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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/11/2009 8:13:30 AM   
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I guess I'm just an oddball but "sub drop" is not something I have experienced. Well then, I haven't experienced "sub frenzy" and all kinds of other "sub" nonsense either, so I must be the odd one out. However, having said that, here's my personal thoughts as to your question, Potty:



Sub nonsense? care to explain?

second thought, no need... I have wasted enough time on you already~

Wow. Lovin' that "open mind" you so freely exhibit. Hold up, SilentSpark. I don't know you from Adam and if responding ONCE to something I said is wasting too much of your precious time, maybe the boards aren't where you need to be. Now that I've said my little catty, uncalledfor remark to match yours, let me "explain" (not that I need to or that you care)..............

I guess I wasn't clear enough in explaining about the "nonsense" remark. I've been around here for going on 3 years now and, if you've ever read my posts about "sub frenzy" you'd know THAT is what I see as "nonsense," not sub drop. That wasn't really very clear. Sub drop surely exists...that's a biological fact. "Sub frenzy," on the other hand is IMHO "nonsense" because it gives otherwise normal, grown responsible subs an excuse to act like a brain-addled dope and have it excused. That is MY personal opinion. It is as valid as any of yours. As I said, ease up and exhibit that "open mind" you SAY you value so much...............luci

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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/11/2009 8:15:54 AM   
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As one of those who said I have never experienced sub drop and don't require hours of loving aftercare, I never said anyone else who did is wrong or not entitled to their own way.


I haven't seen anyone who said they require hours of loving aftercare. It takes about ten seconds max to uncap a water bottle and pass it over. And the same to pull up a blanket over the sub.

At the same time, he likes to rest only he does so on top of the blanket, not under.

So where does this snide comment about hours being required come from.

I didn't intend it as "snide." That's your reading of it. Take out that word if it troubles you. Fact remains, my opinion is my own and as you're so fond of stating, what others do doesn't affect your relationship at all. Mine either. Different strokes and all that jazz..........luci

PS......I just reread what you quoted above and I would ask that you reread it as well, esp. the highlighted part. That's a real important part, btw Also, I said I had never experienced sub drop and that I don't require hours of loving aftercare. I never said others do or that, if they do, they are wrong. How you got "snide" out of this or find fault with what I said about me, is beyond me. Definitely reading way too much negativity into my observations about myself.

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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/11/2009 8:36:03 AM   
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but you~~~perfect little sub, you don't need that~~~LOL, you don't need anything.

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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/11/2009 8:45:12 AM   
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That is a rediculous question. I don't go and grab any old sub/slave just becasue THEY say they are one. If and when, someone because mine, my property, they will already know me and how I am, BEFORE they expressed the desire to belong to me. It's part of that communication thing I am such a fan of.

If an s-type needs a lot of reassurance and mollycoddling, they have no business belonging to me in the first place. Not saying I am going to beat the hell out of someone then walk away, ignoring them. But I am repulsed by clingy, needy, passive agressiveness, cloaked in the form of submission. I seriously doubt we would get to the point you suggest.



the question is not rediculous. I asked for information which I couldn't get from your answer.
Thank you for explaining though.


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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/11/2009 8:45:32 AM   
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but you~~~perfect little sub, you don't need that~~~LOL, you don't need anything.

who think their DS is better because they're the perfect sub...



Yeah, that's exactly what was said. Not needing aftercare means you "don't need ANYTHING" and that you think you are "perfect." The mind reels from the lack of comprehension one sees............luci

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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/11/2009 8:49:50 AM   
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Luci I think it's that several remarks had been said that could have easily been taken as condescending.  The entire premise of this thread was sparked by Potty's comment on the "other" aftercare thread about laughing at some of the aftercare needs.

And then starting this thread by asking if we're "soft."

Not a great way to start off.  So words like "nonsense" and "hours of loving aftercare" when following some of the other remarks, were interpreted as they were.  Truth be told hon, I kind of blinked at it, too.  No harm no foul, but I can see how it all came about.

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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/11/2009 10:10:03 AM   
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I didn't read the entire thread, just the first page and then came here, for what that's worth.....

But, I've recently been with someone who, though he presents a tough, crusty exterior, keeps a bowl of chocolates by the bed, buys bottled water for me just in case the well water doesn't agree with me, makes coffee and sets out a cup for me, put candles in his bathroom and then leaves so I could have "girl time" in his deep, oval-shaped bathtub.....

