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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 3:21:41 PM

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if the release is not honored then the slave remains(but in all reality it would be how enslaved they were. some may run and miss the Master-and that goes for r/t not o/l).
the last right a gorean kajira has is to beg for a collar. after that all decisions are masters...bottom line... be knowing of whose collar you beg

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Leaving was not an option as he was a Slave, {Slut Pig}
and he had no rights!!

i'm not sure how the Goreans here view slaves rights (or lack thereof), but in my IRC experience, a slave has two rights:

1. the right to beg for servitude

2. the right to beg release.

if i'm wrong, please tell me and i will have learned something new.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 3:26:31 PM

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Ma'am... with all due respect... i was not quoting You... no where in my statement was there a quote that You had said and/or did anything regarding my experience. Again, if You thought i was referring to You i apologize. Llet's look at this entire thread, Ma'am... i voiced my opinion... as i said earlier... my first reaction was a knee-jerk... again as i said in hindsight if i had it to do over again (the knee-jerk) i would not have done so. Most of this thread has been about me and my emotional baggage... because i happened (and still do) believe that the profile in question is one of abuse. i do not come from a history of abuse... yet because i don't LIKE to see it, it was assumed that i did.

i was called 'pig' that is true...what i may have or may not have gone thru has been the basis of almost this entire thread... and through it all i have kept my dignity... kept my head.. and stood fast to what i believe...

i have been accused of not 'believing in this life' i have been accused of a whole lot... none of it based on anything more than i happened to find the profile abusive... i STILL believe it is...

if i can prevent one person from being abused... i will do so...
if it falls out of Grace with what the "Norm says is ok" ... sobeit

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 3:30:05 PM

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*looks to my left.........sees I need another 47 posts to get to a decent level of "kinky".....hmm....the way this thread is going, I should be there by midnight" lol.......

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 3:31:57 PM

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quote:

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*looks to my left.........sees I need another 47 posts to get to a decent level of "kinky".....hmm....the way this thread is going, I should be there by midnight" lol.......

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 3:32:10 PM

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Ma'am... with all due respect... i was not quoting You... no where in my statement was there a quote that You had said and/or did anything regarding my experience. Again, if You thought i was referring to You i apologize. Llet's look at this entire thread, Ma'am... i voiced my opinion... as i said earlier... my first reaction was a knee-jerk... again as i said in hindsight if i had it to do over again (the knee-jerk) i would not have done so. Most of this thread has been about me and my emotional baggage... because i happened (and still do) believe that the profile in question is one of abuse. i do not come from a history of abuse... yet because i don't LIKE to see it, it was assumed that i did.

i was called 'pig' that is true...what i may have or may not have gone thru has been the basis of almost this entire thread... and through it all i have kept my dignity... kept my head.. and stood fast to what i believe...

i have been accused of not 'believing in this life' i have been accused of a whole lot... none of it based on anything more than i happened to find the profile abusive... i STILL believe it is...

if i can prevent one person from being abused... i will do so...
if it falls out of Grace with what the "Norm says is ok" ... sobeit

The reason I thought you were quoting from me, is that you clicked in "reply to MistressOfGa".
Yes, you have made your opinions abundantly clear. This is the second time you have posted about others making this thread about you. I have not made it about you, nor do I intend to.

Editted: By the way, you have now clicked on "In reply to KnightOfMists", and this is where my confusion came in. I believed you were quoting me from your "reply" choice. KOM, may look at this post and think you are quoting him, although he should know that you would never call him "Ma'am" lol

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 3:37:22 PM

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then i do apologize to You Ma'am... it was not my intent at all.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 3:41:08 PM

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lol ok.. i suck at quoting... i even got an e-mail from MOD11 telling me i did... roflmao... maybe that should be the next thread "How does Oone quote properly"

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 3:42:47 PM

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What caitlyn posted was not courage, it was a lack of common sense. A lack of understanding that accusations without proof will damage anothers life/lives. It really reminds me of the McCarthy era when all you had to do was mention someone's name and the word "communist" and that person was brought up before a court to defend themselves. Even if they were considered innocent, peolpe accused were blacklisted and their lives ruined. The accusers thought they were morally correct too. So forgive me if I don't want to recreate a dark bit of American history, even if it's on a smaller scale.

What MoG did was brave, yes. She stood up for what she believed in, in the face of adversity. The result was unfortunate and I am truely sorry for her trouble.

