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Arpig -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/25/2009 9:28:42 AM)
quote: For all your great accomplishments, we all doth say "hooray!" [:D][:D][:D][:D] Sorry, maybe its because I fancy myself something of a poet, but those lyrics suck enormously. they are just plain dumb....maybe they were written by the kids.

windchymes -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/25/2009 9:36:07 AM)
Okay, I've changed sides now and those lyrics suck, lol. That is over the top.

Arpig -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/25/2009 9:37:31 AM)
quote: Okay, I've changed sides now Welcome to the dark side...MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/25/2009 9:38:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Sorry for the late response, I lost track of this. It's not that I "only notice one side of that equation". I notice both sides. But you have seemed to me to display a uniquely condescending brand of "let's play nice" (or at least "nicer") while regularly posting nasty jabs that you seem to imagine are somehow amusing when they come from you instead of somebody else. If you feel that impression is inaccurate, you have nonetheless managed to create it in at least one reader. And I'll allow that maybe I just need to get to know you better. Be well, Kirata All I said was that we might want to consider toning down the use of "nazi" and "communist"....along with references to Hitler and Stalin. I never said we all had to have a group hug or that I expected one. It wasn't condecending. It was a reference to one particular debate tactic that I personally thought everyone might agree was just a wee bit over the line of being constructive. I never said "let's be nice". I just said let's take one very obvious incivility off the table...on both sides. To use a football analogy, I may have written that we need a stiffer penalty for roughing the kicker, but I never said I wanted to turn it into two hand touch.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/25/2009 12:36:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: windchymes Well, I didn't hear the song or see the lyrics, so I honestly can't make a final judgement. But the point I was trying to make was that songs have been used in education for practically ever. It's an education tool, kids remember simple song lyrics much more easily than they remember facts. But you're right, Arpig, I would like to hear the song or at least see the lyrics. If it's truly "singing praises" of the man himself than, no, it's inappropriate. But if it's a simple little jingle to commemorate the event, then it could just be the teachers teaching a historical fact. In 2004 Our president was a bore In 2008 Our president is great Or maybe not. [8\|] I see someone sent you the lyrics to a couple of songs...don't forget the lyrics to the other song, sung to the melody of that Christian song "Jesus Loves The Little Children" (hey...how dare they allow a Christian melody to be used? Don't they know about separation of church and state? Or is it O.K. to use Christian melodies, just not words?) Barack loves the little children All the children of the world Red and yellow, black and white They are equal in his sight ((instead of precious)) Barack Hussein Obama

UncleNasty -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/25/2009 12:45:53 PM)
Spinner, Your lack of impartiality shows too often and too easily. While I have no great admiration for him I did refrain from referring to GW Bush as stupid. In my opinion your inclusion of the comment of "Stupid-Texan day" goes more to invalidate your other comments than it does to substantiate or validate them. Gift, Washington served 2 terms (in fact he set the precedent of 2 terms being the unofficial limit) and did many things while in office. Among the things he is credited with is being the first US President to use Federal troops against the citizens in the quashing of the Whiskey Rebellion. To comment on the OP I have considered public schools to be indoctrination centers for quite some time. This is a product of what is and isn't taught. It is my opinion that we have a largely uninformed and powerless citizenry because most public schools no longer teach even basic civics courses, and haven't for some years now. Is it really that big a deal? I think it is. We are only accorded the rights we insist on. If we don't know what those rights are we aren't able to insist on them. We can only hold our elected officials accountable if we know and understand the rights and powers we have as citizens, and thereby the means to doing such. As an example, which of course will relate to the financial mess we're in. Both administrations (Bush and Obama), as well as other governmental and regulatory officials, have disregarded completely the Prompt Corrective Action Law, which in the broad strokes mandates that banks that are failing be put into receivership. Instead of doing this trillions of dollars have been given to failing banks. All of we citizens are on the hook for these trillions of dollars, and will be for a long time. Yet that law mandates that a much different course of action be taken. Perhaps the best source of information on the Prompt Corrective Action Law, short of reading the law itself, is found at the following link: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2009/04/william_k_black_on_the_prompt.html William Black had been interviewed on Bill Moyers Journal in April of this year and made mention of the law. Its mention, and some of his comments in relation to it, generated a fair amount of interest, dispute and comment on the net. So Black has done an update on the interview, and his comments, by going into much deeper detail in re that law with new, more explanatory comments interspersed in the original interview. Uncle Nasty This law, adopted in 1991, is in Title 12, Chapter 16, Section 1831o, and can be found in complete form at the following Cornell University Law School site: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/12/usc_sec_12_00001831---o000-.html

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/25/2009 1:17:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UncleNasty Spinner, Your lack of impartiality shows too often and too easily. While I have no great admiration for him I did refrain from referring to GW Bush as stupid. In my opinion your inclusion of the comment of "Stupid-Texan day" goes more to invalidate your other comments than it does to substantiate or validate them. Funny, UN....since I agreed that this was a bad decsion and improper for a school to teach. It is interesting that you focus on my humor as proof of my partisanship while ignoring my serious comments on the subject. But that's what free speech is for, I suppose.

