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litaTshai -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 7:37:07 AM)

greetings to the Masters, Mistresses and slaves here.

i post with Mistress's permission and thank All for the opportunity.

first off i wish to leave a greeting and a big hug to Master Iron Bear of House Iron Bear, Whom i haven't seen in ages! *blowing sweet slave kisses, two-fingered Gorean style*. i'd like to send a hug for Neets as well, and greetings to Both of You from my Mistress.

secondly, i wish to address this topic from the vantage point of years of experience as a legal secretary and related fields. which has, i grant you, made me cynical.

in addition to the dozen or so perfectly valid reasons posted on this thread for not displaying pictures on their profiles, there is another one. a big one, and one that has been totally ignored here.

unfortunately, in this day and age, predators in all flavors abound. they appear to abound even more so on the internet, which tends to offer them a certain degree of anonymity not available in real life.

these predators go to the various web sites and look at pictures and profiles that ring the chimes of their particular preferences in victims, and make contact.

not having pictures, and having cautious, general profiles, with not too specific information, helps make a person less likely to be selected for torture and/or death.

for example, i spoke with a girlfriend last week who monitors her young son's e-mails and internet activity. she discovered a message from the daughter of a friend of hers, to her son. so to check, she created a fake name and contacted the girl on whatever IM it was they were using. she pretended to be a boy in the girl's age range, and got a picture, a phone number, and so on in 5 minutes. she asked the girl if they could meet and hang out in a nearby park. the girl asked if "she" were "one of those rapists", and when assured not, was willing to meet any time. this occurred during the week when a 13 year old girl on this very street in this tiny town had run away and the papers were full of the story, and the fears that the worst had happened. my friend of course contacted her friend and appraised her of her daughter's need for more safety cautioning.

now you may think, "well, these are just kid who are too young to understand or know any better". however, the facts are that many adults are hardly less discriminating. and yes i'm revealing my age as i grew up in a time when discriminating was a good word and folks were taught to be discriminating and careful of whom they met and what they said and did.

as for myself, it was years after i acquired a computer before i was able to have and operate a digital camera. nor did i have anyone else close to me who had one or the skills to oeprate it either.

in my own case, yes, i do use a picture in my profile. however that is because i am old, and that picture drives off a large portion of the would-be predators all by itself. and yes there are kinds of predators who seek out the elderly. however let's just say i have other ways to discourage those.

so, i am also very cautious and slow in getting to know people. i don't reveal myself quickly. i figure taking time pays off in the long run, as time allows any problem areas in a friendship or relationship to surface. it would tak a long time of relating to someone on-line before i would agree to meet face to face, and the precautions required might be daunting to some. i refuse to apologize for that, as having practiced that, i am still alive and unmaimed.

now, if you feel that the fact that i don't lay out a photo gallery and lay bare my very soul before i even meet you or have any idea who you are makes me not worth your time, then so be it. you probably aren't worth mine either.

respectfully submitted,

lita {Tshai}
Tshai's First Girl




orfunboi -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 7:54:08 AM)

You make some very good points, but as someone posted, they do have a right to their prefrences, just like we have a right to consider them shallow. i was chatting with a co-worker and he was going on about this girl he talks to from another office. He was saying how nice she was and how he thought she would make a wonderful girlfriend. He thought it was just too bad that she wasn't that pretty, cause what would his freinds think if they saw him with her. Now he certainly has the right to chose a girlfriend on how pretty his friends think she is, or how he will look holding hands with her, just like i have the right to think he is a jerk. Maybe one day he will grow up and find out there are more importand things to look for in a women than her dress size, but that is his problem, not mine. i should also point out, he spent most of the day, bitching cause he was single, and wasn't real happy when i suggested that the ladies would probibly find him more attractive if he worked out or something to build his body.




Aileen68 -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 8:12:46 AM)

quote:

No picture? Is this a Warning for Some?

Was just looking at a profile without a picture and
was wondering,
does this send a Warning sign up right away?

I know I like to see who I'm writting to.

