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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 8:39:01 AM   
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And Obama is dependent on Hollywood's support.

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Don't assume it is over yet, Serv.  The U.S. still has to pursue the extradition.  That moves this up the political ladder.  Hollywood loves Polanski.


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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 8:39:49 AM   
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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 8:51:41 AM   
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And Obama is dependent on Hollywood's support.

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Don't assume it is over yet, Serv.  The U.S. still has to pursue the extradition.  That moves this up the political ladder.  Hollywood loves Polanski.



Why thank you for pointing out how much Obama loves hollywood in the middle of a thread about ums being abused.

WAY TO GO SANITY!!!

ALL HAIL SANITY FOR POINTING THIS OUT!!!



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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 8:55:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		The really fucked up thing in this are the facts.

a 13 year old was allowed to go to Jack Nicklsons place and be Photographed by Roman Polanski....... Where were the Parents?

The Judge pulled the Plea Agreement, which is a Judged right, however bot attorneys had agreed to the sentence and the sentence was ALREADY DONE, meaning that the 42 days were already spent in Jail before the judge plannon on reneging on the deal. This means that the Judge was aware of the deal and allowed both attorneys to put their cases on this deal and then reneging. This should have gotten the Judge Pulled from the case for Inappropriate conduct and a nearly GUARANTEED appeal, because of it.

The 13 year old girl, who is now 45 sued Roman and received a settlement that she believes was satisfactory, and is now ON ROMAN POLANSKI'S SIDE, the man who ATTACKED her she thinks what is happeneing to him is wrong.

What is with people looking for Witches to Hunt.

If the VICTIM says she is happy with the way the situation was handled, WHY IS THERE STILL A SITUATION? Shouldn't it be up to the Victim? Shouldn't how they Feel be the NUMBER ONE thing that matters. Has it happened again since the event in 1977? Maybe but it hasn't been public. Either way I do not think this is a Pedophile walking the streets, he has a wife and children of his own now.

For Fucks Sakes people put out the Torches and put away the Pitchforks this man is done with this and so is the "Victim" What is your reason for still wanting blood?

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 8:56:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Given the TOS around here, Tazzy, Sanity's angle might be in the best interest for the long-term health of the thread.  Plus, it's a fair point, and a fair question.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:11:46 AM   
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And Obama is dependent on Hollywood's support.
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I don't say such things often, Sanity...but that you can even think of, much less actually post this is low beyond all reasonable standards. There is no justification, no rationalization, no possible way to see this but as an example of the lowest level to which someone can sink in this discussion. Is there nothing more important to you than your endless quest to vilify Obama whether it has anything to do with the topic or not? Is there anything that matters more than your personal axe to grind? Is there any depth to which you will not sink?

At this moment, and on this topic, you disgust me.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:19:22 AM   
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And Obama is dependent on Hollywood's support.
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I don't say such things often, Sanity...but that you can even think of, much less actually post this is low beyond all reasonable standards. There is no justification, no rationalization, no possible way to see this but as an example of the lowest level to which someone can sink in this discussion. Is there nothing more important to you than your endless quest to put every problem of the world onto Obama's shoulders? Is there anything that matters more than your personal axe to grind? Is there any depths to which you will not sink?

At this moment, and on this topic, you disgust me.



Well. . . . it is a heads of state decision on extradition. 

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:19:27 AM   
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And Obama is dependent on Hollywood's support.
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I don't say such things often, Sanity...but that you can even think of, much less actually post this is unforgivable. Is there nothing more important to you than your endless quest to put every problem of the world onto Obama's shoulders? Is there anything that matters more than your personal axe to grind? Is there any depths to which you will not sink.

At this moment, and on this topic, you disgust me.





C'mon down from the high horse, Spinner.  Welcome to realpolitik.  Where do you think the pro-Polanski side is going to go with their case?  The first fight is whether the U.S. now tries to extradite him back from Switzerland, and that involves departments under the authority of the President.

I'd go 60-40 President Obama will have some poorly thought out comment on Polanski before all is said and done.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:19:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't get it -- what question is a fair question? Sanity's rather odd post did not have a question, implicit or tacit, from what I could read.

I don't understand what is a fair point, either. Do you mean that Sanity's post that *seems* to imply that Obama will have some say in the proceedings is fair? Admittedly, I could be misinterpreting what he wrote since it seemed quite unrelated to the topic at hand!


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Given the TOS around here, Tazzy, Sanity's angle might be in the best interest for the long-term health of the thread.  Plus, it's a fair point, and a fair question.


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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:21:54 AM   
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No Spinner, this is fairly typical on your part, some would even call it trolling. And I guess your "disgust" kinda indicates that you're accusing me of being a Nazi or something like that, doesn't it.




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I don't say such things often, Sanity...but that you can even think of, much less actually post this is low beyond all reasonable standards. There is no justification, no rationalization, no possible way to see this but as an example of the lowest level to which someone can sink in this discussion. Is there nothing more important to you than your endless quest to vilify Obama whether it has anything to do with the topic or not? Is there anything that matters more than your personal axe to grind? Is there any depth to which you will not sink?

At this moment, and on this topic, you disgust me.


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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:24:53 AM   
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C'mon down from the high horse, Spinner. Welcome to realpolitik. Where do you think the pro-Polanski side is going to go with their case? The first fight is whether the U.S. now tries to extradite him back from Switzerland, and that involves departments under the authority of the President.

