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DesFIP -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/3/2009 4:49:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CaringandReal

ROFL! Ok, the idea of a six-month dirty bachelor bathroom made me pause. I remember seeing a number of those in college...and really wishing I hadn't. Usually in college, you see them at the worst times, too, like when you've drank too much and need to go puke...at least it makes you throw up faster! But hmm... if he was everything I needed and wanted in a man, given that that is so hard to find, I would be sorely tempted. I would probably ask permission to wear a clothespin on my nose, however, as i did the dirty deed.


You would do better not to agree to return until he paid someone to torch and rebuild it!

But really, these kinds of statements make me assume they're talking about play limits. The same people who claim they're really heavy bottoms and can't in reality handle much at all.



littlesarbonn -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/3/2009 4:56:12 PM)

I think people are just over thinking the situation to create a conflict when there really isn't one. It sounds (from the OP) very much like the people who are saying "no limits" are referring to the limits that come from play in a bdsm setting. In other words, they believe they can take pretty much whatever the dominant dishes out and they're fine with it. What is happening here is people are trying to turn "no limits" of a play nature into a relationship nature. I really don't think it's all that much of an issue. It's not even a fantasy versus reality thing. like people are making by trying to equate this to the old, stupid, overdone joke with Rosie O'Donnell in Exit to Eden. The guy who wanted to serve here really wanted to serve her in a d/s setting; the joke used in that movie pretty much ridiculed the very nature of submission in all ways because the way that character was written, he would have painted her house; she just never gave him the curtesy of proving himself.



DavanKael -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/3/2009 5:04:20 PM)

I think the 'no limits' piece is the sales pitch and the 'no housework' cavet begins the list of things that makes them a do-me sub (Which isn't a sub at all). 
  Davan



CaringandReal -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/3/2009 5:08:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth

I love the term "no limits" - it gives me an opportunity to discuss my amputation fetish. ;)


:D You have that one too? Glad I'm not alone!



CaringandReal -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/3/2009 5:12:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

quote:

ORIGINAL: CaringandReal

ROFL! Ok, the idea of a six-month dirty bachelor bathroom made me pause. I remember seeing a number of those in college...and really wishing I hadn't. Usually in college, you see them at the worst times, too, like when you've drank too much and need to go puke...at least it makes you throw up faster! But hmm... if he was everything I needed and wanted in a man, given that that is so hard to find, I would be sorely tempted. I would probably ask permission to wear a clothespin on my nose, however, as i did the dirty deed.


You would do better not to agree to return until he paid someone to torch and rebuild it!

But really, these kinds of statements make me assume they're talking about play limits. The same people who claim they're really heavy bottoms and can't in reality handle much at all.


Heh! You have a rather strong feeling about bathrooms. Teenage boys, by any chance? ;)

I don't mine honest labor, even that kind of labor. To me, cleaning a cat box is worse. But maybe that's because I'm faced with the second chore quite a bit, and not encountered the first chore in ages.

Yeah, maybe people talking about their play limits with that phrase, but when I read the term it doesn't occur to me to think of it in terms of play, or rather play only.



porcelaine -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/3/2009 5:45:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CaringandReal

But what do you think about somebody who claims they have absolutely no limits, but who refuses to do housework? Sure maybe she or he doesn't have to do it because they bring the maids in once a week, but if someone says that they absolutely won't do housework and then at another time says they have no limits, I say one of those statements is a lie. The thing is, I've never met anybody like that, so I was curious as whether anyone had.


i don't. i have twenty-four hours in a given day and i devote my energy to things that bear fruit. why would i contemplate why a person elects to label themselves in a particular manner if i find their perceived contradiction not to my liking? in the grand scheme of things why does it matter? more importantly, with energies devoted to activities such as these, i'm neglecting things i can impact that are more worthwhile considerations. people are always hellbent on figuring out why someone chooses to do something. just accept that's their schtick and if it isn't yours move on. you can never know. you're not in their head.

porcelaine



DesFIP -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/3/2009 6:24:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CaringandReal
Heh! You have a rather strong feeling about bathrooms. Teenage boys, by any chance? ;)


How did you know? Although he's fine in the bathroom, it's putting back the milk he can't get down.

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Yeah, maybe people talking about their play limits with that phrase, but when I read the term it doesn't occur to me to think of it in terms of play, or rather play only.


Well, that's a communication problem then. Women think relationships first, male subs think play first generally speaking.



fadedshadow -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/3/2009 6:42:16 PM)

if someone's "no limits", does that mean i can stab them repeatedly and all will be fine?



sweetsub1957 -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/3/2009 7:33:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

I think the 'no limits' piece is the sales pitch and the 'no housework' cavet begins the list of things that makes them a do-me sub (Which isn't a sub at all). 
Davan


I agree.



Musicmystery -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/3/2009 8:19:49 PM)

~FR~

So what....little elves come over and take care of the housework?

If a girl wants to be a prostitute, she should just say so.



Ialdabaoth -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/3/2009 8:21:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CaringandReal


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ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth

I love the term "no limits" - it gives me an opportunity to discuss my amputation fetish. ;)


:D You have that one too? Glad I'm not alone!


