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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/29/2009 6:27:20 PM

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No, its not. because we are not questioning the actions of a child in this case, but the actions of a grown man.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/29/2009 6:41:33 PM

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No, its not. because we are not questioning the actions of a child in this case, but the actions of a grown man.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/29/2009 6:45:24 PM

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No, its not. because we are not questioning the actions of a child in this case, but the actions of a grown man.

We are talking about two different things. You are talking about this case in particular. I was talking about the "adult" designation that is sometime and sometimes not applied.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/29/2009 6:49:55 PM

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This thread is about Polanski, his actions, his guilt (that he admitted too) and his refusal to be sentenced. It is not about the girl. When an adult breaks the law, he has no defense. when a child breaks the law, there can be a presumption of an innocence only afforded to the child.

No matter how you may wish to spin this. Polanski has no defence against what he did to her. None. Any adult, even if a child strips and BEGS for it, legally, has no legal or moral defence for giving in to the demands of a child.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/29/2009 7:12:20 PM

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This thread is about Polanski, his actions, his guilt (that he admitted too) and his refusal to be sentenced. It is not about the girl. When an adult breaks the law, he has no defense. when a child breaks the law, there can be a presumption of an innocence only afforded to the child.

No matter how you may wish to spin this. Polanski has no defence against what he did to her. None. Any adult, even if a child strips and BEGS for it, legally, has no legal or moral defence for giving in to the demands of a child.

I could care less about Polanski or if they lock him up for years. He plead guilty so I don't see where there is much argument.

I guess my point should be for another thread then. I don't like it when society want to claim to fight for a child but then when said child does something wrong they want designate them an adult and drop a building on them. If they are a child they should remain that way. Not play around with the designation when it pleases society to do so.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/29/2009 7:20:02 PM

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What would you do with anyone who premeditates a murder? Do you classify them as an adult? I certainly do not. Its one of those drawbacks to insiting children grow up fast.

As far as sex with minors... the US legal system does not play. Its... NO... period.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/29/2009 9:44:09 PM

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The whole case is a mess. I read that he reached a plea bargain in which he served only 42 days. The judge would have "reneged" on the deal according to one article I read (although I suspect that the plea bargain may never have been ratified through a judge - who would accept 42 days on a statutory rape case, especially with drugging thrown in?).

42 days was not the sentence, 42 days was only a PART of an evaluation time period prior to sentencing..........there never was a sentence set down as he ran and left the country instead

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/29/2009 10:08:05 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: blacksword404

I guess my point should be for another thread then. I don't like it when society want to claim to fight for a child but then when said child does something wrong they want designate them an adult and drop a building on them. If they are a child they should remain that way. Not play around with the designation when it pleases society to do so.

Which is a very good point.

The same people who believe that someone of this age is too naive and undeveloped intellectually to appreciate their actions will be the same ones calling for someone of that age to be tried as an adult if they are the perpetrator rather than the victim.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/29/2009 10:47:39 PM

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I thought this was an interesting article.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/09/29/roman-polanski-what-if-he-were-father-roman/

It sucks that this is all being dredged up again and opening the wounds that the victim has spent 30 years trying to put behind her. Some people are saying that this is the government doing this to her by arresting him and wanting him extradited, but it's Polanski's decision to run years ago that is doing it to her. If he hadn't run away and would have served his time, this wouldn't be happening now. It is HIS doing. So many people are saying, "Oh it's been so long... Oh he has suffered already... Oh he's so old...." Ultimately, the government has the responsibility of bringing him to justice. Otherwise you are just rewarding criminals for successfully running away.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/30/2009 12:18:51 AM

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Just a couple of quibbles...

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If he hadn't run away and would have served his time, this wouldn't be happening now. It is HIS doing.

The first sentence is correct, of course. But the second one isn't even close. Polansky does not have his hand up the government's ass. What Polansky did was his doing. What the government does is the government's doing. No magic.

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Otherwise you are just rewarding criminals for successfully running away.

There is no general case here. If the government had elected not to pursue this, or if it ends with clemency being granted, it remains solely a matter of this particular case, these particular circumstances. That's all. Period. No policy of criminals being "rewarded for running away" is created or implied.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/30/2009 12:47:36 AM

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Well since you do not disagree that Polanski's actions were illegal and wrong tell us what you feel should be done?

