showdown he's dickin' around with here, I think that right there is a fight he can win, with you. lol... I'm not so sure about that. [;)]

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