I'd go 60-40 President Obama will have some poorly thought out comment on Polanski before all is said and done.
ORIGINAL: TheHeretic



Let me consider that....we are talking about a child molester. And I am infuriated that this is subject should be used as a political tool although none of this has to do with the present or past administrations. I think that the molestation of UM's is one that everyone, democrat, republican, independent, should agree is an abomination that is the clearest example of pure evil in this world. And you want me to "come off my high horse" and enjoy watching it degenerate into another "look how lousy Obama is" conversation?

No thank you. I will stay up here. There is too much filth down there with you.


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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:27:17 AM   
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I don't get it -- what question is a fair question? Sanity's rather odd post did not have a question, implicit or tacit, from what I could read.

I don't understand what is a fair point, either. Do you mean that Sanity's post that *seems* to imply that Obama will have some say in the proceedings is fair? Admittedly, I could be misinterpreting what he wrote since it seemed quite unrelated to the topic at hand!


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Given the TOS around here, Tazzy, Sanity's angle might be in the best interest for the long-term health of the thread.  Plus, it's a fair point, and a fair question.









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Role of the Office of International Affairs


The Office of International Affairs (OIA) provides information and advice to Federal and State prosecutors about the procedure for requesting extradition from abroad. OIA also advises and provides support to Federal prosecutors handling foreign extradition requests for fugitives found in the United States.

Every formal request for international extradition based on Federal criminal charges must be reviewed and approved by OIA. At the request of the Department of State, formal requests based on State charges are also reviewed by OIA before submission to the Department of State.

Acting either directly or through the Department of State, OIA initiates all requests for provisional arrest of fugitives pursuant to extradition treaties. Neither prosecutors nor agents are permitted to contact their foreign counterparts to request the arrest of a fugitive for extradition. Unauthorized requests cause serious diplomatic difficulties and may subject the requester to financial liability or other sanctions.

Every extradition treaty is negotiated separately, and each contains different provisions. Experience with one treaty is not a guide to all others. Therefore, after reviewing this section of the United States Attorneys' Manual, the first step in any extradition case should be to contact OIA. Attorneys in OIA will advise prosecutors about the potential for extradition in a given case and the steps to be followed.


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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:28:54 AM   
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If the VICTIM says she is happy with the way the situation was handled, WHY IS THERE STILL A SITUATION? Shouldn't it be up to the Victim? Shouldn't how they Feel be the NUMBER ONE thing that matters.

But, but....anyone who has or knows a 13 yr. old girl knows what is best for the victim. The victim herself surely doesn't. They know how awful it must have been for her and they know what is best for her, even now, much more than she does. Everyone's a self-appointed expert on the suffering she endured and still endures, right? What she thinks, feels and wants makes no nevermind when there's a sleazy molester on the loose, Steel. Get with the program!

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:29:28 AM   
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that you can even think of, much less actually post this is unforgivable... you disgust me.

You huffed and puffed when I dared to mention recently a tendency on your part to criticize people for even daring to express their views at all. Do you see it now?

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I consider it an inappropriate use of thread to bring things down to a purely personal level.

Kinda hard to tell, don'tcha think?

Just sayin...

K.






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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:29:35 AM   
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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:31:31 AM   
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here is what i find confusing, and i hope someone can clear this up. the 40 odd days he "served".. was that his sentence or was that for evaluation as i have seen some sites claim... and was it mental evaluation?

also.. did he serve his sentence or did he skip out prior to being sentenced?

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:32:19 AM   
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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:32:58 AM   
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I think that the (subject at hand) is one that everyone, democrat, republican, independent, should agree is an abomination that is the clearest example of pure evil in this world.



Right.  And I'm pretty much with you there.  But this is the politics section, and what comes now is the protest of this arrest, and a requirement for President Obama's administration to take action, instead of just making a very nice speech about the need to take action.

Hollywood loves Polanski.  Obama has counted on the support of Hollywood.  Will he throw them under the bus, or will justice, and what seems to be one of our few bits of common ground, get tossed instead?  Fair question.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:34:27 AM   
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No Spinner, this is fairly typical on your part, some would call it trolling. And I guess your "disgust" kinda indicates that you're accusing me of being a Nazi or something like that, doesn't it. ORIGINAL: Sanity





No..I am accusing you of trying to turn the subject of the molestation of UM's into a political hatchet job for your own little agenda. I am accusing you of caring more about complaining about Obama than worrying about whether this man gets properly extradited and imprisoned.  I am not accusing you of being a nazi or a racist or any of the other things you love so to play the victim card.

I am accusing you of being someone who can't see that any subject, even this one, is beyond you're own little party politics agenda. And if the worst ever said about me is that I am not nice, reasonable or polite to molesters of UM's or those who in any way try to turn this subject to anything other than how to stop the abomination and eradicate the offenders, I will be very proud indeed.


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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:38:14 AM   
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Right. And I'm pretty much with you there. But this is the politics section, and what comes now is the protest of this arrest, and a requirement for President Obama's administration to take action, instead of just making a very nice speech about the need to take action.

Hollywood loves Polanski. Obama has counted on the support of Hollywood. Will he throw them under the bus, or will justice, and what seems to be one of our few bits of common ground, get tossed instead? Fair question. ORIGINAL: TheHeretic



The answer is very simple. If Obama, in any way, shape or form does not move to bring this man back to the United States for punishment, he will lose my support now and forever. I will do everything in my power to make sure that he is not renominated, much less re-elected. If any politician opposes his extradition and punishment, I will speak out against them and do my best to see they are thrown out of office at the next election.

This is not a political matter. And I will no longer speak on this issue with those who believe it is.


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