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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 3:13:14 PM

nephandi

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Greetings

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Which brings me to nephandi, although I like her, I have given up reading her posts because of her dyslexia and her English as a second language. Not because she has these difficulties that impact her writing in English in a text only medium but because she believes she does not have to mention this, that instead we should all look up other posters' profiles in case they mention any problem. I don't believe that's my job, I do think it is theirs. I am not a mind reader, and I rarely see the need to check a profile before responding. Quite frankly I don't have the time and I abhor people who expect me to mind read and know there is a problem.

I have never had a real need to inform pepole about where I come from or that I have mild dyslexia. I write stories, I write RPG modules and I am working on a book. I usually have nothing but positive feedback from those I communicate with online, well except idiots in online arguments that at times will play teacher and point out any flaw when they run out of intelligent replies. Basically while there are some spelling and grammar errors in what I writhe, I do consider my English skill to be good enough that warning signs really is not necessary.

And if someone can not look past a few errors here and there to bother with my post without a warning label, then seriously, that is more their problem than mine and they would probably not be the intended audience for my posts anyway.

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 3:38:37 PM

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I find it interesting (sarcasm) that you bitch about grammar and what you choose to represent yourself with on the forums is a cheesy picture of your chest.
Ok, so your pet peeve is grammar and my pet peeve is cheesy pics of a guys chest or butt.
Take a deep breath and move on.

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 3:40:46 PM

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Sum of u r just mean about that spellin and grammer thing!

As for the retarded and such... As most know my son is brain damaged and I fought to get him out of the clutches of the medical professionals because I knew what he needed and they were not doing it. They claimed that he needed to be in an institution, given protocol for brain injury and most likely because of his response to the medication, strapped to a bed for most his life because he hallucinated. But I saw something I knew I could tap into and insisited.

Now when we go about, people think he is retarded. Some stare because he looks so young and yet he looks dim witted. Some will say something. Let me tell you... if you said he was retarded, he would know what you meant and that would put him back many months and even years in his recovery. He now knows the truth or his truth and that is that he is an idiot. Actually I do not see an idiot in any way, but he does. He now knows something is very wrong and he makes mistakes and he isn't the same bright young man... but let me tell you... he is amazing! Emotionally he is a young person... mentally he is older, maybe more toward sixth grade. When he is not lost, he can do math faster than I can. Okay that isn't saying much, but he is a wiz at math and always was. He can spell as well as he did before, but he cannot put the thoughts together at all times to make sense. But he can get that dirty joke or understand jackass or some crude something on tv.

I can play word games with him, twist him around and he can still figure out the joke in what I am saying. He can learn if he can remember, but he can't remember so it might take a year to make toast without a lot of help or six months to cook a frozen pizza.

I know this isn't the same... but my comments are about calling a spade a spade... which I am known for, but only calling a spade a spade when it won't do further damage. Parents or the damaged or less enabled person do need to see the truth, but we can give the truth with a little compassion and without harsh words that push emotional buttons that may set them back from any recovery or advancement they could all be making.

You call my son an idiot and he will know it. He knows he isn't like others and he thinks he is an idiot and is shy and insecure about it. The first person who knows him more than in passing that says something truthful yet crude will get one redheaded mother bear who has worked her ass off in helping him to advance all over their silly ass!

Truth does not have to aid in denial but it can be said without the crude words of those so inclined to speak from their educated or proper place. Those doctors came from the same place and said my son would never be able to do anything he now does. I consider my methods far beyond what the professionals knew best and I have living proof that my way works. Living it with the response I get is my right to be full of pride and anyone who gets in this mother's way, whether they can prove their experience or words correct or not is going to hear a long knowledgeable lecture from me!

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 3:44:03 PM

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Yet another recurring thread that will never go away.

I stopped banging my head against the spelling/grammar wall at least 2 seperate discussions ago.

Sadly, in a text-only medium such as this, spelling, grammar, and punctuation do have an impact. If we were to have this conversation verbally, the difference between "no" and "know" disappears. But when someone writes "I'll bet you didn't no that..." I stop reading and move on to the next post. Does that make me a "grammar snob"? Maybe. Do I care? Hardly. I'm the "victim" of a public education and yet I somehow still know the difference between "their" and "there". I guess I was paying attention in 4th grade. So sue me.

