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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:40:26 AM   
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If Obama, in any way, shape or form does not move to bring this man back to the United States for punishment, he will lose my support now and forever. I will do everything in my power to make sure that he is not renominated, much less re-elected.

I sincerely hope you are prepared to be held to those words.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:42:27 AM   
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This is about more than a thirty year old crime, Spinner, this is also about international relations, Hollywood, the Justice Department, the president of the United States, and whatever else comes up in the discussion, and its not yours to limit it.


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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:43:45 AM   
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That will not be a problem. There are some things that are so evil, such a blight upon the world that there is no compromise to be made with them. This subject is one of them.


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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:44:29 AM   
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If Obama, in any way, shape or form does not move to bring this man back to the United States for punishment, he will lose my support now and forever. I will do everything in my power to make sure that he is not renominated, much less re-elected.

I sincerely hope you are prepared to be held to those words.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:45:11 AM   
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back to the topic...

here is what i find confusing, and i hope someone can clear this up. the 40 odd days he "served".. was that his sentence or was that for evaluation as i have seen some sites claim... and was it mental evaluation?

also.. did he serve his sentence or did he skip out prior to being sentenced?


Tazzy,

From what I gathered, that was part of his plea.  Then the judge wanted to undo the plea at the last minute, after the plea time was served.  Intead of appearing in court, he fled the country, so as to avoid more jail time. 

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If the VICTIM says she is happy with the way the situation was handled, WHY IS THERE STILL A SITUATION? Shouldn't it be up to the Victim? Shouldn't how they Feel be the NUMBER ONE thing that matters.

But, but....anyone who has or knows a 13 yr. old girl knows what is best for the victim. The victim herself surely doesn't. They know how awful it must have been for her and they know what is best for her, even now, much more than she does. Everyone's a self-appointed expert on the suffering she endured and still endures, right? What she thinks, feels and wants makes no nevermind when there's a sleazy molester on the loose, Steel. Get with the program!

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Luci,

She is not 13 anymore.  She is 40 or so.  She won her lawsuit for damages against him.  She is done with this and has moved on with her life.  To me, it looks like she thinks that he should be able to as well. 

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:46:14 AM   
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trying to turn the subject of the molestation of UM's into...

Gee, and here I thought the topic was his re-arrest 30 odd years later in Switzerland!

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:54:30 AM   
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There's now a poll on this subject over in that section, if anyone would like to vote.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:58:48 AM   
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Following his indictment on various sex charges, Polanski agreed to a plea deal that spared him prison time (he had spent about 45 days in jail during a court-ordered psychiatric evaluation). But when it seemed that a Superior Court judge might not honor the deal--and sentence Polanski to prison--the director fled the country.


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html

Does a Judge have to accept a plea deal?

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:59:32 AM   
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Luci,

She is not 13 anymore.  She is 40 or so.  She won her lawsuit for damages against him.  She is done with this and has moved on with her life.  To me, it looks like she thinks that he should be able to as well. 

Yeah, Aylee, I know. I was being sarcastic, facetious, tongue-in-cheek, smartass...fill in the blank

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 9:59:57 AM   
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FR but related to Spinner

When the US Supreme court made it's decision last yr to take the death penalty off the table for child rape, Obama disagreed.

For those who say, Obama loves Hollywood, Obama is also the father of 2 daughters.

Whatever happens regarding the extradition and legal process, it is unlikely we will ever know everything that happens.
However, I do not think the government of Switzerland, would suddenly hold him if extradition was not planned.

Edit due to glitch.

< Message edited by angelikaJ -- 9/27/2009 10:04:58 AM >


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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 10:01:09 AM   
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No, they don't. Plea deals are between prosecutors and defendants and its up to the judge whether or not to honor such arrangements.


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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 10:03:51 AM   
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So Polanski fled legal prosecution, fearing his agreement would not be honored... in essence.. he fled jurisdiction to evade jail time. Am i seeing this correctly? Polanski hasnt been convicted for the crimes he committed?

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 10:26:28 AM   
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Am i seeing this correctly? Polanski hasnt been convicted for the crimes he committed?



No.  He pled guilty to the charges, and fled the jurisdiction when his sweetheart plea deal wasn't looking so sweet.  He is a convicted child molester. 

There are certainly issues of that deal he can raise in court, but the position of the United States has been that he needs to come before the court to raise them.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 10:27:38 AM   
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Um.. Heretic... im asking if the man has actually been convicted.. or did he flea because his deal wasnt not going to be accepted.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 10:34:43 AM   
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Um.. Heretic... im asking if the man has actually been convicted.. or did he flea because his deal wasnt not going to be accepted.