That's a good question, and I don't have an answer for it. He pleaded guilty to unlawful intercourse, but that was part of a plea bargain. If the bargain is out, then I would think the pleading is too. I don't know if the court could hold him to the plea and ignore the sentence part of the bargain. That doesn't seem kosher. So I guess the first issue would be what charges should he face, or, more practically, what charges could the prosecution sustain. If the victim refuses to testify, they may have no case for any of them. Which, I guess, would leave flight to avoid prosecution? I just don't know. I don't feel that I really have enough of a grasp of all the pertinent facts and circumstances, or the legal understanding, to express an intelligent and well-formed opinion with respect to what "should" happen in a situation like this.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/30/2009 4:06:49 AM

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quote:

The first sentence is correct, of course. But the second one isn't even close. Polansky does not have his hand up the government's ass. What Polansky did was his doing. What the government does is the government's doing. No magic.
ORIGINAL: Kirata

Actually, Kirata, it was a great deal Polanki's doing. One of the reasons that the District Attorney's office had him on the radar was that, in his last bid to have the charges taken care of so he could return to the US, his lawyers made the argument that the DA's office wasn't even looking for him. Their argument was that the charges were so old/unimportant that even the department in charge of seeing him put in jail for his crime no longer wanted him put in jail. Even if you set aside the idea that this seems to show a great lack of remorse or understanding of his crime, it is never a bright idea for a convicted fugitive to say "but even the law doesn't care if I serve the time I have coming." It tends to annoy them and make them want to reply.

It couldn't have happened to a "nicer" guy.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/30/2009 5:39:45 AM

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~ FR ~

Not looking good

Oddly, the Grand Jury testimony related here is not at all consonant with the later finding that the activity was consensual, and the photo of Samantha Geimer used in the story (page 1) does not appear consonant with Anjelika Huston's description of her (page 3).

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/30/2009 5:41:40 AM

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Actually, Kirata....

Okay, Spinner, have it your way. Tell me if you feel this.

K.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/30/2009 6:19:30 AM

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090929/wl_time/08599192650800

You list a handful of individuals while the link above paints a different picture. I still stand by letting whoever feels Polanski should be free should let him hang out with their daughters just like those who still thought Michael Jackson was innocent should have let him baby sit their kids.

Leno had a good one last night on the subject... he said something along the lines of, "yeah if they have trouble getting him onto the plane to get over here they could just slip him a couple of qualudes like he did that 13 year old girl and he should be good to go.."

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/30/2009 6:30:19 AM

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The poor have one way of looking at things.

The rich have another.

Hollywood has their own.

And caught between all this is a 13 year old girl.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/30/2009 10:19:51 AM

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And caught between all this is a 13 year old girl.

You mean a 45 year old woman?

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/30/2009 3:10:58 PM

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From Newsbusters:

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NBC’s Lauer Fails to Challenge Claim Polanski ‘Did Not Forcibly Have Sex with’ Under-aged Girl

NBC's Matt Lauer gave a "Today" show guest a free pass when she insisted that director/criminal/former fugitive Roman Polanski did not rape a 13-year-old girl in 1977. Debra Tate, sister of Polanski's late wife Sharon Tate, told Lauer, "There is, as I said, rape and there is rape. It was determined Roman did not forcibly have sex with this young woman. It was a consensual matter."

Lauer's response was simply, "Right."

Tate continued, "I am a victims' advocate, and I know the difference." Lauer agreed, saying "And I understand that, and yes, there is a difference." Tate was the latest in a parade of Polanski defenders to appear on network television.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/30/2009 4:53:51 PM

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No, i meant a 13 year old girl.. which was her age at the time of the incident. being accused of being a lolita, throwing herself at this much older man... poor man, so unable to control himself... like many men. tsk tsk. and then the comment...

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Huston later described the teen as "sullen" in a probation report prepared at the time of Polanski's plea deal.

"She appeared to be one of those kind of little chicks between -- could be any age up to 25. She did not look like a 13-year-old scared little thing," Huston said.

Im sorry, she spoke to the man through the door... where the hell did she think the teen was while he was naked?

No, i do not mean the woman she has become, but the 13 year old girl she was.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/30/2009 5:54:56 PM

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It's been said Debra Tate has kept ties with Polanski, ever since her sister was killed in those Manson killings. I can see why she would defend him. I haven't got an opinion on this either way. While I'm not in favor of some people being put above the law, the victim herself said she forgives him. It's not like he's been hiding on the world since it happened. He fled America. He's been making movies the whole time, and production on one right now is on hold with his arrest. If this truly wanted to be persued by American law it could have been years ago. It wouldn't have been the first time a criminal was extradicted from another country.

Had this been persued when it should have been there might have been more vindication to the victim (who wants no vindication now), and there might have been less of Hollywood standing in his defense because he wouldn't have made the impact he did on their lives.

**Editted to add that this was in reply to no one in particular. I just happened to post my opinion of it after tazzy.

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