Maybe that makes him soft, but I'll tell ya what....I've done and said things with him that I thought I'd NEVER do or say. :) What's "soft" about making your slave happy so she wants to give you her very all and then some to you? (Jesus, I just called myself a freakin' slave, lol)

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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/11/2009 10:23:42 AM   
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*fast reply*
I'm not going to get into any of the "my way is better than your way" stuff going on in this thread.
When I first started meeting with him and for the whole first year and a half it was literally hit and run. We would meet, do intense things together and then leave, driving in opposite directions. No after care other than about a billion text messages, phone calls and emails in the hours that followed. Those messages were usually not even kink related. Just our normal day to day talk. And yet I have never experienced sub drop with him. I have missed an exit and wound up in West Orange by mistake due to fuzzy brain syndrome. I think just knowing that he would be there to listen to my ramblings is aftercare enough for me. And if I did need some extra attention he'd probably call me a pussy. 8)
Fast forward to my situation with him now where we are able to literally spend hours and hours together at a time. I find that I still don't require any after care. Sometimes just looking over and seeing him sitting two feet away reading the paper is after care enough. Or tackling him on the couch...
People need to find a partner that holds the same requirements to be happy as they do in order for their relationship to work. If feeding your sub bonbons as after care works for both of you, then why the hell not.

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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/11/2009 11:04:29 AM   
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Luci I think it's that several remarks had been said that could have easily been taken as condescending.  The entire premise of this thread was sparked by Potty's comment on the "other" aftercare thread about laughing at some of the aftercare needs.

And then starting this thread by asking if we're "soft."

Not a great way to start off.  So words like "nonsense" and "hours of loving aftercare" when following some of the other remarks, were interpreted as they were.  Truth be told hon, I kind of blinked at it, too.  No harm no foul, but I can see how it all came about.

Yeah, I see your point. People can always choose to take things however they like and, oftentimes, apparently one person's comments get lumped with another's and they both take whatever blame someone else wants to mete out. I really would hope folks would be able to read what I wrote about me and distinguish what I said from what they want to read into it based on their own views and/or what someone on the thread before me said. Guess that's asking too much? As you said, "no harm, no foul," but just seems rather silly to bite my head off for what someone else MIGHT have meant. And, hey, a little blinking now and then can't be all bad for us, eh? Have a great weekend and I'm so happy for how your life is going now.......luci

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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/11/2009 11:04:39 AM   
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Soft? More vanilla people are in the scene. Maybe, I'm just an ol' dom , but it was better back in the good ol' days!

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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/11/2009 11:19:46 AM   
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Right on Nueva!  Heck, even (and this seems like aftercare to me)  luci says
*Master usually unties me (if He chose to bind me for that particular instance), removes the hood (if He choose to tie it on for this experience) and has me lie down on our bed next to Him. He holds me tightly and strokes my (sweaty) head and tells me what a "good girl" I was/am. Sometimes, I take a drink of something cold. I relax, melt into Him and, after a short while, take a shower*
Umm... well gosh... I read the aftercare thread too and that is what MOST people were saying is their aftercare!  I didn't see many who went on about HOURS of care that the OP discusses.  And even if they do, so what?  Some dominants actually enjoy that part of recovery. 
What I find as nonsense is believing that one way.. learned no doubt from net reading accounts of bdsm is IT and anything else is not the way it should be. 

If the OP feels it is right for her to get up off the floor and make dinner for the guy in her life, fab, she has found a good match.  But some people might want more.  As long as both people are on board with that who cares if one sub needs to feel sublier than thou.


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Luci I think it's that several remarks had been said that could have easily been taken as condescending.  The entire premise of this thread was sparked by Potty's comment on the "other" aftercare thread about laughing at some of the aftercare needs.

And then starting this thread by asking if we're "soft."

Not a great way to start off.  So words like "nonsense" and "hours of loving aftercare" when following some of the other remarks, were interpreted as they were.  Truth be told hon, I kind of blinked at it, too.  No harm no foul, but I can see how it all came about.

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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/11/2009 11:21:07 AM   
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Some are sodt.
Some are hard.
Some go soft.
Some get harder....


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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/11/2009 9:23:33 PM   
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Maybe, I'm just an ol' dom , but it was better back in the good ol' days!


Good ol' days?
Wow, what we've got here is an authentic 85 year old gay vet of WWII.

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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/11/2009 9:26:42 PM   
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More vanilla people in the scene?

No, by the virtue that they are IN the scene, they are not vanilla...


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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/11/2009 9:42:12 PM   
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As I've posted before, as a Domme, I want to give the aftercare as much as the sub might want to receive it. For Me it's the connection time, the pay off for all the work of the scene/playtime/session/call it what you will. So this is another thing I will ask a potential sub about upfront, if they already know they don't like cuddling etc after a scene then they are not the right sub for Me. I don't like feeling used and abused by a sub who gets their pleasure then up and runs. Not saying they're wrong for doing that, it may well be right for them and right for some other Domme, it's just not right for Me. It's all about compatability. And I can't see how I'm "soft" for getting what I want out of it.

