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RE: If God is Insane and/or Evil, Should We Still Worsh... - 8/26/2009 10:35:50 PM   
rightwinghippie


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Hey pirate assclown....(LOL?)

I am either spanking your wife for you, as we discussed or linking the Define God thread(it is 30 + pages long - should be cake to find.)


God is a stupid concept. That really is all there is to it. It is not complicated.


Wow insults and a link. What a massive intellect I am facing.

What kind of lame insult is Pirate assclown anyway? I am not even offended. Some fool calls me a Pirate assclown and says God is stupid. Whatever....

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RE: If God is Insane and/or Evil, Should We Still Worsh... - 8/26/2009 10:59:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		The arrogance of humanity...

To even attempt to apply the concepts of "good" and "evil" to a being that is so far beyond those infantile terms is truly mind boggling.  Perhaps someday people will stop trying to categorize the creator and simply accept what was given.  The only gifts we recieved were this world, the life in it and on it, and the potential to perhaps understand the smallest bit of the universe that was created. 

As soon as we get past trying to bring that creator down to our level (the main reason I apply the word arrogance), perhaps we will begin to understand some of the higher mysteries that are.

BTW:  Doesn't matter if you worship him or not, love him or hate him, or deny his existence outright.  He was around long before the rock we live on was formed, and will be around long after this rock is reduced to the random atoms it sprang from.

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RE: If God is Insane and/or Evil, Should We Still Worsh... - 8/26/2009 11:20:41 PM   
Monkeyontuesday


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Status: offline 		Wow... Seems everyone else has been called juvenile names but me. I'm not sure whether to feel left out or relieved... 

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RE: If God is Insane and/or Evil, Should We Still Worsh... - 8/27/2009 4:08:57 AM   
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Wow... Seems everyone else has been called juvenile names but me. I'm not sure whether to feel left out or relieved... ORIGINAL: Monkeyontuesday



Well, I wouldn't want you to feel left out Monk. Would it help if I called you a poopy head with cooties? :grin:


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RE: If God is Insane and/or Evil, Should We Still Worsh... - 8/27/2009 8:22:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Esinn
Freewill is the ignorant christians invented to give a god a trump card to the violence of its creation.

No. Free will is necessary for the universe to be more than a deterministic clockwork running down. Free will is necessary to more easily achieve an objective. Imagine someone without free will walking in the streets of a rectangular grid city and allowed to make only left turns. His objective is in the first street right. To reach this objective he has to make five left turns and walk quite a distance. If he had free will, he would only have to make one right turn and walk only a fraction of the distance.

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ORIGINAL: Esinn
This god is either::
A) A prick
B) Powerless
C) Evil
D) Non-existent

D applies to the Divine. A & C apply to various of the incarnate gods and their avatars. As for B, I quote Friedrich Schiller: "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain".

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There simply are no other options.

I assume you meant to say that there are no other options that you can think of?


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RE: If God is Insane and/or Evil, Should We Still Worsh... - 8/27/2009 11:45:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales
Well, I wouldn't want you to feel left out Monk. Would it help if I called you a poopy head with cooties? :grin:


LOL! I feel so much better now ;)

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RE: If God is Insane and/or Evil, Should We Still Worsh... - 9/2/2009 9:44:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		dude all religion has fought wars in the name of god. so don't comdemned Islam because of jihad.





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ORIGINAL: lonewolfdarider

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ORIGINAL: DanaYielding

Then Allah will judge my deeds, and since i do not consider myself an enemy of Islam for i have not worshipped a deity contrary then i shall walk the narrow bridge over hell onto paradise



Allah is all mercaful and poweraful. I do believe in the Islamic faith. I am a muslim and has the faith that I will be in Allah's good gracres once I pass from this world. just know as long as you are a good human being Allah will never disown one of his children.


Allah is stupider than Thoth.  However, Thoth did not justify Jihads.

+1 Thoth
-1 Allah

The battle of invisible conceptual beings moves on.


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RE: If God is Insane and/or Evil, Should We Still Worsh... - 9/2/2009 1:18:16 PM   
knees2you


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It,s been a pleasure. Ant

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RE: If God is Insane and/or Evil, Should We Still Worsh... - 9/2/2009 8:35:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Whew.  Lucky for us you restricted it to Judeo-Christian religions where we are allowed free will, instead of Islam where we are commanded to submit to God. 

It would be nice to understand why people who aren't Christians so often presume to tell those who are about the beliefs of Christians. 


I'm going back several pages for this one, but I think this brilliance needs to be mentioned yet again.  Why DO so many people do this?  And I've noticed that in 90% of the cases they do this, they either get the beliefs entirely wrong, or what usually happens is that the beliefs if a tiny minority of Christians get pasted onto the beliefs of all Christians.  I believe that is what we call a "stereotype." 

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RE: If God is Insane and/or Evil, Should We Still Worsh... - 9/2/2009 9:15:13 PM   
Gwynvyd


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Status: offline 		People who follow Islam do believe in free will if they are actually following the lessons in Islam and not some poorly educated Mullah's fucked up reasoning of it.
http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996015716&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE
Just as Judaism and Christianity believe in free will, Islam rounding out the trifecta of Abrahamic beliefs also believes in free will.
We were given free will (regardless of what religion we are or if we have none) We chose what to do with it. For good or ill it is our choice. We have to suffer the consequences if we do evil. If we do good then we reap the benefits. Other peoples free will ( Like driving while intoxicated) can fuck up our day. But that was the action of free will of the bastage that pulled a DUI. Not God being an asshole and fucking up your day.
Silly humans blame God for things we each do. That is fucked up. People need to realize that if they do a thing there will be consequences. If someone does something it may affect you. God is not sitting up there with a magnifying glass on our ant farm down here.
We aren’t that important frankly. We can bumble and fuck things up for ourselves just fine.