Some Masters/Mistress/Switches like to wait before
sending You Their pic, but for me
I like to see who it is before hand.
Even if it is not their real pic,
I like for them to know that I have a pic and expect the same
up front.


It's not a warning sign for me.
I completely understand why some don't have a picture in their profile.
Keep in mind though, that this is a bdsm personals site for the most part.
Yes, there are a lot here who are in relationships or not looking.
But there are a lot who are searching.
It's these people that I feel should be more than ready to send a pic in their email to someone they may be interested in.
I'm not on the Dating Game with a wall blocking my view. I want to see who it is contacting me.
I may be shallow, but I have to have some physical attraction to someone in order for a relationship to follow.
If that's there then I'm able to proceed to the next level to see if there are the other important personality connections that are just as neccessary.


edited to add that I absolutely love your avatar orfunboi




MDJour -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 8:36:23 AM)

No pic equals a red flag to me as well. I've had been countless emails from those without a picture, that just ramble on in a mind numbing waste of time.
And those who claim to want anonymity due to their vanilla job, perhaps should rethink their priorities. And true sometimes a picture doesn't do the person justice, but that's ok. No harm done right? I just get irrated when the photo is obviously years out of date. So dissappointing....
Better Spanking in the South,
Mistress V.




orfunboi -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 8:45:14 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MDJour

And those who claim to want anonymity due to their vanilla job, perhaps should rethink their priorities.


i would say anyone who thinks posting a pic on collarme is more important than their job, needs to rethink their priorities....unless of course you plan on supporting them.




angelic -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 8:46:15 AM)

i post a picture, and try to make sure it (they) are current (within 3 months). i do not have a high profile job, just a lowly paralegal (LOL); however, it is possible for someone i work with to come across my pictures here. If i am ever questioned about it, i will simply say 'oh, and what were you doing there'? i figure that might hush them up. [;)]




Lordandmaster -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 8:57:41 AM)

Funny how many paralegals are submissive. Though nurses still make up (in my experience) the No. 1 submissive profession in the universe, paralegals must be close behind.

quote:

ORIGINAL: angelic

i do not have a high profile job, just a lowly paralegal (LOL)





Real0ne -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 10:50:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Funny how many paralegals are submissive. Though nurses still make up (in my experience) the No. 1 submissive profession in the universe, paralegals must be close behind.

quote:

ORIGINAL: angelic

i do not have a high profile job, just a lowly paralegal (LOL)




yeh thats not surprising, doctors and attorneys think they are god




AAkasha -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 10:50:39 AM)


For women, posting a picture means you will get dozens more 'wanker' emails who are more interested in the photo than the profile or anything else behind it.

Personally, I can't post pictures because I have a couple of stalkers and weirdos, but that's related to having a web site for a long time.

I give pictures to people I know and trust or plan to meet. If I were single and on here looking, I'd give a photo to someone in private email but not post it on a personal.

Akasha




angelic -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 10:53:32 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha


For women, posting a picture means you will get dozens more 'wanker' emails who are more interested in the photo than the profile or anything else behind it.

Personally, I can't post pictures because I have a couple of stalkers and weirdos, but that's related to having a web site for a long time.

I give pictures to people I know and trust or plan to meet. If I were single and on here looking, I'd give a photo to someone in private email but not post it on a personal.

Akasha


of course those of us that have pics get 'wanker' e-mails. For those very special folks there is a block e-mail... works for me!




knees2you -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 7:30:23 PM)


quote:


ORIGINAL: MDJour

And those who claim to want anonymity due to their vanilla job, perhaps should rethink their priorities.



quote:

i would say anyone who thinks posting a pic on collarme is more important than their job, needs to rethink their priorities....unless of course you plan on supporting them.


I Believe that having a Job is Important, Yes...
If it gets in Your way, then Maybe You shouldn't be involved in this LifeStyle?

Nothing wrong in keeping this a Secret, as long as it
Doesn't Hurt anyone?

Sincerely, Ant[;)]





sharainks -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 7:42:42 PM)

In my line of work I wouldn't dare post a pic on a site like this. Quite literally all it would take is one person where I work seeing it to get me fired.

