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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 4:31:54 PM   
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mmmmmmmm it might appear that I am defending caitlyn's common sense!

But, in truth I am just trying to get into her pants! *w* She is more than capable to defend her thoughts... and very well I might add.



***** jumping up and down trying to pull her pants on.... Damn they don't fit*****


LOL, very good..........I still don't agree with you guys, but that's ok, too.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 4:32:13 PM   
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I had not intended to share this much with you all, but I think under the circumstances it is important that I tell you where I am coming from on this. Thank you for reading. [/size]



Thank you MistressOfGa....... <making another pot of coffee here>

I too will stand for one who asks for the help. But only 1 time. I've had some come to me, crying, wanting help. I do what I can. And after they're free from the abuse <actually out of the home> if they go back, I tell them. Do not come to me for help again.

I literally beat the hell out of my brother in law.. chased him with a butcher knife.. but when I found out the fight I witness wasn't the first one.... I actually apologized to my brother in law... then wanted to beat the hell outta my sister... LOL


Coffee anyone?.... LOL

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 4:34:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa
I had not intended to share this much with you all, but I think under the circumstances it is important that I tell you where I am coming from on this. Thank you for reading. [/size]



Thank you MistressOfGa....... <making another pot of coffee here>

I too will stand for one who asks for the help. But only 1 time. I've had some come to me, crying, wanting help. I do what I can. And after they're free from the abuse <actually out of the home> if they go back, I tell them. Do not come to me for help again.

I literally beat the hell out of my brother in law.. chased him with a butcher knife.. but when I found out the fight I witness wasn't the first one.... I actually apologized to my brother in law... then wanted to beat the hell outta my sister... LOL


Coffee anyone?.... LOL


true... may i have a cup, please?? 3rd pot today... now i need to go to the market!

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 5:02:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, lets break down her sentence then, shall we?
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If someone I know gets in a situation that I think is abusive,
If one only "thinks" something is abusive she has no proof. For if she had proof then she would say that she knows it to be abusive. So since she has no proof but still wants to say that it's abusive then it's an accusation. An accusation is a charge of wrongdoing that is made against a person or other party.

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I'm going to scream it at the top of my lungs to anyone that will listen.
This shows an over emotional response to what was quoted above. Since she has no proof, the more intelligent thing to do is to ask questions and gather proof that there really is an abusive relationship going on and then notify the authorities. Does "To just scream it at the top of your lungs to anyone that will listen" show good judgement? I don't see it as such. If one has no proof, does it show sound judgement? Still not seeing it as such. Thus it is a lack of common sense.

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If there are unmentionables involved in any way, even if they are just living in the house, I'll do whatever I can to make sure the authorities are also involved.

If I end up wrong, we can all be happy that I was. If that ends up with someone hating me forever ... well, let's just hope it's a long hate.
This here shows a flippant disreguard to the fact that you may destroy someones life/lives based on no proof of what you're accusing them of. She accuses based on the thought that it maybe abuse. This is not courage. Now, if she had proof and walked into that house to get her friend and those "unmentionables" out in the face of the abuser, that would be courage. To stand in the way of the man as he came to get her friend like MoG did, thats courage. The last statement shows to me a lack of ability to make a rational judgement based on proof that she has at hand. She would not be just stating an opinion, she would be leveling an accusation based on no real proof. Common sense should tell you that you need to get proof before you involve authorities and maybe ruin someones life, not that you should just say "Oh well" if it's not true.

It's interesting, knight, how you can't state your opinion without making underlying innuendos to the other person. One might question ones ability to hold a decent, intelligent conversation. No matter though, right? I mean, just because you can not hold a decent conversation without lowering yourself doesn't reflect back upon you, right?

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 5:12:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa
I had not intended to share this much with you all, but I think under the circumstances it is important that I tell you where I am coming from on this. Thank you for reading.