Oh yes. ;) For a time, I was a pretty popular artist on 'gurochan.net'. :)



Andalusite -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/3/2009 8:55:00 PM)

I suspect that almost every "no limits" person actually has a lot of limits. They've just found someone who is compatible with them. Generally, I focus more on the "what I can do" than the limits. If something feels like a limit, I try to think of circumstances that it *would* be ok in, ways to make it work. While I can be a fairly heavy bottom under some circumstances, even things I love can be done in a way that goes beyond my pain tolerance. I'm perfectly willing to do housework, clean the catbox, and many other service-oriented things. There are some things I have concerns about. Some of them he isn't interested in, so I don't have to worry about them, others are a work in progress.



IronBear -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/3/2009 10:11:42 PM)

I am specific in the way I use the term "slave' (For an explanation just amble across to the Gorean Forum and search there or ask many of my definitions I retain from the years as a Gorean Lifestyler). I look for "SERVICE SLAVES" and not necessarily "SERVICING SLAVES".. House work is part and parcel of the dynamic so I never worry about those who has house work as a hard limit they are welcome to find a dynamic which suits them.  Each to their own.. I can happily have a "No House Work" slave as a play partner and slut as long as we know the limits of the relationship, but by Jove she had better get her ass into gear and not leave a mess for me to tidy up and help with the dishes or handing out the laundry or she can hi her ass to the nearest residential brothel..  



tammystarm -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/3/2009 10:20:13 PM)

Hey no housework is in my profile, but sighs no one believes it, wonders why? smiles and winks



Falkenstein -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/4/2009 12:22:41 AM)

Maybe it is to expensive in the USA, but what about having a cleaning lady or a maid?
A person who comes for a few hours a week and tidy up your place. if she is smart and reliable, she can even do the shopping of groceries and other household stuff, (except meat, fish and veggies, because buying the food is a part of cooking, and I cook), bring your shirts to the cleaners...

I know it has nothing to do with your no limits question, but I find that a woman (sub, slave, pet, whatever) will provide better sex if she can drive straight from work without stopping at the supermarket first and have one hour to make herself beautiful and in the mood instead of cleaning the breakfeast table and tidying the living room.

In other words the question is : vaccuming or cuming?

Be seeing you,

Henry



KateyCaine -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/4/2009 12:43:26 AM)

I personally have no idea what the big fuss is over housework and submissives/slaves - it seems to have been an ongoing bone of contention for some time now.

For me it is a choice, a desire of mine, and an expression of my devotion to Sir to do His housework (tidying, cleaning, scrubbing, cooking, laundry and making His bed every morning. Yes, this may not be for everyone. Some people may find the very idea of this insulting or misogynistic. If a sub does indeed have a problem with the concept of housework, then that IS a limit in itself, just as electricity is a VERY hard limit for me, and needs to be communicated at the outset. Everyone is different, and that is what makes the world interesting :)

k.




GYPSYMAMBO -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/4/2009 1:03:05 AM)

When I am told "no limits" I say
"Oh good  I love suffocation and have not taken it as far as I want"
Most often I think no limit ppl are THINKING sex sex sex even then..there is much they have not thought of..
I  say
"Damn I am excited...I have a set of CHRONICLES sof RIDDICK knives I have not used yet"
 
I have to say..it "lmits" my patience..
 
GM



ranja -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/4/2009 1:31:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

No - but I had a no-limits wife who said that.

Hey - maybe we should have a thread about the definitive use of the word 'wife'? EXACTLY what does that mean to you? Should a wife always be ready to provide sex? Can a wife have limits? How should you insure the well being of a wife if you want to terminate the 'contract'?


This wife certainly has limits
For this wife the practise of being denied sex and/or orgasms for any prolonged period of time is not bearable and so, after lengthy debate in which this wife was allowed to express herself freely, a deal was brokered so that this wife would not be expected to put up with such lack of interest in her person for the remainder of her marriage... which will be till death do this Husband and this wife part... that would indeed terminate the contract for this wife... so no further insurance is needed.

This wife respects the fact that there might be other wifes who are happy to live with different limits



MadameMarque -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/4/2009 1:40:46 AM)

"No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework" -
It's more the term "slave," than the "no limits" claim, here, with which I have a contention. 

Of course, both of these terms promise endless hours of fun, because, as it's amply proven on this forum, no two people can fully agree on what they mean, in theory OR in practice.

Based upon the common definition of slavery, being a consensual slave is a bit like consensual rape - an oxymoron.  But I think there's enough of a consensus on what it means to be a slave that you could say, anyone who claims to want to be one, but thinks they shouldn't have to do stuff if they don't feel like it, is misusing the term.  Pretty much.

...oh.  And there's no such thing as No limits to what a person is willing to endure - they might be willing to be tortured to death, but not bored to death.  Although I don't notice that those who come pretty damn close to proving they have no limits, usually make the claim.



RavenMuse -> RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework (10/4/2009 1:44:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

If I read a profile like that then I would simply know that our ideas do not mesh and neither would we............NEXT!!


Same here. If such a person is calling themself a slave, then We have a BIG incompatibility regarding what We mean by the term 'slave'... if they are contacting Me the response is likely to be rather brief and to the point.



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