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tazzygirl -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/27/2009 7:13:19 PM)
Exactly Brain. The public needs to respect those who do their jobs. The cops need to respect the people they are there to protect. To me, its a matter of lack of respect. and thats the lesson.

servantforuse -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/27/2009 7:16:50 PM)
I hope that this is a 'learning' moment for President Obama. Maybe he will get the facts before shooting with the lip. He was the one that made this whole situation worse than it was.

maybemaybenot -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/27/2009 7:59:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse I guess it's funny and ok for Mr. Gates to use a racial slur... Gates didn't really say that. It was a spoof on * if * the situation were different.

maybemaybenot -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/27/2009 8:07:10 PM)
And the Great American Race Summit will be Thursday evening at Obama's place. Jimmy, Skippy and Barry will share a few brewski's and sing Kumbaya in canon. http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/20196868/detail.html

kdsub -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/27/2009 10:22:36 PM)
Your ears are a lot better than mine...but unless I am mistaken no one is denying that Gates asked for the ID... in fact doesn't the police report say he did... and that the policeman tried three times to show it?...I think we should all give up trying to assign guilt to either of them until more facts come out...or lacking that wait for the lawsuit. Butch

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/27/2009 10:33:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Your ears are a lot better than mine...but unless I am mistaken no one is denying that Gates asked for the ID... in fact doesn't the police report say he did... and that the policeman tried three times to show it?...I think we should all give up trying to assign guilt to either of them until more facts come out...or lacking that wait for the lawsuit. Butch Or until they get roaring drunk in the Oval Office and wind up brawling on the carpet, along with Obama. All three of 'em, rolling around on the floor, bashing each other over the head with Ming vases, poking each other in the eye and yelling, "Nyuck nyuck - where'd you get that - put that back - oh, yeah?" I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Brain -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/28/2009 1:12:54 PM)
Henry Louis Gates: Déjà Vu All Over Again I’m Skip Gates’s friend, too. That’s probably the only thing I share with President Obama, so when he ended his press conference last Wednesday by answering a question about Gates’s arrest after he was seen trying to get into his own house, my ears perked up. http://fish.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/24/henry-louis-gates-deja-vu-all-over-again/

Brain -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/28/2009 1:34:01 PM)
OpEdNews Original Content at http://www.opednews.com/articles/Whiteous-Indignation-by-Linda-Milazzo-090727-382.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- July 27, 2009 Whiteous Indignation By Linda Milazzo "How cute!" my adults would say when they passed a black baby or a small black child. They'd grin approvingly at the baby and smile their acceptance at the baby's mom. Sometimes they'd extend a hand to brush the baby's cheek to prove their gentility. And then they'd walk a bit further, lean into each other and snark the zinger that angered me then and now, "yeah, they're cute now but wait till they get older." There it was. There it is. The not so subtle prejudice I witnessed in my family that millions of impressionable children witnessed in theirs. I've seen persistent smugness from Gates' arresting officer, Sergeant James Crowley, in his encounters with the press. This supposed expert on racial sensitivity has shown no sensitivity at all. But he does seem pleasantly taken with his fame. And why shouldn't he be? He out-maneuvered the President. He arrested a man for yelling-while-at-home and scored a beer at the White House as reward!

tazzygirl -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/28/2009 1:47:18 PM)
ahem let me restate this HE YELLED WHILE OUT IN PUBLIC... HE FOLLOWED THE COP OUTSIDE TO CONTINUE HIS RANT ahem... now back to the thread quote: Whiteous Indignation By Linda Milazzo "How cute!" my adults would say when they passed a black baby or a small black child. They'd grin approvingly at the baby and smile their acceptance at the baby's mom. Sometimes they'd extend a hand to brush the baby's cheek to prove their gentility. And then they'd walk a bit further, lean into each other and snark the zinger that angered me then and now, "yeah, they're cute now but wait till they get older." There it was. There it is. The not so subtle prejudice I witnessed in my family that millions of impressionable children witnessed in theirs. What does this have to do with this thread? Implying that, perhaps, the Cop was one of those white folks who do that? i perosnally have never said that, nor have i overheard anyone else saying that. but.. i can say things like this are what keep the race issues brewing and brewing. Now what i find strange is that this is a white woman speaking out? on the smugness around her... yet... i dont see any black political figures, writers, ect, saying anything of the sort. post those and i might have to rethink my position. honestly, why do some people wish to stir the pot? could it be for the moment in teh spotlight?

popeye1250 -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/28/2009 2:06:25 PM)
I wonder if Obama's economic advisor Lawrence Summers will be present thur. night? When he was president of Harvard he tried to get rid of Gates for "substandard performance not in keeping with the traditions of Harvard U." WRKO's Howie Carr said today that Gate's courses were "crap!" "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?"

tazzygirl -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/28/2009 2:22:04 PM)
i saw something about Gates being criticized for doing a research on african writings... and hiring an all white staff. he chalked it up to having to use who was available at the time. i thought to myself... wow.

