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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 10:34:49 AM

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dont you just love these canadians that think they know what is best for America and what Americans think.

And being Canadian means I don't read? It means I am not informed on the issues? Would you prefer that only Americans be allowed to comment on events in the US?

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 10:36:06 AM

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dont you just love these canadians that think they know what is best for America and what Americans think.

I love anyone who's intelligent, articulate, reasonable, well-informed, of good character, and can discuss complex issues with conviction, compassion, and genuine insight. So yes, as a matter of fact, I do love these particular Canadians.

Which is a lot more than I can say about quite a lot of Americans. Thanks for asking!

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 12:58:31 PM

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Then, when I post other analysis, in which mathematical calculations are used. You, rule, tazzy, et al, talk about "sources", but not a single one of you have mentioned any of the math and assumptions in their caculations.
Oh come on Firm, you have to admit that a site claiming tobe a secret society dedicated tothe return of the Kingdom of Poland-Lithuania has gotto be just a bit much...its either whakos or comedy. And as to why I didn't question the numbers...well if you have been following the thread you would know that I have no interest in how many people showed up. It is utterly meaningless to me. So since I really don't care how many people showed up, since I consider that to be completely irrelevant, why on earth would I even bother with the math....I don't care how the estimates were arrived at because I don't care how many people were there.

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Both you and Lucy claim to have no interest in the number of people who showed up .... you have no belief that they are of any consequence ..

I guess my question is why are you guys continuing to post in this thread, and minimizing the rally and their issues, especially if you "really aren't all that interested" in the subject?

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 1:02:50 PM

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I guess my question is why are you guys continuing to post in this thread, and minimizing the rally and their issues, especially if you "really aren't all that interested" in the subject?

Because of the following:
1) The thread wasn't originally about how many people attended,that isn'tthe subject of the thread despite you continuing to post about it, you are arguing with nobody really.
2) I haven't minimized the issues being protested, in fact there has been precious little mention of them
3) Because I have learned that if i don't respond to every point made by those on your side in a response to one of my posts you guys get your panties all in a bunch...so I try to reply

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 1:04:53 PM

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one can only claim hijacking if it is a conservative started liberal bashing thread, Arpig. See Sanity and FirmHand for the rules..........

Liberals are running scared now (same as last time),

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 1:28:07 PM

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one can only claim hijacking if it is a conservative started liberal bashing thread, Arpig. See Sanity and FirmHand for the rules..........

Liberals are running scared now (same as last time),

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Typical from you Ron.

The question of participation, and the number of people who attended was first addressed by DomKen in Post 19, then 24.

Then Lucy makes a belittling comment in post 25 (OK, call it "sarcastic") about the lack of protestors (maybe they all got confused between Washington DC and Washington State?)

Then rikigrl makes the comment in post 30 that only "be considered a significant number of protesters by fauxnews."

Then the very OP of the thread, Spinner, comes to the discussion of the importance of the size of the protest:

Why would the democrats not see this as a small demonstration. It was a small demonstration. Compared to the crowds gathered by issues like reproductive rights, the war in Iraq, gay rights, black rights this was a ripple in the pond. Without addressing the right or wrong of their position, why would the democrats view this demonstration as overly important?

This is all in the first two pages.

My first post was near the top of page four, and addressed these issues of both size and importance.

I provided facts, analysis, figures ... and what do I get?

"Oh, the actual numbers aren't really relevant ... we think it's insignificant because we don't care about it ..."

First members of the left argue for two pages that it was an insignificant gathering because it was small - hardly anybody really showed up, especially compared to those causes that are really important.

And yet, then, when there is good evidence that they are way off base in the size of the crowds, and therefore the significance of the protest .... the numbers don't really matter?

Horseshit and deflection.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 1:41:09 PM

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Typical from you Firm,

look up the threads you claimed hijack on and liberals running scared, and fete us with a post by post analysis. Show some interest in THAT subject. Counterpoint and contrasting examples are valid argumentation. The same sort of things happened there.

Now, as far as numbers go, remember, you were the one showing all these military sights that claimed that recruitment was running so goddamn high, and I was the one telling you that it was propaganda, because the number of rotations for units was increasing.

So, I don't believe any high numbers, and I don't believe any low numbers, what I believe is what I have stated....It is a flash in the pan, and the last time the right protested they were slaughtered in congress and lost the presidency. So not much came of that, and not much will come of this

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 1:56:50 PM

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dont you just love these canadians that think they know what is best for America and what Americans think.

Ya know, when i first encountered Arpig, i wanted to wring his neck! then i got to know him, as well as you can through this medium. I find him to be well read and intelligent, able to articulate himself well.... not to mention its always good to see an outsiders perspective.

I dont always agree with him, but, i do enjoy what he adds.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 5:28:45 PM

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dont you just love these canadians that think they know what is best for America and what Americans think.

Well, I can't say I love Arpig, because I have never met him. But I always enjoy hearing his point of view, even when it doesn't agree with my own. Maybe one day I will be lucky enough to meet him and then I will let you know.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 5:33:07 PM

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Then Lucy makes a belittling comment in post 25 (OK, call it "sarcastic") about the lack of protestors (maybe they all got confused between Washington DC and Washington State?)

Is that what that was about, I thought she was implying that they were to stupid to find the capital. Either way it was rather snarky.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 6:24:44 PM

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Would you prefer that only Americans be allowed to comment on events in the US?

I would prefer that non U.S. citizens stop trying to insinuate their own opinions into how the U.S. should conduct our business.

I would also prefer that the U.S. not involve themselves in foreign wars that don't directly affect U.S. borders. That was the intent of the founding fathers of the United States.

I was never much of a conspiracy theorist until Obama got elected. But more and more I'm leaning toward what has been referred to as the "New World Order".