Thank you MistressOfGa....... <making another pot of coffee here>

I too will stand for one who asks for the help. But only 1 time. I've had some come to me, crying, wanting help. I do what I can. And after they're free from the abuse <actually out of the home> if they go back, I tell them. Do not come to me for help again.
Coffee anyone?.... LOL


I have been in situations exactly like this. I continued the abuse of my past into my adulthood, by poor choices of men. I had left my abuser countless times, only to go back to him. But in my case my family was threatened if I didnt go back. My sisters house was burnt to the ground and her cars torched. My mothers jaw was broke as she tried to stop him from dragging me out of her house into the freezing night, kicking and screaming, wearing only a thin nightgown. There are many reasons why a person would go back to their abuser, of course none of which may be explained to you or I, until it is completely over. My family thought I was nuts, little did they know I feared for their safety more than mine, and that is the reason I returned to him. But, this thread isnt about me or what I went through. I dont mean to hi-jack it. Yes, I will have some coffee while I watch the Dom debate <s>

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 5:16:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		MistressOfGa.. you are so right. Hopefully when it's finally over... all is safe..

Pours a cup of coffee for MoG....



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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 5:26:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow. I thought I'd have something to add to this thread, but MrD has said most of it already.

KoM, you're trying to have it both ways. On the one hand, you're saying that you're just stating your opinion and don't expect everyone else to agree with you. On the other hand, you're applauding someone who has said she would gladly interfere with a family, even if they are strangers, as long as she "thinks" they are in an abusive situation. Having your own strongly-worded opinion is one thing. Going on a crusade against people who you "think" are abusive is quite another.

The reason why this discussion has gotten so heated, by the way, is that both sides are defending a very important principle. Caitlyn, KoM, and others don't want to see innocent people being abused. MrD, MissTress, and I don't think strangers have the right to interfere with other people's relationships just because they don't approve of them. How do you balance those two fully legitimate interests? My standard is simple: is the supposed victim an adult or a child? If it's a child, all bets are off, I'm going to the authorities. (And I really don't think any of us would disagree.) If it's an adult--sorry, you're an adult. You have to make your own decisions and live with the consequences. That, I think, is what we're REALLY arguing about. Are adults responsible for the consequences of their own actions? I believe they are. And I believe they have the right, once they've made their decisions about their private life, to be left alone.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 5:32:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		but we aren't discussing a Gorean Master b/c they don't use contracts*smiles*

they do however have 12 ft cockroaches to go with the tarns and stuff

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they may be just fine with it and happy as a pig in sheeeeeeeeeet
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Good for you, angelic, no need to "turn tail and run".........now, let me ask the folks on the "it's abuse" side.....if the person in question lived in your town, what exactly would you do? Even without them living in your town.......what are you going to do?
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I did not know they had pigs on Gor........thought there were tarns and stuff *grins*

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 5:38:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		now that is it in a nutshell....
someone asking for help is a different story and i do work in domestic violence....
but if we are talking about consentual...which someone answering what i feel is abusive profile is none of my business...
its 'tween 2 consenting adults and their kink.
if i 'think' abuse is going on with a friend or family member i will ask...maybe even try to interven (in a small way by leaving my card or resource info-b/c they arent going to leave till they are ready)and that is usually when that last vestige of their soul is about to be snatched by their abuser ,then they leave,fight back or die trying to go.

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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa
I had not intended to share this much with you all, but I think under the circumstances it is important that I tell you where I am coming from on this. Thank you for reading. [/size]



Thank you MistressOfGa....... <making another pot of coffee here>

I too will stand for one who asks for the help. But only 1 time. I've had some come to me, crying, wanting help. I do what I can. And after they're free from the abuse <actually out of the home> if they go back, I tell them. Do not come to me for help again.

I literally beat the hell out of my brother in law.. chased him with a butcher knife.. but when I found out the fight I witness wasn't the first one.... I actually apologized to my brother in law... then wanted to beat the hell outta my sister... LOL


Coffee anyone?.... LOL



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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 5:41:00 PM   
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Wow. I thought I'd have something to add to this thread, but MrD has said most of it already.

