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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Besides, who is this Jesus person?

Yeshuah ben Yoseph if you insist. Apparently some sort of minor rebel in Judea in the first century. Would be completely forgotten but he somehow got made into the central figure of a Roman style mystery cult.

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When Bush discovered he could get a majority vote, or close to it by saying he was christian and was doing what god told him to do. (just like Hitler.)

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From Who's lifetime you seem to have forgot to add, the planet uses to measure time before but not after.

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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When Bush discovered he could get a majority vote, or close to it by saying he was christian and was doing what god told him to do. (just like Hitler.)

Actually Hitler was very anti-Christian,and very anti-religion in general. he often referred to History and Providence calling him,but I don't recall him ever being quoted as saying that God called him. The Nazis actively suppressed religions of all types,though they did promote a vague neo-nordic sort of Wagnerian cult of mythology...but they never went so far as to claim it was based on any reality.

Please people, if you refuse to learn anything about Hitler and the Nazis then kindly refrain from using him/them in your arguments...it only makes you look dumb.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Wow, christianity became popular just because Bush was in office. Thanks for pointing that out... LOL

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ACtually, it was a German friend of mine who's family lived through World War II who said that Hilter told the people of Germany repeatedly that it was God who told him to do what he was doing. That he would be able to put a chicken in every pot. He was a fabulous orator and told the Germans exactly what they needed to hear, since most were so poor all they had left was their religion.

I never once said that Hitler was religious, nor did I say bush was religious, but they both used Christianity to justify what they did to other religions.

Please Arpig, just because it isn't quoted in a history book doesn't mean it didn't happen. The winners write the books.

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ORIGINAL: Lostkitten3

It became popular again, once Bush was n office. I can tell you that my Mom and her friends were casual Christians until the "Crusade" in Iraq against Muslim terrorists (which is literally how that group of that generation thinks about it, because that is what Bush and the T.V. told them to think.)


ANd focus on the Family became really popular, and my Muslim neighbor had to quit going to school because she was taunted.

Yes, Bush made being Christian popular again, in America.

Laugh away

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Wow, christianity became popular just because Bush was in office. Thanks for pointing that out... LOL

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Besides, who is this Jesus person?

Yeshuah ben Yoseph if you insist. Apparently some sort of minor rebel in Judea in the first century. Would be completely forgotten but he somehow got made into the central figure of a Roman style mystery cult.

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Well as long as you are using the proper translations...

How about the full proper Latin one for AD...

Anno Domini Nostri Iesu Christi ("In the Year of Our Lord Jesus Christ").

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: Lostkitten3

It became popular again, once Bush was n office. I can tell you that my Mom and her friends were casual Christians until the "Crusade" in Iraq against Muslim terrorists (which is literally how that group of that generation thinks about it, because that is what Bush and the T.V. told them to think.)


ANd focus on the Family became really popular, and my Muslim neighbor had to quit going to school because she was taunted.

Yes, Bush made being Christian popular again, in America.

Laugh away

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Wow, christianity became popular just because Bush was in office. Thanks for pointing that out... LOL

I cannot go by your mom and her friends being casual armchair christians until Bush went on his rampage against muslims. makes me question both their christian views and their ability to be lead by someone else.

How do i measure the "christian movement"? simple... the PTL and Jim Baker. By 1980, he had built PTL in Fort Mills SC. I dont need a source. He also embezzeled quite a bit of money, lied to those who donated and bought into the time share scheme... but he also created something that polarized many, many christians across the country... in a good way.

Christianity wasnt a lack luster afair at that time. Now, since both of the Bush Presidents were in office after that time, im curious as to how this movement, that could produce a million dollars in donations each week, build a theme park (PTL), host a satellite system that broadcasted their show 24/7, was the product of either Bush?

And that is why i laughed... not at the people... but at your assumption.

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan

Again, another wild stab at one of your topics Spinner. If nothing else, you do keep the debate pot stirred.

I think the misleading part of your topic is "become". It implies a transition from one state to another, namely from a non-Christian state to a Christian state when the vast majority of European types who migrated to America were some form of Christian already.

There is much debate and ado about the founding fathers. While their contribution shouldn't be lessened, none of what they accomplished would have been possible without the support, efforts, and lives of that same Christian majority. Had any of them espoused even a 10th of the anti-Christian rhetoric that floats around this type of topic, there's little doubt in my mind that any Constitution we might now have, would be missing their signature and we'd most likely be footnoting them in history as the man strung up in a town square somewhere.

Ain't saying it's right, just how it is.

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ORIGINAL: Lostkitten3

Except for all those Jewish immigrants, and the founding fathers that INSISTED on a separation of church and state...

And started with "We hold these truths to be self evident" instead of saying they are god given rights

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan

Again, another wild stab at one of your topics Spinner. If nothing else, you do keep the debate pot stirred.

I think the misleading part of your topic is "become". It implies a transition from one state to another, namely from a non-Christian state to a Christian state when the vast majority of European types who migrated to America were some form of Christian already.

There is much debate and ado about the founding fathers. While their contribution shouldn't be lessened, none of what they accomplished would have been possible without the support, efforts, and lives of that same Christian majority. Had any of them espoused even a 10th of the anti-Christian rhetoric that floats around this type of topic, there's little doubt in my mind that any Constitution we might now have, would be missing their signature and we'd most likely be footnoting them in history as the man strung up in a town square somewhere.

Ain't saying it's right, just how it is.

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ORIGINAL: Lostkitten3

Hmmm, the 80's that was Reagan Era, and Bush VP.
And most people thought the whole Jim Baker thing was nutty nutjobs. Easily led and easily throwing their money away. Remember the Tshirts with makeup stains that said "I ran into Tammy Fae Baker?" They were a public JOKE. And then he was caught cheating and lost his status. Coke was the religion at that time due to the war on drugs, which was actually a war on pot, because the Bushes and Reagans had invested in the pharm companies that made the chemicals needed to refine cocaine and heroine, and wanted to make more money, and the pot growers in S.A. weren't sharing....but I digress.

Bush made being CHristian, and more importantly Anti Muslim, a necessary trait for all Americans. If you aren't with him you are with the terrorists. It was a war god told him to engage in. He made being Christian a requirement for patriotism, because most CHristians do blindly follow based on faith, instead of reality.

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ORIGINAL: Lostkitten3

It became popular again, once Bush was n office. I can tell you that my Mom and her friends were casual Christians until the "Crusade" in Iraq against Muslim terrorists (which is literally how that group of that generation thinks about it, because that is what Bush and the T.V. told them to think.)


ANd focus on the Family became really popular, and my Muslim neighbor had to quit going to school because she was taunted.

Yes, Bush made being Christian popular again, in America.

Laugh away

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Wow, christianity became popular just because Bush was in office. Thanks for pointing that out... LOL

I cannot go by your mom and her friends being casual armchair christians until Bush went on his rampage against muslims. makes me question both their christian views and their ability to be lead by someone else.

How do i measure the "christian movement"? simple... the PTL and Jim Baker. By 1980, he had built PTL in Fort Mills SC. I dont need a source. He also embezzeled quite a bit of money, lied to those who donated and bought into the time share scheme... but he also created something that polarized many, many christians across the country... in a good way.

Christianity wasnt a lack luster afair at that time. Now, since both of the Bush Presidents were in office after that time, im curious as to how this movement, that could produce a million dollars in donations each week, build a theme park (PTL), host a satellite system that broadcasted their show 24/7, was the product of either Bush?

And that is why i laughed... not at the people... but at your assumption.

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Yes, Bush made being Christian popular again, in America