But ya know what really bugs me about this discussion? It's that someone just always has to grab onto the big exceptions. Of course there are people with learning disabilities. And I don't mean a little dislexia here and there. Who hasn't switched a word or letter by mistake? I may be going out on a limb here but I'll bet that >99% of us - the people who read and post here, on CM - are not among any of the severely learning disabled (or whatever the PC term is) groups. And for those of you who are: more power to ya!

I'm going back to grieving the loss of my friend Kevin, who passed away in his sleep overnight. He was able to use the BigKeys.com keyboard for 1 day and that made him very happy.

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 3:45:32 PM

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Those doctors came from the same place and said my son would never be able to do anything he now does. I consider my methods far beyond what the professionals knew best and I have living proof that my way works. Living it with the response I get is my right to be full of pride and anyone who gets in this mother's way, whether they can prove their experience or words correct or not is going to hear a long knowledgeable lecture from me!

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 3:50:52 PM

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When people instant message, spelling, punctuation and grammar should not hold much relavance. It is a quick conversational exchange and for those who don't type, trying to type in perfect english would just take too much time. On these boards, one can quickly tell when something is nothing more than a typographical error. When it comes to email or profiles, however, there really is no excuse for either being full of spelling, grammar or punctuation errors. They are not "instantaneous" thoughts, but something we presume the writer took some time to create. That is the time when checking it should be a priority.

As for the youth of this world taking their speaking and writing clues from music and such....bull. Students are no longer being taught the proper mechanics of writing anymore because we don't want to stifle their "creativity," which is nonsense. Some of the greatest writers of our history were able to be both creative and use proper sentence structure and spelling. Sending out a resume full of those errors is not going to be excused for any reason, the person won't get the job.

As for those with learning disabilities such as dyslexia...I couldn't help but notice that those who admitted to such were able to write clear concise, properly written responses, so obviously it can be done. I applaud all of you who have taken the time and energy to put forth the effort to overcome your disability. I know how difficult it can be. As for nephandi, many years ago, I was a member of this site under a different name and had to skip over your posts because they were so difficult to understand. Your writing ability has improved greatly and you should be proud of yourself for this.

I guess my point is that it is makes a difference WHERE the problems are. To me in emails and profiles, it does say that a person couldn't take the time to correct errors. In instant messages, it is conversational in a sense and would take too long to fix. I have always thought that for the most part, on the boards, most people are trying to quickly convey their thoughts and that is why things go awry sometimes in the posts. I really have gotten to the point where I don't pay that much attention on the boards, unless the post is so bad that I can't understand it. Then again, I have a tendency to do that with "slashy speak" as well.

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 3:55:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

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ORIGINAL: slavekal

But everyone should know that sentences begin with capital letters and end with periods. And anyone over age eight should know real versus not real words.

Gosh your problems I would love to have...because if something like this bothers me...then I obviously have no real worries in my life to be bothered about...and before you comment on my grammar...I know that I lack on grammar and you know what? I don't bloody care about it, particular not online. I am thankfully not from an english speaking country and only currently stuck to live in the UK, that does not mean that I have to strangle myself with "correct grammar stuff on a board like this."

English is my second language as well and it is enough to get me through Uni, therefore I am not bothered to waste my very limited available time I am still having available with studying more the grammar over here...

regarding a comment made from TurboJugend, yes, unfortunately my country germany had a writing-reform and now many of our words look just plain awful. I used to be very good in writing in my own language but I guess at the moment, after not living at home since 5 years, I would write awful even in my own language as I am not familiar with all those damn changes they made...there was obviously another big brainer at work who figured out the unneccessary need to "make things easier." *shakemyhead*

And regarding upper and lower case words...just bear in mind that in some countries, as already mentioned on here it is a multi-national board, such as e.g. Germany, we write certain words with a capital letter within the sentence, therefore we are simply used to do it to certain words and still do it in another language as well. When I was new in the UK I also had to learn that the UK does not put words together as we do it at home, where a friend of mine kept taking words apart from an application I wrote and asked me annoyed "Why do you do this?" Thats simply the fact that other nationalities are brought up with different rules and in regards to putting words together if you would write the word potatosoup in germany it would be one word and not like in the UK and USA potato soup instead.

However, to summarise it up, posts about grammar and spelling etc. bore me to the ground because as I said in the beginning, if this is for you that much a worry how others write on the boards in an open forum...then your life must be incredible easy and you have nothing else to worry about and I would be happy to swap my life with you, as quite frankly, I have too much own action going on in my life and the last thing which I am bothered about are the mistakes other people are doing. As long as they don't affect my personal life, they can do, say and write whatever and in whichever way they want...that's called liberty yanno...