KoM, you're trying to have it both ways. On the one hand, you're saying that you're just stating your opinion and don't expect everyone else to agree with you. On the other hand, you're applauding someone who has said she would gladly interfere with a family, even if they are strangers, as long as she "thinks" they are in an abusive situation. Having your own strongly-worded opinion is one thing. Going on a crusade against people who you "think" are abusive is quite another.

The reason why this discussion has gotten so heated, by the way, is that both sides are defending a very important principle. Caitlyn, KoM, and others don't want to see innocent people being abused. MrD, MissTress, and I don't think strangers have the right to interfere with other people's relationships just because they don't approve of them. How do you balance those two fully legitimate interests? My standard is simple: is the supposed victim an adult or a child? If it's a child, all bets are off, I'm going to the authorities. (And I really don't think any of us would disagree.) If it's an adult--sorry, you're an adult. You have to make your own decisions and live with the consequences. That, I think, is what we're REALLY arguing about. Are adults responsible for the consequences of their own actions? I believe they are. And I believe they have the right, once they've made their decisions about their private life, to be left alone.

Glad I read this cuz it saved me reading all the other pages (since I read the OP and had no idea what it was so left it alone for awhile).

I ditto this completely.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 6:22:36 PM   
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Wow. I thought I'd have something to add to this thread, but MrD has said most of it already.

KoM, you're trying to have it both ways. On the one hand, you're saying that you're just stating your opinion and don't expect everyone else to agree with you. On the other hand, you're applauding someone who has said she would gladly interfere with a family, even if they are strangers, as long as she "thinks" they are in an abusive situation. Having your own strongly-worded opinion is one thing. Going on a crusade against people who you "think" are abusive is quite another.

The reason why this discussion has gotten so heated, by the way, is that both sides are defending a very important principle. Caitlyn, KoM, and others don't want to see innocent people being abused. MrD, MissTress, and I don't think strangers have the right to interfere with other people's relationships just because they don't approve of them. How do you balance those two fully legitimate interests? My standard is simple: is the supposed victim an adult or a child? If it's a child, all bets are off, I'm going to the authorities. (And I really don't think any of us would disagree.) If it's an adult--sorry, you're an adult. You have to make your own decisions and live with the consequences. That, I think, is what we're REALLY arguing about. Are adults responsible for the consequences of their own actions? I believe they are. And I believe they have the right, once they've made their decisions about their private life, to be left alone.

Yes, this I can agree with.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 6:31:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Never fear to state your opinion because to each of US...OUR opinion is really all We have. hang in there.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 6:54:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		i have continued to watch this thread pretty closely. It went from me to Caitlyn...MrD... You got no rise out of me when telling me i needed counseling because my opinion differed from Yours... LordandMaster You did the same and got the same reaction from me... Caitlyn as Yyou may or may not have noticed hasn't bothered to respond to Yyour opinions of what she said. so Wwe don't agree with the majority here... bfd? i was at the end of the battering ram earlier... it then transferred to Caitlyn... still Tthose i see now posting have somewhere along the line forgotten THIS IS OPINION... Wwho the heck do Yyou think Yyou are to tell me or Aanyone Eelse Oour opinions are wrong... isn't the entire purpose of threads to learn from Eeach Oother?

Yyou disagree with MY OPINION of the profile... FINE that is Yyour right...

Yyou disagree with what Caitlyn said... FINE that is Yyour right... but look at how Yyou have to use someone else to make Yyour point.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 7:34:19 PM   
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i have continued to watch this thread pretty closely. It went from me to Caitlyn...MrD... You got no rise out of me when telling me i needed counseling because my opinion differed from Yours
Well angelic, I wasn't trying to get any rise out of anyone. Maybe you could point out exactly where it is that I was trying to get a rise out of you?

