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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:34:17 AM   
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Please read your original again. No where did you include the comment about not having met.  You specifically aimed your comments at those who are not physically together.  There are also dynamics where people HAVE met, but are primarily online because they are in the process of being together.

The problem that I have with statements like yours is that you want to paint everything with the same brush and because you don't understand these dynamics, they can not be valid to anyone else.

Oh, and when I'm done laughing at the small comment about whether or not My sub and I have had 'bonding' experiences, I'll get back to you.



Please accept my most sincere of appologies at causing such confusion!  Maybe I'll post again when I'm done laughing at your online protocol typing thing you have going on.  Always raises a smile with me.

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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:36:07 AM   
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Please read your original again. No where did you include the comment about not having met.  You specifically aimed your comments at those who are not physically together.  There are also dynamics where people HAVE met, but are primarily online because they are in the process of being together.

The problem that I have with statements like yours is that you want to paint everything with the same brush and because you don't understand these dynamics, they can not be valid to anyone else.

Oh, and when I'm done laughing at the small comment about whether or not My sub and I have had 'bonding' experiences, I'll get back to you.



Please accept my most sincere of appologies at causing such confusion!  Maybe I'll post again when I'm done laughing at your online protocol typing thing you have going on.  Always raises a smile with me.

Glad you enjoy it, dear.  Been doing it for some time.  Mostly because it helps people enjoy their day.


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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:36:34 AM   
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They are fantasists and their 'problems' and nonsense they clutter up forums with is annoying and yes, they should have their own place to post or have a disclaimer!

funny...i feel the same about those who are too closed minded and judgemental to accept the relationships of others.

Guess what? There are quite a few on this site who have started out getting to know each other on-line, then taking the relationship to the physical.

But irreguardless of whether they ever meet, who in the hell do you think you are to judge them?


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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:36:34 AM   
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Oh, and when I'm done laughing at the small comment about whether or not My sub and I have had 'bonding' experiences, I'll get back to you.
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Sometimes one just has to smile and laugh at the small minds that the OP is referring to and the um 'Real' examples in this thread...

An Open-mind is a beautiful thing!...

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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:39:53 AM   
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The answers to most of that lie in the posts I've written, but just to clarify, no, I do not mean those people who have met their partners.  That notion is just silly.  I am refering to those who have never met and probably never will.  And sorry, I do not agree they are 'strong', I think they don't have the cojones to take it to real-life.  They are fantasists and their 'problems' and nonsense they clutter up forums with is annoying and yes, they should have their own place to post or have a disclaimer! lol.. I wasn't entirely serious with that, but I do find it annoying when you try and help and talk through things with someone on forums only to find out she spanks her own arse on the phone/cam every night! :P


The Irony in this is that there are those that have met who are far more delusionary in what their relationship is about and living in a fantasy world that comes crashing down when reality strikes than those that have yet to meet.

btw... I think anyone that hasn't been in relationship for at least 20 years is just role-playing it. Someone that has only been together a few years can't begin to appreciate what it means to be in a relationship of depth... There just role-playing at best ......... faking it at worst.

< Message edited by KnightofMists -- 7/11/2009 7:44:24 AM >


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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:44:20 AM   
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Do whatever you'd like with another consenting adult as long as you aren't breakin' the law.

Don't bullshit yourself into thinking that it's more "meaningful and genuine" than it actually is, and end up wasting years of your life engaged in fantasy to the exclusion of actually living.  I've seen more people than I would care to do just that.

I would say the same thing to you whether your fantasy drug of choice is virtual D/s, or TV, or Cyber-Porn.

An aspect of the BDSM "culture" that I personally have trouble with is the extreme focus on being non-judgemental to the point of condoning lifestyles that are patently self-destructive or unhealthy, or better yet, asserting that those lifestyles are morally "equal" to those that are uplifting and positive.  But, that's just me.


That may be you but it's also making a very broad, generalized judgment that includes online and LDR's as being "self-destructive" and "unhealthy". Not all are negative, many have much to offer people, including support and friendship, among other things.  Plus, unless you happen to know the people intimately and in-depth, how do you know that a relationship is self-destructive or unhealthy? To assume so simply because they're LDR or online might lead to making errors in judgment. Now, if they come to forums and whine and bitch about this and thus, then yes - based on received information, realizing that that person MAY be in a unhealthy relationship is reasonable. Of course, then there's the issue of only receiving one side of the story. *winks*

Each person decides for themselves what is healthy and uplifting. To compare healthy relationships could be like comparing apples and oranges. I know that there are those who had objections to Lumus and myself when they found out about us. Yes, we started out long distance AND online... does that make what we had any less real or meaningful? NO.  It was our start, and we chose to move it forward to living together and getting married. Not everyone has that option, nor, do some even want it. That "aspect" of the BDSM culture that you have personal problems with is the very aspect that gives everyone the freedom to follow their own path - however it may wander or follow. *shrugs and starts humming "Follow the Yellow Brick Road, follow the yellow brick road".....*


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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:44:30 AM   
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The Irony in this is that there are those that have met who are far more delusionary in what their relationship is about and living in a fantasy world that comes crashing down when reality strikes than those that have yet to meet.

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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:51:05 AM   
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When I first saw this post I thought the OP use of prejudice was a bit strong. However as I continue to read through this thread it does appear the OP used the correct word. Prejudice has been revealed.

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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:51:05 AM   
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Oh Lordie...i just checked the KaityK's profile. She is in a vanilla relationship and is seeking a D/s relationship with a married man, then goes on to say she expects to see him evenings and weekends. And she accuses others of being delusional?????

Kaity...let us know how that works for you!!!