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 4:13:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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Those doctors came from the same place and said my son would never be able to do anything he now does. I consider my methods far beyond what the professionals knew best and I have living proof that my way works. Living it with the response I get is my right to be full of pride and anyone who gets in this mother's way, whether they can prove their experience or words correct or not is going to hear a long knowledgeable lecture from me!

you are an amazing woman and mom!!!!

What she said!

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 4:15:27 PM

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Nephandi, like many ESL folks, your English grammar and writing are way better tnam many Americans.
Scarlet, I use a headless pic because I am really ugly. Honestly, I do not want to be identified by everyone who might happen to come across this site. Sorry if that is irritating to you. And for a foreigner, your English is not bad at all. I was not talking about people who write with an "accent". That is a different and totally understandable thing. I have to say, though, that you are getting a bit personal. This is not about how many problems I have or don't have in my life. If you get right down to it, you could say that eveything we discuss on these boards is trivial when compared to larger issues. The original subject was bad grammar/spelling/writing can sometimes make a person less attractive to another. I, the originator of the thread, am one of those people. Sue me.
Anyone who calls a brain damaged or retarded person an idiot is an idiot. I only use terms like that to describe the willfully stupid, never people who cannot help their circumstances.

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 4:29:44 PM

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Anyone who calls a brain damaged or retarded person an idiot is an idiot. I only use terms like that to describe the willfully stupid, never people who cannot help their circumstances.

SlaveKal...one thing you need to know is Lockits son could not help his circumstances, but he sure had a mom that could. This young man is proof of what can happen with love, determination and a fighting spirit.

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 4:38:37 PM

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Absolutely. I have great admiration for parents who can deal with that stuff. It's more than I could do. Must be exhausting. I think we have strayed far from the original idea now. We are kind of in the "I knew a guy who smoked for ninety years and never got cancer" as proof that smoking does not cause cancer. At the start I was saying that the hottest domme in the world is not as hot to me if her profile says, "i ama dominate woman who have alot of experence i am lookin for a whitemale slave to obay me". I like a woman who can challenge me mentally...not one who is mentally challenged.

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 4:44:08 PM

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Their skills are way stronger than a lot of the "normal" kids out there.

Sorry, but I felt compelled to correct the grammar Nazi... This is NOT a grammatically correct sentence. If one were to be precise, it would have no slang, and would be written:

Their skills are far stronger than many of the "normal" children out there.

Oh, and I guess you missed the part of my post where I mentioned my companion -- that means that I have intimate knowledge of at least 2 individuals with that 'rare' dyslexia issue who are -not- blood related in my own household. I'm no scientist, but it would seem to be less rare than you're giving credit for.

DC

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 4:52:32 PM

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Philosophy, you have met some extreme cases. If you don't know the difference between a thing existing and not existing...right before your eyes, I don't know if anyone or anything can help you.

...you what?

It's one thing to bang on and on about good grammar....but unless you're going to use that grammar to actually make sense it's all a bit futile isn't it?

Now point out to me where it was stated that i can't tell the difference between a thing existing and a thing not existing.

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 4:57:00 PM

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I know that. I wrote it conversationally on purpose. I don't consider that the same as plain bad grammar. It's like the difference between writing an article and a column. In one a sentence fragment is always wrong. In a column, sometimes. But not always. It's a technique used to establish a rhythm. Like this. See?

Maybe there are more of these people than I believe. But I have tested hundreds of people with reading and writing problems, and I have never run across a person who could not recognize, actually see the difference between a capital A and a lower case a. Of the people with IQs that were at least low average, most reading problems were the result of one of two things. Either they had not learned phonics. Or they knew them, but they preferred to guess at unfamiliar words to just get it over with. Applying the rules was apparently just too tedious.

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 5:01:41 PM

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Greetings Lockit

I have never said your son is an idiot. When I use the word retarded I do not mean that pepole with a mental disability is any less worth. It is like with a person that can not walk. I still use the word lame even if lame have become a negatively charged word on the Internet. That is not because I mean that person any disrespect but because sometimes the dictionary definition of a word is quite usable.