Lucylastic -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/25/2009 6:44:55 PM)
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2006/04/17/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes/ At the annual White House Easter Egg Roll, children from the stricken Gulf Coast region serenaded First Lady Laura Bush with a song praising the beleaguered Federal Emergency Management Agency. To the tune of Hey Look Me Over, about 100 young children from Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama sang: Our country’s stood beside us People have sent us aid. Katrina could not stop us, our hopes will never fade. Congress, Bush and FEMA People across our land Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand! does one trump the other? in any way??

UncleNasty -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/25/2009 6:45:51 PM)
Frequently humor is a mask for, or a sugar coating on top of, another emotion. There is usually a "butt" of the joke. I can't say if that is the case with you. I don't really know you. I do expect that your attempts at humor, while some will find them as such, will be as likely to offend others. I've never found offense of others to be a productive element in meaningful discussion with them. You're obviously an intelligent, thoughtful and well spoken man so I have to admit being a little befuddled at your employment of such potentially divisive utterances. Admittedly, I am pretty skilled at putting my foot in my mouth. Good thing my feet aren't quite as big as my mouth. Uncle Nasty

Esinn -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/25/2009 9:28:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gift4mistress http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/24/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5335819.shtml This is to me, a horrible waste of school time and resources. Also, this is nothing more then brain washing and liberal indoctrination being done by the schools. Now, if you think there is nothing wrong with this then what if they sang about God in such away? Google "Hitler Youth" for an important history lesson! Quotes of Adolf Hitler "I begin with the young. We older ones are used up. We are rotten to the marrow. We are cowardly and sentimental. We are bearing the burden of a humiliating past, and have in our blood the dull recollection of serfdom and servility. But my magnificent youngsters! Are there any finer ones in the world? Look at these young men and boys! What material! With them, I can make a new world. This is the heroic stage of youth. Out of it will come the creative man, the man-god." "When an opponent declares, 'I will not come over to your side,' I say calmly, 'Your child belongs to us already...What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing but this new community'." "...Knowledge would spoil my young people. I prefer that they learn only what they pick up by following their own play instinct. But they must learn self-control. I will have them master the fear of death through the most difficult trials. That is the heroic stage of youth. Out of it will grow the stage of the free man, a human being who is the measure and center of the world." "The German youth must be slender and supple, fast as a greyhound, tough as leather, and hard as Krupp steel. He must learn to do without, to endure criticism and injustice, to be reliable, discreet, decent, and loyal." I have not read this thread. But, give me a break.... The teacher should immediately be disciplined or fired. She is an obvious psychotic. However, this unique incident is no comparison to Hitler. You are really stretching for a bone I would not let my dog have; I will let you have it if you want.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/26/2009 7:40:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2006/04/17/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes/ At the annual White House Easter Egg Roll, children from the stricken Gulf Coast region serenaded First Lady Laura Bush with a song praising the beleaguered Federal Emergency Management Agency. To the tune of Hey Look Me Over, about 100 young children from Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama sang: Our country’s stood beside us People have sent us aid. Katrina could not stop us, our hopes will never fade. Congress, Bush and FEMA People across our land Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand! does one trump the other? in any way?? Yes...since those kids had to travel to get to the White House, I would imagine they needed parental consent. In giving that parental consent to the trip, I am fairly sure that the parents were made aware of what sort of song their kids would be singing for Bush. The parents of the kids in the New Jersey school had no idea that their kids would be singing a song praising Obama AND HIS POLICIES. And note that the song did not just praise Bush but praised FEMA (made up of democrats as well as republicans), Congress (made up of democrats as well as republicans) and people across the land (democrats as well as republicans, lefties as well as righties). Anybody else notice any praise for anyone BUT Obama in the songs the kids at the New Jersey school were taught? And note that the song the kids sang to Bush...one song by the way, not 2 or 3...was done to the tune of "Hey, Look Me Over", not "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and certainly not "Jesus Loves the Little Children". Also note that there was no indication that there was any chanting of "George BUSH" in a vein similar to "Barack Hussein OBAMA". Any difference there, lucy?

