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Brain -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 5:43:34 PM)

I actually think this is silly. It sounds like the teacher is black, she sounds black the way the teacher talks. She’s probably over enthusiastic about a black being elected president and this is what you get. I’m not concerned about it and it’s nothing that came from the White House. If you’re squirming about it it doesn’t bother me, after eight long years of bullshit I had to put up with from George Bush and Dick Cheney. Maybe if they were lying about mushroom clouds and starting wars it would be different.



Leiren -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 5:52:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales


What were the lyrics to this song exactly?

Is anyone going to bother getting the facts before getting all wee-wee'd up about this?



The lyrics can be found here:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/24/lyrics-songs-president-obama/?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r1:c0.177819:b27935130:z0

And this link:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/09/24/kevin-mccullough-tube-kids-obama-new-jersey/
might be something you should take a look at as well.

And your usage of Barack Hussein Obama's now infamous 'wee weed up' phrase again points to your own leftist leanings. Obama has insinuated that anyone who doesn't swallow his partisan politics is just all wee-weed up. Why doesn't he just have the cojones to say PISSED OFF?

And racism has nothing to do with why I don't like Obama. I don't like his policies, I don't like the direction he intends to take this country in, and I don't like schools teaching children to worship him as though he's the new Messiah. True enough, Obama himself, didn't pop up at that school and demand the children worship him in song, but some of his less than intelligent worshipers made that decision.






SpinnerofTales -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 6:04:03 PM)

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You want to see a quick 180 in this discussion on the part of the left let someone release a video where the school kids are singing the praises of Bush.
ORIGINAL: Sanity




DING DING DING! We have a winner! Sanity, you're the winner of the "Let's turn any topic into being about how awfully unfair we liberals were to Bush....Yes, Sanity, you have ignored the rights and wrongs of the situation, completely missed the point and turned this to a purely partisan issue....and tell him what he's won for that, Johnny.....

He's won a right wing crying towel! Yes, this beautiful crying towel, hand embroidered with a picture of George Bush under the words "Why is everybody always picking on me?". Not only that but he's won a Barack Obama dartboard, A copy of Sarah Palin singing "That's it, I quit, I'm moving on" and a trash can to throw the merits of any given argument into!

Thanks for playing Sanity. Join us in the next thread for "What would they have done to Bush?"




Leiren -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 6:17:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

As far as Washington and Lincoln.. yes... good men... with lots of faults. Washington owned slaves. Lincoln's wife;s family did too. That neither added too, in either man's case, nor took away from them. They were both great men in their own rights.



tazzygirl:

If you truly know U.S. history, then you would know a little known statement Abraham Lincoln made during the Civil War. Here it is:

"If I could preserve the Union without freeing a single slave I would do so".

Does that sound like a man who truly cared about freeing the slaves? Nope. It was a man speaking what he truly meant to say. The American Civil War had much less to do with the fact of slavery than the fact that the Northern states wanted to destroy the Southern state's economy.

As far as your opinions of me, I could not care less. I believe what I believe and I have legitimate reasons for my beliefs. I don't want to see our once great country plowed under by leftist leanings that Obama has demonstrated for years.



SpinnerofTales -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 6:18:12 PM)

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And racism has nothing to do with why I don't like Obama. I don't like his policies, I don't like the direction he intends to take this country in, and I don't like schools teaching children to worship him as though he's the new Messiah. True enough, Obama himself, didn't pop up at that school and demand the children worship him in song, but some of his less than intelligent worshipers made that decision.



ORIGINAL: Leiren



I never said your comments about Obama was racist, Leiren. I said your blatantly racist comments about Kanye West and Taylor Swift were racist.



dcnovice -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 6:19:09 PM)

FR

I'm an Obama supporter, and I think this singing lesson is completely inappropriate. It's one thing to honor major national heroes. It's quite another to teach children to sing the praises of a sitting President, whoever s/he is. I realize perfect objectivity is impossible, but I think teachers should endeavor to cover politics and current events as neutrally as possible.

Does anyone know if teachers or students wrote the songs?