Now many pepole with brain damage or various mental retardations can learn amazingly well how to cope with the world. What I said was just that it do not matter whatever or not you can learn someone how to spell perfectly, there are other mental skills than perfect spelling and grammar that I value in someone I am going to have a discussion with. That do not mean that it is not an amazing thing when someone overcomes great difficulty to learn. I have the deepest respect for you and your son.

All my best to you and your son.

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 5:06:28 PM

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I think the main point I was trying to make was that anyone with a challenge that means they are a bit different than the typical person will often have insecurities about that difference. I am one straight shooter and believe me I believe in giving the straight facts in most everything, but I think we need to use a bit of tact, compassion and love in doing so. When dealing with someone with a learning disability or mental or emotional something or other that makes for a challenge in society or those who have been wounded somehow, we need to pay attention. We want to create a situation where they can bloom rather than see the challenge as something offensive to their sensitive nature based on their challenge. We need to think of them and not protocol that can be heartless and ever so efficient... yeah I believe that!

I had two special needs um's and all three were learning disabled and/or hyperactive. The doctors couldn't believe there were three in one family and some of the worst cases they ever saw. Because they saw them as a case and not an individual, their treatment wasn't always effective or even a positive experience. When I took things out of their hands a bit, yet still involved them, they were amazed at how my um's were able to bloom and progress.

I am a big believer in love heals and I don't see inflamitory words that cause emotional damage, even if they are correct are things that need to be used when something gentler can be used. In your clinic's and group meetings with professionals... fine use them, but when talking to those parties involved, including parents, I think we need to rethink many things.

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 5:09:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings Lockit

I have never said your son is an idiot. When I use the word retarded I do not mean that pepole with a mental disability is any less worth. It is like with a person that can not walk. I still use the word lame even if lame have become a negatively charged word on the Internet. That is not because I mean that person any disrespect but because sometimes the dictionary definition of a word is quite usable.

Now many pepole with brain damage or various mental retardations can learn amazingly well how to cope with the world. What I said was just that it do not matter whatever or not you can learn someone how to spell perfectly, there are other mental skills than perfect spelling and grammar that I value in someone I am going to have a discussion with.

All my best to you and your son.

Oh honey I never thought anyone here did! lol He calls himself an idiot, when he last spoke that is. I have seen some amazing things and a lot of them on tv. Where someone who was challenged in some way and yet was amazing in something else they could do. I would rather highlight what they do well than to highlight what they don't do well. I just thought to bring out a few views of how cruel things can be when there are challenges that some may not understand.

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 5:24:30 PM

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FR to nobody in particular.

In Florida, by 1997 they had phased out use of the term "mentally retarded" and for the most part used "developmentally disabled" instead.
Several years later, here in MA they still used "mentally retarded" but in 2006 the accepted term was beginning to be "intellectually disabled".

I love Lockit's story.
Throwing out the rule book of convention can be effective when coupled with determination and love.

I don't hold some one's difficulty with spelling and grammar against them, but I have a dislike for text-speak. It really grates on me.

I do have a special appreciation when someone has a learning difficulty and has trained themselves to use spell check programs and puts effort into what they post.
I have seen a few posters really blossom here and feel very proud of them.

Edit spelling
*blush*

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 5:24:36 PM

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I can't be the only one who gets a little turned off, no matter how sexy someone is, if they write like an eight year old. Some folks even try to use big, fancy words, but they don't bother to look up the spelling (Shakespear, viseral?). How adults don't know the difference between YOUR and YOU'RE is beyond me. And of course there is the old favorite, confusing DOMINATE with DOMINANT. It is kind of amusing to see a profile from a self proclaimed goddess who thinks that alot is one word.

In to.

Their, there and they're.

And of course there's always; think, thank....and the natural follow on....thunk.

I have a fairly good assumption that there are some who think I'm a spelling Nazi...I'm not (and yes, I already know I use ellipsis incorrectly)...I just find it offensive that some have chosen not to read anything other than the TV Guide (in abbreviated form) since age 14, rather...not to take advantage of their own mind.

We were all delivered one...in good working order.

Typo's...all good...everyone makes mistakes in a hurry.

But laziness in communication (type written or spoken) is...offensive.

(My quite humble opinion).

And yes...if a Domme approached me with poor grammar, bad punctuation or horrid spelling....there would need to be cash involved to continue the conversation.

(And to clarify...I wouldn't be the one releasing funds).

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RE: Spelling/Grammar (again?) - 7/18/2009 5:27:49 PM

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I already know I use ellipsis incorrectly

i hope i am not the only one that had to look that up

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