As a sub i don't need hours of aftercare but i do like some AND Master loves to give it. So we are compatible in that and that's all that really matters. And to quietlycontent (who comes across as anything but!), scenes/playtime/sessions are sometimes prebooked even though we live together 24/7 in a deeply loving and caring relationship. We need to set aside time for these interactions, time when there will be no interruptions or distractions, time to enjoy whatever we may decide to do without worrying about a deadline or a need to be somewhere else. Not to say we also don't enjoy spontaneous play because we do, but that tends not to be as deep as occurs when time and room is set aside. Also when we play intensely, everything is set out ready to use ... blanket, water, nibbles, tissues etc all take their place with the toys so it's not difficult to provide the necessary aftercare. It's just a matter of being organised.

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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/11/2009 10:27:51 PM   
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The only time when BDSM goes soft is when a Master/Dom can't get it up....


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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/11/2009 11:31:35 PM   
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I like to touch and caress after a scene. It works for me. Otherwise I feel like I've just cut up a chicken or something; I'm tired, and while I enjoyed it, I want some connection and feedback.



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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/12/2009 12:40:35 AM   
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I agree Lass, nothing "SOFT" about after care those who believe it to be too soft probably have never owned a slave of collared a sub and are bloody poor ?Dominants too. Certainly any Master or Mistress worth their salt, knows that looking after your property, which is jolly valuable too, is just part and parcel of ownership and no need for a University degree to have that worked out. What you give you get back in spades over time. 

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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/12/2009 9:07:49 AM   
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Right on Nueva!  Heck, even (and this seems like aftercare to me)  luci says
*Master usually unties me (if He chose to bind me for that particular instance), removes the hood (if He choose to tie it on for this experience) and has me lie down on our bed next to Him. He holds me tightly and strokes my (sweaty) head and tells me what a "good girl" I was/am. Sometimes, I take a drink of something cold. I relax, melt into Him and, after a short while, take a shower*
Umm... well gosh... I read the aftercare thread too and that is what MOST people were saying is their aftercare!  I didn't see many who went on about HOURS of care that the OP discusses.  And even if they do, so what?  Some dominants actually enjoy that part of recovery. 
What I find as nonsense is believing that one way.. learned no doubt from net reading accounts of bdsm is IT and anything else is not the way it should be. 

If the OP feels it is right for her to get up off the floor and make dinner for the guy in her life, fab, she has found a good match.  But some people might want more.  As long as both people are on board with that who cares if one sub needs to feel sublier than thou.


Ya know, I feel like I'm in "Bizarro World" here where everything is topsy-turvy and all one's words get twisted into the opposite of what they are to mean. I have been posting here quite a while and, in more than 3,000 posts, I have NEVER ONCE indicated that I believe in the mythical "one, true way" so many people speak of. I have NEVER ONCE spoken about how what others do in the way of aftercare, sexual activities, etc. is "wrong" and shouldn't be done if it's not the way I do it. NEVER. Thus, I'm very confused as to why in this little thread where I STILL didn't indicate any of those things, all of a sudden the open-minded way I've conducted myself in previously suddenly is given no recognition.

I NEVER said we do no aftercare. I simply said I don't necessarily need, want or require it ESPECIALLY at the levels some other people may or may not desire. For cripes sake, I didn't consider the grave importance of every single word I typed and so because I said "hours of loving aftercare," suddenly I'm a douche who thinks I'm the perfect slavey-slave because I hate aftercare. - get a grip folks.

In addition, I have typed many posts here about how - no matter what the activity is and how un-domly some may consider it - if the dominant desires it, that's all that matters. Whether it be oral sex on their sub/slave, being the receiver during watersports or gasp! even aftercare, it's cool if that's what they want to do. My feelings still haven't changed and even though way too much is being read into what I wrote, you can believe me when I say I STILL feel those ways.

So, yeah, right on NuevaVida. I happen to respect her and her observations very much. Those of others who are just making what they want to out my comments and never once thinking back on the fact that I don't come here and preach some kind of "one true way" or try to tell others to do it the way I do - not so much respect there. I would respectfully request that you realize that your way isn't the only way either and back up and let a sister breathe. Ya misundersood

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RE: Has BDSM become "soft"? - 9/12/2009 10:38:05 AM   
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Ya might want to step back a bit and not let a post ruffle your panties.  In that other thread there were very few people that talked about hours of aftercare.  Then we have this one where that was the OP's premise.. and indicating it was soft and not how she learned things. 
Then your first words back were you agreed.. but said how you are treated.  Well.. that is aftercare.  That is the pretty much the same deal that most people in the other thread were saying theirs was.  Only in the OP's opinion here, that was soft.
So.. first you agreed, then you clarified with what happens with you.  Aftercare.

This is what I was pointing out.

I do not see how this is soft.  People do what works.  Even if as the OP states, it is not the way she learned things.


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