Caitlyn and I both settled on the fact that we respected each others opinions reguardless of the fact that they differ. If you followed closely, I am left wondering where you came up with this thought?

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Caitlyn as Yyou may or may not have noticed hasn't bothered to respond to Yyour opinions of what she said
I stopped posting to caitlyn when we settled on what I just said above. If you will note, it was Knight of Mists that had the chip on his shoulder about something I posted and wanted to continue to discuss it. So I continued to discuss it with him. What I wrote was in no way meant towards caitlyn and I'm sure, being the hellava smart girl she is, she saw that.

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so Wwe don't agree with the majority here... bfd? i was at the end of the battering ram earlier... it then transferred to Caitlyn
No one made you the butt end of anything, angelic. No one has tried to flame you or caitlyn. Why do you feel this need to be the victim here? Even when the dust settles and all is quiet, you still look to put your self under a tank. In front of a bulldozer.

It seems, angelic, that you are the one that can not stand the fact that others will post their opinion reguardless of how you may think? Do you think I should've just backed down when knight made his posts toward me? I don't think so. I stood by my thoughts and expanded on them when asked about them.

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Wwho the heck do Yyou think Yyou are to tell me or Aanyone Eelse Oour opinions are wrong
Who do I think I am? I'm a man with an opinion that isn't afraid to state such. I have not told anyone that they're wrong, angelic. i disagreed with various points of views, but not told anyone they're wrong.

Wait, wait. I did tell someone they were wrong. It was truesub and she saw my point and apologized for it. To which point I accepted her apology, told her I didn't take it lightly and thanked her for being adult enough to post it publicly. I even gave her mad props for it which , from where I come from, means I respect you for what you did/said. But somehow, I don't think truesub is who you're talking about.

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but look at how Yyou have to use someone else to make Yyour point.
Can you can show me exactly how it is that I used someone else? What post is it? You're taking this further then it really needs to go, angelic. Once again, you need to stop being the victim.

< Message edited by MrDiscipline44 -- 3/6/2006 7:41:51 PM >

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 7:46:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		MrD with all due respect... You broke every sentence she typed apart... found something wrong with it... :)

i will not 'quote' a long-assed quote because i was asked not too...

and i am looking at the subject matter of this thread... and smiling...

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 7:59:31 PM   
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MrD... You got no rise out of me when telling me i needed counseling because my opinion differed from Yours... LordandMaster You did the same and got the same reaction from me...


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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 8:03:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I simply broke her sentence apart to better explain how I came to the conclusions that I did to Knight of Mists, angelic. I wasn't using her, I was explaining how and why I disagreed with her statement.

If it's fine that I disagreed to your posts and the posts of others, why won't you let it go then? Why is that you still feel that you must unsettle things after they have settled? Hell, I stopped posting to you awhile back and had no intention on posting to you again.......... until you decided to post to me, that is.

And as I've seen, no body has told you to not post quotes. Why would anyone tell you not to post quotes when everyone else can?

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 8:06:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Mods asked her to back off the quotes when quoting so many at 1 time... post where getting to long with quote after quote (whole postings).......... I've seen this happen before... usually they post in the thread though. ... Wait.. one did.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 8:09:34 PM   
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lol ok.. i suck at quoting... i even got an e-mail from MOD11 telling me i did...

No you didn't. You got a request to trim excess quoted material from your replies.

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MrD... maybe You need to pay just a bit more attention?

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 8:10:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's what I think on the whole subject.

I accept the fact that some people don't believe they are abusing when they are (in my opinion), but reject the fact that I must believe you aren't abusing(in your opinion).


I think that is were the whole thing is getting tied up. We have different opinions of what abuse is. I'd say the person who wrote that profile wants to abuse someone. Because in my opinion no sane person would want inflicted upon them, what the profile wants to inflict. Simple. Others opinions of sane will vary, but that doesn't mean I can't say I think it's abuse.

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