Lucylastic -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/26/2009 9:56:09 AM)
To creative dominant.......To me? actually none...but then I used to have to sing happy about a squirrel (I think I mentioned that earlier) We may speak the same language but cultures are different. Ive been through schooling kids, mine are now out of school and into the big wild world. Although I didn't home school them, I was a stay at home mom who gave a shit about what her kids got up to at school and otherwise, I did all the concerts, the school trips, bake sales etc. Honestly this situation means not a thing to me, and it wouldnt have when my kids were UMs. I encouraged them learning about diversity, religion, and having open minds. They are well rounded kids and I am proud of them. I raised them without religion, however I answered and encouraged them to learn about different ones, from their friends, from school and libraries. I honestly do not see the issue, not even with the right wing president.gasp I just put it up there to see if it was different and of course it had to be a partisan response arguing why it was different. Thank you for responding. Lucy

CreativeDominant -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/26/2009 1:36:34 PM)
Actually lucy, the response isn't partisan...the situations ARE different. We may be seeing things differently but if you can honestly point out anything blatantly partisan in the differences I cited, bring them forth.

Lucylastic -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/26/2009 1:48:58 PM)
I stand corrected cd.... It still isnt different in my book, however, you are correct in your "non" partisan response...I have too many links open , my bad, and my apologies.

rulemylife -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/26/2009 5:27:21 PM)
Then please allow me to step in and point out that partisanship you seem so confused about. quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Yes...since those kids had to travel to get to the White House, I would imagine they needed parental consent. In giving that parental consent to the trip, I am fairly sure that the parents were made aware of what sort of song their kids would be singing for Bush. The parents of the kids in the New Jersey school had no idea that their kids would be singing a song praising Obama AND HIS POLICIES. Yes, schools require legal parental consent to take their students on field trips. Schools do not have to have legal parental consent for each and every lesson plan or activity that occurs in the school. quote: And note that the song did not just praise Bush but praised FEMA (made up of democrats as well as republicans), Congress (made up of democrats as well as republicans) and people across the land (democrats as well as republicans, lefties as well as righties). Anybody else notice any praise for anyone BUT Obama in the songs the kids at the New Jersey school were taught? And note that the song the kids sang to Bush...one song by the way, not 2 or 3...was done to the tune of "Hey, Look Me Over", not "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and certainly not "Jesus Loves the Little Children". Also note that there was no indication that there was any chanting of "George BUSH" in a vein similar to "Barack Hussein OBAMA". This one isn't even worth responding to if you can't see how ridiculous your efforts at splitting hairs have become.

thishereboi -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/26/2009 9:09:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MichiganHeadmast quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity You want to see a quick 180 in this discussion on the part of the left let someone release a video where the school kids are singing the praises of Bush. [;)] No, Sanity. When Republicans are in office, kids don't praise, they write letters protesting stuff (global warming, hunger, war, whatever). When God's Elect are in office, THEN they sing praises. So does this mean there is no more hunger or do they just not care any more?

thishereboi -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/26/2009 9:21:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales It is interesting you only notice one side of that equation. Sorry for the late response, I lost track of this. It's not that I "only notice one side of that equation". I notice both sides. But you have seemed to me to display a uniquely condescending brand of "let's play nice" (or at least "nicer") while regularly posting nasty jabs that you seem to imagine are somehow amusing when they come from you instead of somebody else. If you feel that impression is inaccurate, you have nonetheless managed to create it in at least two readers. And I'll allow that maybe I just need to get to know you better. Be well, Kirata Sorry, didn't mean to interupt, just wanted to fix that.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/27/2009 5:15:38 AM)
quote: Sorry, didn't mean to interupt, just wanted to fix that. ORIGINAL: thishereboi Ahhh....but if I was conservative as opposed to a progressive and had the same writing and debate style, there would be "at least two" readers who would think I was the very picture of wit and propriety. Isn't it amazing how those who agree with us are so much smarter, nicer and more reasonable than those who don't?

thishereboi -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/27/2009 7:40:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: Sorry, didn't mean to interupt, just wanted to fix that. ORIGINAL: thishereboi Ahhh....but if I was conservative as opposed to a progressive and had the same writing and debate style, there would be "at least two" readers who would think I was the very picture of wit and propriety. Isn't it amazing how those who agree with us are so much smarter, nicer and more reasonable than those who don't? Naw, it wouldn't matter which side of the fence you were on, I'd feel the same way about it. But that was a really good try at spinning things your way.

Kirata -> RE: Indoctrination centers (9/27/2009 7:59:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales Ahhh....but if I was conservative as opposed to a progressive and had the same writing and debate style, there would be "at least two" readers who would think I was the very picture of wit and propriety. And you know this how? K.

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