He pled "guilty," Tazzy.  Are you thinking there has to be a jury verdict?  He apparently did not want to take his case in front of a jury.  Can't understand why....  unless maybe he thought Spinner might be among the 12.... (metaphorically speaking)

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 10:36:18 AM   
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After reading the following, I'm not sure how that episode played out. It seems that the judge may have arranged the plea deal after all:

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Polanski was allowed to plead guilty to one of six charges, unlawful sexual intercourse, and was sent to prison for 42 days of evaluation.

Lawyers agreed that would be his full sentence, but the judge tried to renege on the plea bargain. Aware the judge would sentence him to more prison time and require his voluntary deportation, Polanski fled to France.

Zurich Film Festival organizers said Polanski's detention had caused "shock and dismay," but said they would go ahead with Sunday's planned retrospective of the director's work, including "Knife in the Water," "Chinatown" and "The Pianist." The festival runs from Sept. 24 to Oct. 4.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/ap_on_en_mo/eu_switzerland_polanski


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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 10:38:29 AM   
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Can't understand why.... unless maybe he thought Spinner might be among the 12.... (metaphorically speaking)  ORIGINAL: TheHeretic



I have nothing against giving an accused molester a fair trial and giving him every chance to prove his innocence. If he is innocent, he is released without further incident. If they're not, they either taken out back and shot or given a life sentence without the possibility of parole (depending on your take on the death penalty).

I think that is very reasonable considering the crime.


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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 10:42:38 AM   
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http://www.vachss.com/mission/roman_polanski.html

Ok, help me figure this out. Is this site accurate? He plead guilty as it says, but was never sentenced, yes? It also doesnt say that there was a plea deal as far as time. It states the time spent in the evaluation was for sentencing purposes. Im asking because, depending on the answers... things could go one of two ways.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 10:44:09 AM   
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After reading the following, I'm not sure how that episode played out. It seems that the judge may have arranged the plea deal after all:

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Polanski was allowed to plead guilty to one of six charges, unlawful sexual intercourse, and was sent to prison for 42 days of evaluation.

Lawyers agreed that would be his full sentence, but the judge tried to renege on the plea bargain. Aware the judge would sentence him to more prison time and require his voluntary deportation, Polanski fled to France.

Zurich Film Festival organizers said Polanski's detention had caused "shock and dismay," but said they would go ahead with Sunday's planned retrospective of the director's work, including "Knife in the Water," "Chinatown" and "The Pianist." The festival runs from Sept. 24 to Oct. 4.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/ap_on_en_mo/eu_switzerland_polanski




From what im reading, Sanity, he wasnt sentenced and the 42 days or so were for a psych evaluation.

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RE: Polanski Arrested. - 9/27/2009 10:48:40 AM   
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The really fucked up thing in this are the facts.

a 13 year old was allowed to go to Jack Nicklsons place and be Photographed by Roman Polanski....... Where were the Parents?

The Judge pulled the Plea Agreement, which is a Judged right, however bot attorneys had agreed to the sentence and the sentence was ALREADY DONE, meaning that the 42 days were already spent in Jail before the judge plannon on reneging on the deal. This means that the Judge was aware of the deal and allowed both attorneys to put their cases on this deal and then reneging. This should have gotten the Judge Pulled from the case for Inappropriate conduct and a nearly GUARANTEED appeal, because of it.

The 13 year old girl, who is now 45 sued Roman and received a settlement that she believes was satisfactory, and is now ON ROMAN POLANSKI'S SIDE, the man who ATTACKED her she thinks what is happeneing to him is wrong.

What is with people looking for Witches to Hunt.

If the VICTIM says she is happy with the way the situation was handled, WHY IS THERE STILL A SITUATION? Shouldn't it be up to the Victim? Shouldn't how they Feel be the NUMBER ONE thing that matters. Has it happened again since the event in 1977? Maybe but it hasn't been public. Either way I do not think this is a Pedophile walking the streets, he has a wife and children of his own now.

For Fucks Sakes people put out the Torches and put away the Pitchforks this man is done with this and so is the "Victim" What is your reason for still wanting blood?

Steel


It's called the law......had he not ran this would have been overwith, one way or the other, long ago regardless of the outcome....

would you say the same for murder case? statute of limitations? no, not for something like this. While yes he did face his accuser, the judge decided no, he ran.....he made that choice....breaking the law, however serious or minor it be, does not mean that "wait, we have to ask the victim if they wish to proceedwith prosecution or not".....it is simple, break the law, pay the piper!

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