The Hitler quotes in the OP seem a bit over the top. It must be some sort of a record to reach Godwin's Law a third of the way into the very first post!



tazzygirl -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 6:20:46 PM)

At this point, we dont know who wrote those songs. If its teachers, then i agree with you. If its the students... then what?



tazzygirl -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 6:22:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Leiren

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

As far as Washington and Lincoln.. yes... good men... with lots of faults. Washington owned slaves. Lincoln's wife;s family did too. That neither added too, in either man's case, nor took away from them. They were both great men in their own rights.



tazzygirl:

If you truly know U.S. history, then you would know a little known statement Abraham Lincoln made during the Civil War. Here it is:

"If I could preserve the Union without freeing a single slave I would do so".

Does that sound like a man who truly cared about freeing the slaves? Nope. It was a man speaking what he truly meant to say. The American Civil War had much less to do with the fact of slavery than the fact that the Northern states wanted to destroy the Southern state's economy.

As far as your opinions of me, I could not care less. I believe what I believe and I have legitimate reasons for my beliefs. I don't want to see our once great country plowed under by leftist leanings that Obama has demonstrated for years.



Obama walked in behind the "plowing" or our country. Is that a fact you conveniently forgot or something you prefer not to remember?



dcnovice -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 6:32:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

At this point, we dont know who wrote those songs. If its teachers, then i agree with you. If its the students... then what?


If the students wrote them of their own volition, then things are more complicated. I need to think about that one.



SpinnerofTales -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 6:33:49 PM)

Personally, I agree with you DC....I would have been far happier if they focused on his being the first black president (a historic occurrence and not to be forgotten during black history month) and not made his policies the point. I would be happier still if they hadn't sung the song at all.

If they had to sing a song about his victory, however they could have sung (to the tune of battle hymn of the republic):

Oh he came from old Chicago to the Senate in DC
And he gave a stirring speech before the 04 DNC
Then in 08 he announced
He would be facing Hillary
Our Prez goes marching on!

Glory, Glory to Obama
Though the right heaps dirt opon ya'
We look at them and say "yo mama"
Our prez goes marching on.

Well he knocked off Hill and Bill and won the primary campaign
Then he went on tv in debates and beat old man McCain
Now from all over the country
The right wing just screams in pain
Our prez goes marching on

(chorus)

Is that better?




Leiren -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 6:36:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales


Yes, Sanity, you have ignored the rights and wrongs of the situation, completely missed the point and turned this to a purely partisan issue...

Thanks for playing Sanity. Join us in the next thread for "What would they have done to Bush?"



As you may have noticed from previous posts of mine directed toward you, you annoy the hell out of me. You want to talk about PURE partisanship? Then you need not look any farther than Barack Hussein Obama.

Has a nice ring to it, doesn't it? It sure seemed to have a nice ring to it when those children were taught to chant over and over BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.

Why the need to include his middle name which is distinctly Muslim? But back to my main point here, Barack Hussein Obama claimed during his presidential campaign that he would provide transparency in the government and eliminate partisan politics.

Nine months into his administration he has done neither. He reneged on both of those campaign promises and also reneged on several others he made. Is this a man you're going to continue to support just because your a liberal?

As I've said many times before on these forums, I do not identify with either the Dems or Repubs, but strongly identify as Libertarian. I stand behind the original intent of the founding fathers of this country in support of any candidate who actually has respect for the Constitution and makes an attempt to adhere to the principles of said document.

In my lifetime I haven't seen either the Dems or Repubs do a damned thing to uphold the Constituion. I respect neither of the two parties and continue to hope that before I die that a viable third party candidate will be elected to the presidency.

I'll repeat myself once again: The current two party system has outlived its usefulness and the downturn began 60 years ago.

I'm beginning to draw the connection between your user name and your actual penchant for 'spinning tales', though.




Leiren -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 6:39:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

At this point, we dont know who wrote those songs. If its teachers, then i agree with you. If its the students... then what?


Did you actually read any of the links provided? These children were kindergarten through second grade. Do you really believe children that young actually wrote the lyrics themselves? [8|]



dcnovice -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 6:43:29 PM)

quote:

If you truly know U.S. history, then you would know a little known statement Abraham Lincoln made during the Civil War. Here it is:

"If I could preserve the Union without freeing a single slave I would do so".


Here is what Lincoln said in context (a letter to Horace Greeley):

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." ... My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views. I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free.