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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:52:40 AM   
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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:53:39 AM   
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Oh Lordie...i just checked the op's profile. She is in a vanilla relationship and is seeking a D/s relationship with a married man, then goes on to say she expects to see him evenings and weekends. And she accuses others of being delusional?????

OP...let us know how that works for you!!!



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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:54:45 AM   
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Holly, I believe you are getting the Katey's confused.


Agreed... ... and didn't I just say that some people who meet are more delusionary of their relationships than some than those that haven't....

My Prophetic skills are inspiring... you all should bow to me!!!!!

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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:55:41 AM   
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Holly, I believe you are getting the Katey's confused.


Agreed... ... and didn't I just say that some people who meet are more delusionary of their relationships than some than those that haven't....

My Prophetic skills are inspiring... you all should bow to me!!!!!


You've already got two bowing to you.  Leave some for the other Doms.


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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:55:44 AM   
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One issue that has arisen for me in the last week, which surprised me a great deal, is the stance that some people within the BDSM community take towards
people who may live in separate countries, yet conduct genuine, meaningful D/s relationships. Someone in the community actually made the assertion last week that my Master and i were simply "playing online", that i am not owned, simply because i am not physically wearing His collar. This thread actually makes a great follow-on from the thread "Feeling owned without being collared" that was posted some days ago. It makes me sad and somewhat appalled that some people within our own community judge a book by its cover, so to speak.

i am not a negative person and hate finger-pointing, however, i am interested to find out what others' views are on this issue. If two people are sincere, love eachother and are committed to eachother, have laid the groundwork for a relationship across the board,which transcends a D/s situation, it doesn't mean that they are "playing online" (i think the reason why i find this particular phrase offensive is the connotation of falseness and duplicity that it has) simply because they might live in separate continents. i think it all depends on what is in the heart of the Dom/Master and the sub/slave. Love is love, trust is trust, no matter what continent
one party may live in. A collar is merely a physical symbol made of leather or steel, the spiritual and emotional bond between Master/slave or Dom/sub is what truly matters.

i guess the statement that i was confronted with last week from a Dom, kind of threw me, as we get enough rubbish from those outside the community that don't always understand the dynamic of D/s or M/s relationships and may leap to awful conclusions of pain and non-consensual acts. It saddens me that there is a degree of prejudice WITHIN the BDSM community when we should all show solidarity, empathy and support one another instead of throwing stones at our own "peeps". There's enough hate out there as it is.



DISCLAIMER : This thread is NOT intended to be pugnacious or combative. Apologies to anyone who might find this so.

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ORIGINAL: KaityK
It's a bdsm forum?  So I'd expect anyone in such a relationship or intending to have on to actually DO the related activities.  But I'd say the same thing about anyone saying they had a relationship with someone they hadn't met.  Untill you've kissed, touched, smelt and breathed in that person then you don't KNOW them properly.  Sorry if that doesn't fit in with how people have justified these things in their minds.  It just doesn't have credibility.


Please re-read the OP, KaityK, I've included it above your post. No where does the OP say she's never met her master, only that they live a fair distance from each other. YOU are making an ignorant, biased assumption. Even if they are online at this point, again, no where does she say that they plan on NEVER meeting. Another false assumption.

  Reading ALL of the post can help. If you take the time to actually think rather than spout off biased opinions.


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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:55:51 AM   
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Holly, I believe you are getting the Katey's confused.  It is not the OP who is looking for a married Daddy Dom.  That's the other gal.
oops...you are correct. Gonna change it. Thanks Lady Pact!


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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:57:30 AM   
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You're quite welcome, Holly.  

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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:58:04 AM   
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My Master and I met on an online game nearly three years ago. It took another year until we were able to meet. I had previously had a trainwreck of a r/t M/s relationship, including what I now see as rape and emotional rape and usage. I had thought I would never kneel again and was really really trying to live vanilla. Within days of meeting my Master online I knew, I just knew He was the only one I wanted in any way shape or form. Yes, it took a year until we met due to the huge distance between us. Now we are still separated most of the year until one of us can relocate, but until then we virtually spend all our lives on skype, listening and watching each other. And I can tell you, that year of waiting to meet him was worth MANY MANY MANY times over of the abuse filled horrible traumatic r/t relationship. I felt FAR closer to Him, and when we met it felt exactly the same really, just the physical and emotional levels were more intense.

I have to say I am quite insulted about what you have said about a relationship that defines me as a person and sub. Perhaps I should simply dismiss this as trolling but I really do want to show the other side...

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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:58:14 AM   
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You've already got two bowing to you.  Leave some for the other Doms.



fuckim..... I leave them to bow to beautiful Dominant woman like yourself.

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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 7:59:52 AM   
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You've already got two bowing to you.  Leave some for the other Doms.



fuckim..... I leave them to bow to beautiful Dominant woman like yourself.


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My best to you and yours.


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RE: Prejudice about long-distance D/s - what do you thi... - 7/11/2009 8:00:01 AM   
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Oh Lordie...i just checked the op's profile. She is in a vanilla relationship and is seeking a D/s relationship with a married man, then goes on to say she expects to see him evenings and weekends. And she accuses others of being delusional?????

OP...let us know how that works for you!!!



Hah. I'm not looking anymore (must change that since I found someone!). It's pretty low to bring my profile into the discussion. What bearing does it have? But because I'm in an indulgent mood I will tell you that I have had relationships in the past with such people, married and single but always real-life. And also because of my own situation I deal with prejudice myself because I am not 24/7. I really don't care. Everyone has their opinion and if I am lower in the bdsm hierachy than full time subs then so be it. Like the online players, nothing will change, we're just exchanging opinions on things. I may be quite blunt in my way of speaking but that's just me. x

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