Loric -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/28/2009 4:29:25 PM)
FR some of the comments here reminded Me of a thing that happened to Me a few years ago...now, obviously I'm a white male...with a bit of Cherokee, but that's not the point...I LOOK like a white male and that very much is the point of this whole story. I once owned, as I'm sure perhaps many out there have, an old beat up pickup truck (a 3/4 ton ford)...it happened to be orange, and the junk yard I bought it from had used it to haul out cars that were stuck in "the back 40". In the back window sealed between two panes of glass was a confederate flag...now, the job I had didn't really pay enough for Me to be able to afford the 2000 dollars it was going to cost to get a new rear window in the truck, so I just left it as is. This of course, caused problems while I was driving the vehicle, not because I couldn't see out the window, but rather with law enforcement officers. I made sure that the vehicle was in proper working condition every time I drove it, a holdover from My Army days...(gotta love PMCS) which means that all the lights were working etc. yet I was still pulled over in this truck by the same officer, every day. The officer in question happened to be black, and I cooperated with him at every turn, showing insurance, DL, registration, etc. A friend of Mine happened to be with Me during one of these, for Me, routine stops and asked the officer why we had been pulled over to which the officer replied "I don't like that flag in the window, white folks like you two seem to think that slavery was an ok thing and it wasn't." Now, I dunno...but that sounds pretty racist to Me...and I know that not all black people are like this, but there are quite a few that I've run into in My life...does it bother Me? Not really...because I know that blacks aren't the only ones to have suffered slavery in this country, yeah, they prettied it up and called it indentured servitude, but it was still slavery...only the people holding those contracts weren't obligated to provide for the well being of the contractee...shrugs My point with all this is simple, as My Grandfather once told Me "Learn from the past, don't live in it." Wise words from a wise Man. And if anyone is wondering, no, My Grandfather wasn't what you might call white...he was Sicilian...and suffered quite a bit of ethnic slurs in this country when he first came here in the early 20's including being called a "fucking dago wap". In the words of another, equally wise Man...Stan Lee... " 'Nuff said."

Sanity -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/28/2009 7:57:26 PM)
Hiya Level, I missed seeing you around these parts. Glad to see you're here in time for posting during the football season! Regarding the mess at hand, isn't this funny - it turns out that Professor Gates is half Irish, and is even related to the cop he'll be meeting at the White House over a "brewski". That should make for some interesting conversation! [:D] http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8195564&page=1

FirmhandKY -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/28/2009 8:16:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain "yeah, they're cute now but wait till they get older." I say this about all babies. [8D] Firm

Irishknight -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/28/2009 9:05:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: Brain "yeah, they're cute now but wait till they get older." I say this about all babies. [8D] Firm Me too..... except for the ugly bastards.

rulemylife -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/29/2009 7:50:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Loric Now, I dunno...but that sounds pretty racist to Me...and I know that not all black people are like this, but there are quite a few that I've run into in My life...does it bother Me? Not really...because I know that blacks aren't the only ones to have suffered slavery in this country, yeah, they prettied it up and called it indentured servitude, but it was still slavery...only the people holding those contracts weren't obligated to provide for the well being of the contractee...shrugs My point with all this is simple, as My Grandfather once told Me "Learn from the past, don't live in it." Wise words from a wise Man. And if anyone is wondering, no, My Grandfather wasn't what you might call white...he was Sicilian...and suffered quite a bit of ethnic slurs in this country when he first came here in the early 20's including being called a "fucking dago wap". In the words of another, equally wise Man...Stan Lee... " 'Nuff said." No shit? Your grandfather suffered ethnic slurs? Was he beaten, chained, and hauled to a distant country to be used as a slave? As for your first point, to try to say indentured servitude was equivalent to slavery is a willful disregard of history.

tazzygirl -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/29/2009 8:34:53 AM)
Indentured Servants in colonial America were, for the most part, adult white persons who were bound to labor for a period of years. There were three well-known classes: the free-willers, or redemptioners; those who were enticed to leave their home country out of poverty or who were kidnapped for political or religious reasons; and convicts. The first class represented those who chose to bind themselves to labor for a definite time to pay for their passage to America. The best known of these were Germans, but many English and Scottish men and women came in the same way. The second class, those who came to escape poverty or were forcibly brought to the colonies, was large because of the scarcity of labor in America. Their services were profitably sold to plantation owners or farmers, who indentured them for a period of years. The third class, convicts, were sentenced to deportation and on arrival in America were indentured unless they had personal funds to maintain themselves. Seven years was a common term of such service. The West Indies and Maryland appear to have received the largest number of immigrants of the third class. http://www.answers.com/topic/indentured-servant for some, rule, yes they were

Brain -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/29/2009 11:36:27 AM)
Colin Powell to Skip Gates:“You don’t argue with a police officer” Via Mediaite, something to start the conversational ball rolling at that not-all-awkward White House drink-up on Thursday. http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/28/colin-powell-to-skip-gates-you-don%E2%80%99t-argue-with-a-police-officer/

substobbws -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/29/2009 12:44:32 PM)
How many people are lucky that their ancestors WERE dragged over here? They'd be better off in Africa? Their ancestors were dragged to the country that how many others TRY to get to? I seem to remember reading that bringing slaves straight here wasn't as profitable as going to other places further south, trading them for sugar, bringing the sugar here to trade for fur to take back east, etc. I'm pretty sure more slaves out of Africa were sold to other places. Follow the money. I heard an interesting point the other day. You don't hear people calling themselves African-Canadians. Latino-Canadians. If your butt was born here, I'm pretty sure you're an American. What is someone who actually COMES here from Africa supposed to call themselves?

willbeurdaddy -> RE: The arrest of Henry Louis Gates: How far have we really come? (7/29/2009 5:18:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: substobbws I heard an interesting point the other day. You don't hear people calling themselves African-Canadians. Latino-Canadians. If your butt was born here, I'm pretty sure you're an American. What is someone who actually COMES here from Africa supposed to call themselves? Thats because they are embarassed to be Canadian, not because they dont identify with their African or Latino roots. (Yes, Arpig, it was a joke).

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