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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/7/2006 7:19:46 PM   
angelic


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and where is true and her coffee pot (or should we ask for a martini now?)?

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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/7/2006 7:47:59 PM   
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Sadly, we live in a society that makes materialism a religion; and in order to sustain that worship, tells us that that the perfection of our souls, our very right to be loved, is obtainable only if we buy this year's new, improved model. If you listen to the message of modern advertising, it's essentially "You'd be more loveable if you drove this car, wore these clothes, looked this way..." and i believe that has infiltrated our consciousness in a way that can alienate one from our essential being, into a commodity of some sort, a goal to be reached, a product to be obtained, whether that product is the "perfection" of ourselves or the perfect "someone."

In the words of Morrie Schwartz "The culture we have does not make people feel good about themselves and you have to be strong enough to say if it doesn't work don't buy it." ("Tuesdays With Morrie" - Mitch Albom)

Happiness is here, it's an attitude, not a destination. Stop ... listen ... breathe and feel your own sweet love, the thing that distinguishes your existence, your most powerful gift to give, as it fills you, right here, right now.

That wall you've been hitting your head against ... now it's become the mirage, and you can run .... right through it!


I enjoyed your post very much.

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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/7/2006 8:18:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: angelic

*digs up and drags the dead horse in*


LMAO!!!!

omg i burst out loud....hey wait, we only have 6 pages on this one and YOU got 13!! No fair!

YES i noticed your paddle....lol instead of "an angel got its wings"....."angelic got her paddle!"


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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/7/2006 8:37:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: angelic

btw owned... did ya notice i got a brand new paddle next to my nic?

and where is true and her coffee pot (or should we ask for a martini now?)?


Her coffee pot was put away by Mods... lol... in a round about way. But I'm not about to lay claim to being involved digging up a dead horse... lol

nice paddle there... i got my 2nd one yesterdy too.. lol

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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/7/2006 8:40:24 PM   
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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/7/2006 9:20:14 PM   
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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/7/2006 10:28:45 PM   
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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/7/2006 10:34:41 PM   
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how can one obey without trust?


Once Himself owned me, both of these became moot. One is expected and unquestioned, the other is in place or the collar wouldn't be there at all.

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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/7/2006 10:41:14 PM   
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I still don't like the paddles.

You're close to getting one yourself!! lol

Prefer a bullwhip do you?

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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/7/2006 10:47:23 PM   
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My trust, devotion, commitment, love, passion, vulnerability, desire and obedience in my Lord are not dependent on being in a M/s relationship with him. They would exists just as they are now if all we had was a conventional relationship. They are a reflection of who we are and not the structure of our relationship.


Can you clarify something for me? I'm a bit confused. I thought that Knights was married to Alandra. How does one go about having a conventional relationship with a married man which includes love, passion, vulnerability, desire and .. most importantly, obedience? It seems to me that without an M/s - poly structure, you wouldn't have a relationship with Knights at all, hence, my confusion. Perhaps you could provide your definition of 'conventional relationship' and that would clear the air for me.

Not that it's any of my business.. I just find it very contradictory given my own definition of conventional relationships which is traditional man/woman, monogamous/vanilla.

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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/7/2006 10:50:26 PM   
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I still don't like the paddles.


44 more posts and you're going to find yourself paddled, Amayos.

::blinks and wonders if she just typed that outloud::

Celeste

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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/7/2006 10:56:02 PM   
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lol

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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/8/2006 6:16:10 AM   
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Once Himself owned me, both of these became moot. One is expected and unquestioned, the other is in place or the collar wouldn't be there at all.


i understand, but Yyou Bboth had to have trust before He owned you and before the collar.

~~~ok just woke up, not enough coffee, yet... i think we were saying the same thing just differently~~~

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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/8/2006 9:38:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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I still don't like the paddles.


44 more posts and you're going to find yourself paddled, Amayos.

::blinks and wonders if she just typed that outloud::

Celeste



* Laughs
You ARE a bitatruble...

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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/8/2006 9:39:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie


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ORIGINAL: amayos

I still don't like the paddles.

You're close to getting one yourself!! lol

Prefer a bullwhip do you?


Whips, riding crops, belts, knives...anything less tacky would do.

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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/8/2006 10:18:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: angelic

btw owned... did ya notice i got a brand new paddle next to my nic?


This is kind of like Monopoly. You trade in 4 houses for a hotel/paddle.

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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/8/2006 1:00:56 PM   
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Whips, riding crops, belts, knives...anything less tacky would do.


i agree, although these paddles have a familiarity to me...so maybe they help keep me in line...heh.

i wonder what comes after the paddles, anyway...


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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/8/2006 2:08:07 PM   
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Whips, riding crops, belts, knives...anything less tacky would do.

If you have alternate images that you think would go well with the 'theme' of the forums, contact one of the mods via email. There's no guarantee your contrbutions will (or can) be used, but making such a contribution would be "less tacky" than just complaining

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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/8/2006 4:22:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Perhaps you could provide your definition of 'conventional relationship' and that would clear the air for me.


For us, conventional relationship does not define a relationship structure. Where monogamous, poly, open, authority dynamic, same sex, opposite sex and marriage are a few examples of the types of structures that a relationship can have. The way we use conventional relationship is to define the foundation or building blocks of a relationship. Trust, faith, respect, love, passion, devotion and commitment are a few examples of the elements that make up a conventional relationship. The mix of these elements will vary from relationship to relationship, but a conventional relationship has some aspect of each of these. You add your own style to conventional relationships by adding a structure to it, in our case M/s and poly. Adding this structure does not change the core foundation of the relationship; it just defines how the two people in the relationship will interact. Changing the style of relationship that I have with my Lord will not change the core of it.

Knight's kyra

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RE: Trust and Faith - 3/8/2006 4:57:46 PM   
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The way we use conventional relationship is to define the foundation or building blocks of a relationship. Trust, faith, respect, love, passion, devotion and commitment are a few examples of the elements that make up a conventional relationship.


Thank you, Kyra,

That clears up some things, but I can't help but notice that you didn't include obedience as one of the elements which make up a conventional relationship. The elements you listed, are indeed, something I see quite often in conventional romantic or intimate relationships outside of an M/s structure. My understanding of what you are saying is that 'conventional' means the traditional building blocks that any two people may engage in to further an intimate relationship since there are, of course, any number of relationships where some or most of those building blocks would not be required, so it would be dependant upon the 'kind' of relationship one wanted to build. For example, one does not need love, passion or devotion to have a conventional relationship with their stock broker.

Obedience, however, I would see more in a parental/child structure or even an old fashioned Victorian husband/wife marriage, so I'm not sure where it comes into play in the case of KoM and yourself outside of M/s or how the building blocks you mentioned can come into play outside of an M/s - poly structure. In other words, all of the elements which you listed are not traditionally available to someone who is already committed to another outside of M/s - poly. Can you elaborate just a bit more on that particular issue?

Celeste

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Rock, paper, scissors."

He laughed. "You are the wisest woman I know."


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