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RE: If God is Insane and/or Evil, Should We Still Worsh... - 9/4/2009 9:45:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NapTown
dude all religion has fought wars in the name of god.


Really? That's quite a claim, please support it by naming at least one holy war that each religion has fought. I'm particularly eager to hear what war Jainism (a religion of complete nonviolence) has fought.

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RE: If God is Insane and/or Evil, Should We Still Worsh... - 9/4/2009 10:31:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GoDolphins
I'm going back several pages for this one, but I think this brilliance needs to be mentioned yet again.  Why DO so many people do this?  And I've noticed that in 90% of the cases they do this, they either get the beliefs entirely wrong, or what usually happens is that the beliefs if a tiny minority of Christians get pasted onto the beliefs of all Christians.  I believe that is what we call a "stereotype." 


I've noticed that in 90% of the cases statistics are made up on the spot. I can't answer for why other people talk about the beliefs of Christians. But, I can point of that when I've been told that I'm entirely wrong, I've been quoting the bible and the amount of extra-biblical mental gymnastics involved in explaining why I was wrong were worthy of the Olympics. As for why a given set of beliefs only apply to a minority of Christians, it's because you guys have 33,820 denominations (at least as of 2000). Out of all those beliefs I mostly talk about the Catholics because they are the majority and the Fundies because of the movement to turn America into a theocracy.

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RE: If God is Insane and/or Evil, Should We Still Worsh... - 9/4/2009 11:29:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: NapTown
dude all religion has fought wars in the name of god.


Really? That's quite a claim, please support it by naming at least one holy war that each religion has fought. I'm particularly eager to hear what war Jainism (a religion of complete nonviolence) has fought.


Well it doesn't say which wars, but the bottom of your link does say....

The Jain concept of ahimsa is characterized by several aspects. It does not make any exception for ritual sacrificers and professional warrior-hunters. Killing of animals for food is absolutely ruled out.[61] Jains also make considerable efforts not to injure plants in everyday life as far as possible. Though they admit that plants must be destroyed for the sake of food, they accept such violence only inasmuch as it is indispensable for human survival, and there are special instructions for preventing unnecessary violence against plants.[62] Jains go out of their way so as not to hurt even small insects and other minuscule animals.[63] For example, Jains often do not go out at night, when they are more likely to step upon an insect. In their view, injury caused by carelessness is like injury caused by deliberate action.[64] Eating honey is strictly outlawed, as it would amount to violence against the bees.[65] Some Jains abstain from farming because it inevitably entails unintentional killing or injuring of many small animals, such as worms and insects,[66] but agriculture is not forbidden in general and there are Jain farmers.[67]. Additionally, because they consider harsh words to be a form of violence, they often keep a cloth to ritually cover their mouth, as a reminder not to allow violence in their speech.
In contrast, Jains agree with Hindus that violence in self-defense can be justified,[68] and they agree that a soldier who kills enemies in combat is performing a legitimate duty.[69] Jain communities accepted the use of military power for their defense, and there were Jain monarchs, military commanders, and soldiers.[70]

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RE: If God is Insane and/or Evil, Should We Still Worsh... - 9/4/2009 7:06:22 PM   
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In contrast, Jains agree with Hindus that violence in self-defense can be justified,[68] and they agree that a soldier who kills enemies in combat is performing a legitimate duty.[69] Jain communities accepted the use of military power for their defense, and there were Jain monarchs, military commanders, and soldiers.[70]


That's a good point, I should be more clear. I'm asking, if a war has been fought for Jainism not despite Jainism. Has Jainism "fought wars in the name of god"? Saying that all religions have fought wars in the name of god is a huge assertion to make without providing any evidence. I'm immediately skeptical for a couple of reasons. One, not every religion believes in a god. Two, I'm under the impression that not every religion is as prone to jihad as Islam or has even fought a single jihad, the Amish are another example of my point.


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RE: If God is Insane and/or Evil, Should We Still Worsh... - 9/4/2009 7:32:34 PM   
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In contrast, Jains agree with Hindus that violence in self-defense can be justified,[68] and they agree that a soldier who kills enemies in combat is performing a legitimate duty.[69] Jain communities accepted the use of military power for their defense, and there were Jain monarchs, military commanders, and soldiers.[70]


That's a good point, I should be more clear. I'm asking, if a war has been fought for Jainism not despite Jainism. Has Jainism "fought wars in the name of god"? Saying that all religions have fought wars in the name of god is a huge assertion to make without providing any evidence. I'm immediately skeptical for a couple of reasons. One, not every religion believes in a god. Two, I'm under the impression that not every religion is as prone to jihad as Islam or has even fought a single jihad, the Amish are another example of my point.




Pardon me, but the idea that every religion has had holy wars and such is a fallacy and you don't have to look at Jainism. Let me say two words..."The Amish"

In fact, I think the term "Amish Jhiad" has never been uttered.


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RE: If God is Insane and/or Evil, Should We Still Worsh... - 9/4/2009 8:56:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

the Amish are another example of my point.


Pardon me, but... Let me say two words... "The Amish"

Well hey, and also, don't forget the Amish.



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