CreativeDominant
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How many people actually know what the definiton of a hard limit is?
I see so many people posting simple things like knife play as hard limits. By definition a hard limit is something that will mentally, emotionally, or physically damage the person beyond my ability to heal. Running a knife along the skin is not going to do that for the majority of the population.
Collarme should define the definiton of limits on top of other things.
Zack
Actually, the definition I've seen of "hard limits" are anything that the submissive/dominant feels might be harmful mentally or physically or emotionally OR which goes against their own moral code or in which the receiver does not have the trust within themselves to allow another person to do this or it can be as simple as "I don't like this...for whatever reason...and I won't do it.
For many people, while there may not be a physical injury of any nature from running a knife against the skin, the abject fear that arises from being bound with a sharp knife in the hands of someone who is unbound and in control of not just the knife but the situation is enough fear mentally and emotionally to shut them down...therefore, they have placed knife play as a hard limit.
I totally see the point you are making here and it's a good one. However, knife play does not automatically include somebody being bound and at the mercy of somebody unbound either. However, this is a good example of a mental image that can be conjured up a persons imagination that they hold onto with a great amount of reverence of fear.
a lot can be said for something called Trust in this example you have given as well. Trust that the person holding the knife won't cut them up for real. Then again, some of this stuff can be played upon for a good mindfuck as well.
Clearly any activity where fear is involved once it's experienced will be or become a mental mind altering experience. Some people will face their own fears and then grow from it. Other people will freak out and have a panic attack over it. None the less, if you are doing this with somebody you TRUST, you should be able to realize that No Real Harm is gonna come to you.
Some people piss themselves at the thoughts of getting on Roller Costers or Ferris Wheels because of fear of heights and stuff. Even if they do take the ride, and no harm come to them, they are physically sick and in a bad place of mind after the experience. Now, some people will convince themselves with or without the help of somebody else to face their fears. Some people can get past their fears, other people remain grid locked by certain fears for their whole life.
Exactly. I am of the mindset that we are all going to die one day. Surprise. However...I know there are ways of dying that I don't fear and ways of dying that I do fear tremendously. Dying in a fire, dying by drowning, dying in a nursing home while the mind I treasure devolves and I no longer control my body, my body does what it wants to do...these deaths I fear.
Those are extreme and abstract ideas of fear though. And in discussing the idea of fear, let's not forget that fear need not be the only reason something is not done.
I have absolutely zero interest in scat-play. I don't fear it. It does disgust and repulse me...the smell, the sight, the fetishism and elevation of something that is nothing but waste material...and not just waste but smelly and disease-causing waste at that. Mentally, I see it as not humiliation but degradation and my own moral code, while allowing for humiliation, does not allow for degradation. BUT...that's my limit to deal with. Someone else may not have that limit. Many more than me may not have that limit. Does that make it wrong for me to make it a limit? No, it does not. Does the fact that my defecating on someone is not likely to cause me harm and, if they request it, will not cause them harm make it less of a limit for me? No. I get to decide whether or not I will not do something whether or not it is physically or mentally or emotionally or spiritually harmful just because I don't want to and have valid reasons for not wanting to. As to the validity of my reasons...well, that is another whole thread.
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