Obama seems hellbent on sacrificing this country and all it stands for in the name of globalism.

The founding fathers of the United States, collectively, instituted a Constitution that was based on minding our own business unless the U.S was under direct attack on its own borders. For the last 60 years every single president has ignored that well articulated advice.

I'm not an isolationist. I guess I can best be described as a non-interventionist. I could bore the rest of you to death with direct quotes (with my sources cited) where the U.S. founding fathers specifically advised against the path the U.S. has taken in the last 60 years.

But the truth is, 99% of you would argue the sources and claim I misunderstood the real intent. I haven't misunderstood at all. If only the U.S. would leave other countries to fight their own damned wars we wouldn't be so universally hated.

On one hand, the U.S. has provided aid and support around the world when natural disasters occurred. The U.S. forgave billions of dollars in war debt after WWII through the Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy.

And now, some foreigners think they have as much right to dictate the policies of the U.S. as its own citizens have.

Again, if only the U.S. had followed the advice of our founding fathers, this discussion would never be taking place. Let the Middle East deal with its own problems. The U.S, if they had a real incentive, could produce enough oil to make up for what might be lost from the Middle East.

Sorry. This is just a particular sore topic with me. The U.S. has continually involved itself in foreign conflicts that they should never have bothered themselves with. Even WWII. Until Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, there was zero support among the general population of the U.S. to enter that war.

FDR played that to his advantage and for the last 60 years every other administration, whether Dem or Repub, has paid the price along with the average American citizen who only wants to live under our own Constitution and not be bothered with the rest of the worlds problems.

I can sum this up: Frankly, I don't give a damn about the rest of the world.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 7:02:05 PM

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You know .. I quote the NYT, and USAToday, and have mentioned them several times .... and have utter silence from the left, even when I poke them about them.
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From the NYTimes: "...The demonstrators numbered well into the tens of thousands, though the police declined to estimate the size of the crowd. Many came on their own and were not part of an organization or group. But the magnitude of the rally took the authorities by surprise, with throngs of people streaming from the White House to Capitol Hill for more than three hours."

Entire article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/us/politics/13protestweb.html?_r=1&ref=politics

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 7:06:47 PM

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I was never much of a conspiracy theorist until Obama got elected. But more and more I'm leaning toward what has been referred to as the "New World Order".

Obama seems hellbent on sacrificing this country and all it stands for in the name of globalism.

What did you think of George W? The first time I remember "NWO" bandied about was during George HW's presidency. Desert Storm Bush.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 8:26:03 PM

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Ya know, when i first encountered Arpig, i wanted to wring his neck!

Yeah, I have that effect on people, just ask my ex-wife

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 8:35:40 PM

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I would prefer that non U.S. citizens stop trying to insinuate their own opinions into how the U.S. should conduct our business.

Then I respectfully suggest you go frequent a US-citizens-only forum. This is an international forum,where people from all over the world are allowed to participate. And since what happens in US domestic policy effects much of the rest of the world, damn straight I will have opinions on it and damn straight I will share them with everybody. And I am not trying to insinuate my opinions...I am trying to ram them right down your throats....you may notice a lack of subtlety on my part now and then.

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I was never much of a conspiracy theorist until Obama got elected. But more and more I'm leaning toward what has been referred to as the "New World Order".

Didn't know that about you, but to be honest it doesn't actually surprise me.

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I can sum this up: Frankly, I don't give a damn about the rest of the world.

A luxury you have being an American...not however one available to the rest of the world vis-a-vis the US. We have to pay attention, and we have to try to influence things, for the very simple reason that it affects our domestic policy. Sorry if that means you have to suffer the indignity of having to be exposed to our grubby foreign ideas, but as I pointed out in another post on another thread...America does not belong to the US citizens, it belongs tothe whole world...you are merely its caretakers.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 8:39:25 PM

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You know .. I quote the NYT, and USAToday, and have mentioned them several times .... and have utter silence from the left, even when I poke them about them.
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From the NYTimes: "...The demonstrators numbered well into the tens of thousands, though the police declined to estimate the size of the crowd. Many came on their own and were not part of an organization or group. But the magnitude of the rally took the authorities by surprise, with throngs of people streaming from the White House to Capitol Hill for more than three hours."

Entire article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/us/politics/13protestweb.html?_r=1&ref=politics

What's your point, thorn?

That's the same link and the same quote that I gave in post 61.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 8:43:47 PM

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What's the difference between a penis size listed on a Collar Me profile, and the estimates of the crowd size at a 9/12 demonstration?

The profile only inflates it's claims by x 2.
The 9/12 organizers multiply their figures by x 25

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 8:55:42 PM

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What's the difference between a penis size listed on a Collar Me profile, and the estimates of the crowd size at a 9/12 demonstration?

The profile only inflates it's claims by x 2.
The 9/12 organizers multiply their figures by x 25

I suppose you have to give them a certain amount of credit for even being able to count to 25. I have to admit, I'm a little surprised. I wouldn't have expected it of them.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 9:06:13 PM

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Well, to soft sell the gaffe: pretty much every group that has staged some kind of march or protest like this has fudged the figures. It's just that this one has been the only protest that was soooo insecure about it's numbers, that it was willing to officially release photos of a 5+ year old march, and claim it was their own. Also, it's the only one to fake time lapse footage. (Again, apparently from an older, previous march, and blurring the slogans on the signs and banners to cover) And the only one to multiply it's attendance by a whopping, "I killed seven with one blow" factor of 25.

So, I guess the 9/12 d-bag party did set a record of at least one sort: biggest lies and frauds of any protest in the last 50 years.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/17/2009 10:35:14 AM

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Or, to put it another way... I guess Matt Kibbe (President of FreedomWorks, a major organizer of the 9/12 event) thinks his penis is 53 inches long....

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