To me, more often than not people who post their pic tells me they feel they have nothing to lose by being public. So the reverse is true for me. I tend to stay away from writing to people who have profiles WITH pics.




stonefemmie -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 8:02:54 PM)

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Prunesquallor

Are we not allowed to have preferences?




Prunesquallor, almost everyone has preferences. However, that is no reason for discounting/demeaning someone who is not within your personal preference range.

Let me state my case again:

" You see, there is a judgement call in that sentence. If there is no weight listed, then he assumes the worst: fat being the worst.

If his preferences are along another line, then i'm glad for him. But there's no reason for anyone to be downgraded just because they aren't the epitome of someone else's idea of desire".


It isn't the preference for thin/skinny womyn that is the case here........it is the downgrading of the womyn who is NOT thin/skinny, e.g. not within his personal preference, that is the point.

Have as many preferences as you feel you like. Just don't put any womyn down because she is not within your range. There ARE those who don't care for thin/skinny, as much as that may not make any sense to those who do........


With Thought,

stonefemmie...

.




TexasMaam -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 8:49:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: IrishMist

quote:

No picture? Is this a Warning for Some?

Was just looking at a profile without a picture and
was wondering,
does this send a Warning sign up right away?

I know I like to see who I'm writting to.

Some Masters/Mistress/Switches like to wait before
sending You Their pic, but for me
I like to see who it is before hand.
Even if it is not their real pic,
I like for them to know that I have a pic and expect the same
up front.


Not for me it doesn't. I used to have my picture on my profile, but took it down because of the assinine comments I was getting. I figure if someone wants to know what I look like, they are more than welcome to ask. Since I don't post mine, how can I possibly come down on someone else who does not have one posted?

Everyone is different. If you want to look at profiles that ONLY have a picture listed, that's ok. That's your perrogative. But it does not necessarily mean that the ones without pictures are red flags.



I did the same thing. I started here with a pic, and got so many vulgar, assinine emails that I quickly took it down. My pic wasn't even provocative, I was wearing a workshirt, for crying out loud!

Without the pic, the filthy emails stopped.

As for lack of a pic being a red flag, I'd like to point out that several of the profiles with pics that I've contacted have been bogus profiles altogether. Bait profiles.

I review a profile and am more interested in content, context and intent than I am a pic. Probably because I'd much rather have a sincere and devoted not-so-body-beautiful sub than I would a handsome jackass wannabe-sub!

A man's appearance grows on Me as his behavior endears himself to Me.

Funny how that happens, isn't it?

Texas Maam






TexasMaam -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 9:00:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: knees2you


quote:


[size=]ORIGINAL: MDJour

And those who claim to want anonymity due to their vanilla job, perhaps should rethink their priorities
.



quote:

i would say anyone who thinks posting a pic on collarme is more important than their job, needs to rethink their priorities....unless of course you plan on supporting them.


I Believe that having a Job is Important, Yes...
If it gets in Your way, then Maybe You shouldn't be involved in this LifeStyle?

Nothing wrong in keeping this a Secret, as long as it
Doesn't Hurt anyone?

Sincerely, Ant[;)]




Sorry, Ant, but I've been in a position where being 'out' about this lifestyle has cost Me dearly with regard to business opportunities and professional perception.

If you ever lose a job or a dream that meant a great deal to you because of this lifestlye, come back here and post about this topic again. You'll see things differently.

We all can't ALL work in Chop shops or XXX rated video stores. Some of us want to make a better living or pursue dreams or personal goals that simply aren't condusive to BDSM flambouyancy!

I keep a very low BDSM profile. I won't allow my BDSM activities to jeopardize My financial and social future. I also have no intention of giving up the lifestyle.

What goes on behind My closed doors is My business, and no one else's.

That doesn't make me "less of a lifestyler" or "chicken", that makes Me just plain smart.

