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ORIGINAL: ShadeDiva

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie
Seriously, and all due respect, the only posts which appeared to be judgemental on this thread were yours.

Really? Interesting. What seemed judgemental to you?

Perhaps you misread what I wrote or perhaps I did not type it as clearly as I could have.

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ORIGINAL: ShadeDiva

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ORIGINAL: truesub4u
But like Angelic.... I don't play games... I take my submission seriously... as does Master.. even if he's "playing" with me.

As a literal person - I understand the intent behind the statement. But as a realist I just think geeez lighten up a little - the words toy and play and scene just aren't ALL that judgemental as you seem to be making them into being.

The only people that seem to see them as being "less" or "bad to use" or "a sign of less sincerity or taking their commitment less seriously than a real dom/sub/slave/whathaveyou would" and only see them used as someone implying or saying that they might *not* be serious or sincere or "just as playing a game" ....

... are the ones doing the most judging of those particular words being used than anyone else.

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They aren't "toys"!

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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Sometimes serving my Master is entertaining to me, but mostly it is having my envelope pushed so that i can grow further in my self and in my submission. Those are things i take seriously and do not apply the word "entertaining" to.

Himself and I are exactly the opposite. "Mostly" it's fun and entertaining. I think living together for 9 years, without lots of the fun and entertainment part, we'd have burned out long ago. Having my envelope pushed is rarer and because it's done less often, it's generally much more intense and I have a greater appreciation for it and it's much more productive for our personal growth, but I wouldn't want to have to maintain those levels every day and I don't believe Himself would either. I don't know that I have the physical or the mental capacity to do so. There are times when we maintain extremely high levels of intensity for a week or more and the drop from that is excruciating and very hard to deal with for both of us, so just for the sake of our sanity, those are, generally only done ever two or three months or so. High intensity scenes are perhaps once a month or so. We can both handle it comfortably with no worry about any damage to our respective health, mental or otherwise. I mean any more than it's already been damaged. :) There's also the element of the anticipation.. the dread and fear that comes with 'knowing' Himself has something absolutely wicked and evil planned. He's got something in mind for my birthday and won't tell me what it is, just that it's evil ... and every time I think about it, my stomach hurts.

I can't wait. :)

Celeste

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
To Himself they are 'toys'.. to me, they are weapons of mass instruction. lol

Celeste

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pardon me? i wasn't judging anyone.

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
To Himself they are 'toys'.. to me, they are weapons of mass instruction. lol

Celeste

I just have to ask what ELSE do you call a large plastic paddle with a Pepsi logo on it but "toy?"

Implement is just so sterile.

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie
i reread them. i think sometimes words on a screen can take on a "tone" or mood of their own. i probably just misinterpreted. It started feeling like this was yet another debate on this forum of "I think this way so you're wrong." versus "Oh yeah, well I think THIS way so YOU'RE wrong!" Hopefully it is not that. It seemed there was an interpretation toward those saying we don't often say "play or scene" were somehow claiming riteousness to something, which i honestly don't think is the case.

Anyway, i am tired, and read your post which was filled with humorous comments as something different than what it was.

Thanks for asking. It prompted me to rethink it.

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ORIGINAL: angelic
pardon me? i wasn't judging anyone.

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ORIGINAL: ShadeDiva

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ORIGINAL: truesub4u
But like Angelic.... I don't play games... I take my submission seriously... as does Master.. even if he's "playing" with me.

The only people that seem to see them as being "less" or "bad to use" or "a sign of less sincerity or taking their commitment less seriously than a real dom/sub/slave/whathaveyou would" and only see them used as someone implying or saying that they might *not* be serious or sincere or "just as playing a game" ....

..

Relax already. Lighten up. Have fun. You can do that without taking your commitment to your way of life and partner lightly.


JMO, of course.

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ORIGINAL: ShadeDiva
Those worried that a word judges them or categorizes them seem to be the ones that view those words as being judgemental in one sense or another - rather than the other people using the words.

Ugh. Still not sure that's any better.

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ORIGINAL: angelic
Ownedgirl: i read it the same way...and i'm not that tired.

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ORIGINAL: ShadeDiva

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ORIGINAL: angelic
pardon me? i wasn't judging anyone.

Um. I think you misread what I actually wrote. I said judging the "words used". I said nothing about judging a person. lol

In other words - since I wasn't all that sure that I said that clearly:

Those worried that a word judges them or categorizes them seem to be the ones that view those words as being judgemental in one sense or another - rather than the other people using the words.

Ugh. Still not sure that's any better.

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Implement is just so sterile.

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ORIGINAL: ShadeDiva

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ORIGINAL: angelic
Ownedgirl: i read it the same way...and i'm not that tired.

Then I will repeat my request that I asked of her.

If that is the case, then by all means please explain exactly what was judgemental to you.

Perhaps you misread what I wrote or perhaps I did not type it as clearly as I could have.

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
Amazingly enough, he did find a use for it that I wasn't expecting. To divulge that use, however, would fall under the catagory of TMI. :)

Celeste

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie



Look what you started, true!!! If this turns into another battleground (which i don't think it will), i'm blaming you!!! :)

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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress

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ORIGINAL: ShadeDiva

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ORIGINAL: angelic
Ownedgirl: i read it the same way...and i'm not that tired.

Then I will repeat my request that I asked of her.

If that is the case, then by all means please explain exactly what was judgemental to you.

Perhaps you misread what I wrote or perhaps I did not type it as clearly as I could have.

I saw nothing at all judgemental in what you wrote, ShadeDiva.

Usually perceived judgment when there is none stems from insecurity.