Here is what Lincoln said on signing the Emancipation Proclamation:

I never, in my life, felt more certain that I was doing right, than I do in signing this paper.

quote:

Does that sound like a man who truly cared about freeing the slaves? Nope. It was a man speaking what he truly meant to say. The American Civil War had much less to do with the fact of slavery than the fact that the Northern states wanted to destroy the Southern state's economy.


You appear to be forgetting that the South, not the North, precipitated the war by seceding and by firing the first shots. You also appear not to realize that slavery was the bedrock of the Southern economy. If the South was fighting to preserve its economy, then it was fighting to preserve slavery.



SpinnerofTales -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 6:45:23 PM)

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As you may have noticed from previous posts of mine directed toward you, you annoy the hell out of me. You want to talk about PURE partisanship? Then you need not look any farther than Barack Hussein Obama.

Has a nice ring to it, doesn't it? It sure seemed to have a nice ring to it when those children were taught to chant over and over BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.

Why the need to include his middle name which is distinctly Muslim? But back to my main point here, Barack Hussein Obama claimed during his presidential campaign that he would provide transparency in the government and eliminate partisan politics.
ORIGINAL: Leiren




I am so sorry, Lerien. I didn't know you found me annoying. I will immediately change my political views, my world out look and my entire writing style so that I may join in the sweet divine glow of your warm approval.

And how that the heavy sarcasm moment has passed, they called him Barack Hussein Obama because that is his name. I am sure that if he knew that every right wing kook and talk show host (or am I being redundant) would spend four years calling him Barack Hussein obama he would have changed his middle name to "Phil".

Once again, it's a misjudgment by whoever decided to teach the song. It is not by any means a sign that our schools have become indoctrination centers.




tazzygirl -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 6:46:51 PM)

This is what i did read, beyond many things related to this story.

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The first of two Burlington Township School District letters to local families posted online Thursday and obtained by Fox 29 News confirms that a video circulating online and in the media is a class at B. Bernice Young Elementary School singing about the president.

"The activity took place during Black History Month in 2009, which is recognized each February to honor the contributions of African Americans to our country," the letter states. "Our curriculum studies, honors and recognizes those who serve our country. The recording and distribution of the class activity were unauthorized."

The video appears on YouTube. Fox News reported that the clip was first posted online Sept. 6, two days before the president's controversial speech to students at the start of the schoolyear. (See the video below, or click here to read the lyrics )


http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/092409_Students_Obama_Praising_Song_Controversy

a lie. One was posted on August 24th of this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMxOPvIohcM&feature=player_embedded

More Obama Indoctrination going on in schools
The B. Bernice Young Elementary School in New Jersey is under fire this morning after video surfaced of the school's children
being taught to chant praises of US President Barack Hussein Obama.

Video has surfaced of school children being made to sing praises of President Barack Obama. The school's officials, who have been contacted by Fox News and others, have yet to respond to calls about the video and have not given any explanation.

The video's description reads: This was filmed around June 19, 2009 at the B. Bernice Young Elementary School in Burlington, NJ.

Lyrics -

Mmm, mmm, mm!

Barack Hussein Obama
He said that all must lend a hand
To make this country strong again
Mmm, mmm, mm!......
Category: News & Politics

........... the above from the right of the video on youtube

Now, to me, and maybe its just me... but they are dressed awfully warmly for a day in June.



SpinnerofTales -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 6:51:24 PM)

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Now, to me, and maybe its just me... but they are dressed awfully warmly for a day in June.
ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
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Tazzy, how can you expect some (nameless) people to tell the difference between January and June when they can't tell the difference between 2009 America and 1939 Germany?




tazzygirl -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 6:53:47 PM)

I know i know... but... golly... would have thought the one girl in a coat and the other wearing a shirt with a large glittery heart would have been clues!



Leiren -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 6:57:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales


I will immediately change my political views, my world out look and my entire writing style so that I may join in the sweet divine glow of your warm approval.
 


Save your sarcasm. You won't influence me toward your left leaning view. And frankly (to paraphrase Clark Gable as Rhett Butler):

I don't give a damn (about your views). Just needed to add that addendum. [:D]



TheHeretic -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 7:01:46 PM)

Completely inappropriate.  I think the teacher who thought this was a good idea needs to be fired, and I hope it becomes a major issue in the next school board election.



tazzygirl -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/24/2009 7:02:59 PM)

IF this was for Black History Month, would it still be inappropriate?



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