Texas Maam




TexasMaam -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 9:04:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: orfunboi

You make some very good points, but as someone posted, they do have a right to their prefrences, just like we have a right to consider them shallow. i was chatting with a co-worker and he was going on about this girl he talks to from another office. He was saying how nice she was and how he thought she would make a wonderful girlfriend. He thought it was just too bad that she wasn't that pretty, cause what would his freinds think if they saw him with her. Now he certainly has the right to chose a girlfriend on how pretty his friends think she is, or how he will look holding hands with her, just like i have the right to think he is a jerk. Maybe one day he will grow up and find out there are more importand things to look for in a women than her dress size, but that is his problem, not mine. i should also point out, he spent most of the day, bitching cause he was single, and wasn't real happy when i suggested that the ladies would probibly find him more attractive if he worked out or something to build his body.


Sure, everyone has a right to their preferences. Any sub who won't contact Me because I don't have a pic up on this site isn't the kind of fellow I want for a submissive, anyway, so THANK GOD FOR PREFERENCES!!!

Texas Maam[:D]




NeedToUseYou -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 9:20:16 PM)


quote:


If you ever lose a job or a dream that meant a great deal to you because of this lifestlye, come back here and post about this topic again. You'll see things differently.

We all can't ALL work in Chop shops or XXX rated video stores. Some of us want to make a better living or pursue dreams or personal goals that simply aren't condusive to BDSM flambouyancy!


I didn't realize I worked in a Chop shop or XXX rated video store. Might be fun but don't and the few occupations I know some of the posters with pics have don't either. Hmmmm, reminds of the Worst statement in regards to weight earlier. LOL.

Off, to find a porno distributor since I have to change my business now. [:D]




michaelGA -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 9:27:58 PM)

i guess i'll never know the answers to my questions...




Real0ne -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 10:11:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TexasMaam


quote:

ORIGINAL: IrishMist

quote:

No picture? Is this a Warning for Some?

Was just looking at a profile without a picture and
was wondering,
does this send a Warning sign up right away?

I know I like to see who I'm writting to.

Some Masters/Mistress/Switches like to wait before
sending You Their pic, but for me
I like to see who it is before hand.
Even if it is not their real pic,
I like for them to know that I have a pic and expect the same
up front.


Not for me it doesn't. I used to have my picture on my profile, but took it down because of the assinine comments I was getting. I figure if someone wants to know what I look like, they are more than welcome to ask. Since I don't post mine, how can I possibly come down on someone else who does not have one posted?

Everyone is different. If you want to look at profiles that ONLY have a picture listed, that's ok. That's your perrogative. But it does not necessarily mean that the ones without pictures are red flags.



I did the same thing. I started here with a pic, and got so many vulgar, assinine emails that I quickly took it down. My pic wasn't even provocative, I was wearing a workshirt, for crying out loud!

Without the pic, the filthy emails stopped.

Texas Maam


i ditto everything you have said these posts TM.

when i had a prof and pic up i got dommes who could not tell me one line of what was in it.

if i said i had or could do something even if that was the only area we were compatible in they would still write to me only to try and fake the rest or it would be just so obvious that was the only reason they wrote to me.. that and the things people read into it or out of it amazed me.

So i took it all down. seems to me its much nicer to let out info bit by bit in a conversation so i can feel my way through it and determine more than just the text version can say. more natural way to meet than looking at a spec sheet.







MistressSassy66 -> RE: No picture is this a Warning for Some? (2/25/2006 10:14:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sharainks

To me, more often than not people who post their pic tells me they feel they have nothing to lose by being public. So the reverse is true for me. I tend to stay away from writing to people who have profiles WITH pics.



Heres a thought....Maybe they dont have anything to hide from anyone.Maybe they dont care who sees them because they are proud of who they are,I LOVE ME and wouldnt dream of hiding it.
I have lots of pics(though CM is very strict on content) I want to represent what My dungeon space has to offer,What I have to offer I cant do that without putting up some pics.Well I could just tell about it but it wouldnt be the same as seeing it

As far as a job...I'm a Assistant Librarian,in My town.Do people know what I do YUP... do they care NOPE...Why? Because what I do in MY house is MY business...Same for them.

I understand not everyone can be open...For those people I hope that someday it will be okay for you to do so.





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