To stand and be heard in the face of adversity is courage, that I agree. But to make hap-hazzard accusations with little or no proof and no reguard for the possible destruction of innocent lives is reckless and foolishness.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 3:43:03 PM

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this one will do nothing...
we are speaking of IF a sub/slave answered the Doms profile
seeking
what he wanted to do=
its then consentual....
WIITWD.....
not this girls cup of tea but its not me saying... hey hi i like what you had to say.

if the person gets a bite,good for him...
and the person on the hook(blessed be is all this one can say)
they will need friends somewhere down the line no doubt but thats my 02...they may be just fine with it and happy as a pig in sheeeeeeeeeet
(no pun intended)

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Good for you, angelic, no need to "turn tail and run".........now, let me ask the folks on the "it's abuse" side.....if the person in question lived in your town, what exactly would you do? Even without them living in your town.......what are you going to do?
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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 3:47:27 PM

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quote:

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lol ok.. i suck at quoting... i even got an e-mail from MOD11 telling me i did...

No you didn't. You got a request to trim excess quoted material from your replies.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 3:49:26 PM

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quote:

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lol ok.. i suck at quoting... i even got an e-mail from MOD11 telling me i did...

No you didn't. You got a request to trim excess quoted material from your replies.

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that is true!

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 3:55:31 PM

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*looks to my left.........sees I need another 47 posts to get to a decent level of "kinky".....hmm....the way this thread is going, I should be there by midnight" lol.......

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roflmao... and i should get a paddle!

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 3:55:38 PM

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Good for you, angelic, no need to "turn tail and run".........now, let me ask the folks on the "it's abuse" side.....if the person in question lived in your town, what exactly would you do? Even without them living in your town.......what are you going to do?
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I just thought I would answer this since I'm between vollies of fire at the moment. LOL
If this person lived in my town I would say good luck!! To date, there is less then 10 kinky people where I live and at least 130 miles before you find a decent "scene". That also means there's 130 miles before you reach a large continental airport or hotels that will be of a fair price. I think he/she should just have moved to Alaska!! LOL

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 4:00:14 PM

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What caitlyn posted was not courage, it was a lack of common sense. A lack of understanding that accusations without proof will damage anothers life/lives. It really reminds me of the McCarthy era when all you had to do was mention someone's name and the word "communist" and that person was brought up before a court to defend themselves. Even if they were considered innocent, peolpe accused were blacklisted and their lives ruined. The accusers thought they were morally correct too. So forgive me if I don't want to recreate a dark bit of American history, even if it's on a smaller scale.

What MoG did was brave, yes. She stood up for what she believed in, in the face of adversity. The result was unfortunate and I am truely sorry for her trouble.

To stand and be heard in the face of adversity is courage, that I agree. But to make hap-hazzard accusations with little or no proof and no reguard for the possible destruction of innocent lives is reckless and foolishness.

mmmmmmmmmmm a lack of common sense?

lets see what did she actually say that lacked common sense?

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If someone I know gets in a situation that I think is abusive, I'm going to scream it at the top of my lungs to anyone that will listen. If there are unmentionables involved in any way, even if they are just living in the house, I'll do whatever I can to make sure the authorities are also involved.

If I end up wrong, we can all be happy that I was. If that ends up with someone hating me forever ... well, let's just hope it's a long hate.

so she is saying she that she will GET INVOLVED in a sitaution with someone she knows that she "THINKS" is in an abusive sitautions.... mmmmmmmm so... where is the lacking of common sense in that. she hasn't reflected on what she thinks is abusive, she has stated what actions she would take "dramatically speaking" when she sees someone she knows in an abusive situation!

Now - since she hasn't actually stated what she considers to be abusive... It would be arrogant and even a lacking basic common sense to think that she is lacking common sense in what she would consider as being abusive.

It is generally considered "common sense" to know the substance that someone would judge as abuse of another, before they judge that person as lacking common sense. I would say such a person is lacking! of making such silly judgements

She is also reflective to the possibility that she could be wrong! Well take courage to take risk! But, some will take risk for for there morals and principles... they will take a risk to be wrong... but they also know that there is a risk! That is not lacking common sense... That is being Sensible!

now you and I only know what was the McCarthy era from history books and people that lived thru that time. Frankly the whole point is irrelevant to what is being said. Caitlyn nor I are stating that one should go about making accusations!

We are saying that one should have COURAGE to express their opinions when they Think there is "ABUSE"!!!! That WE have a Right and maybe even a MORAL responsibility!.... As I said... some have the courage to do! Some do not!

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 4:05:52 PM

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The first thing you gotta realize, is that 'slave contract' is nothing more than a fancy sheet of toilet paper should your 'slave' decide to leave. Slavery in this country is prohibited by the constitution. No amount of clever contract writing or fancy lawyering will defeat that. So, from the moment that your 'slave' makes known his or her desire to leave, you are guilty of kidnapping if you don't allow them to leave.

BDSM is a lot of fun and a wonderful fantasy world. A great deal of what we do is theatrics, illusion, and fantasy. That so much is not real doesn't detract from what we do, on the contrary, it makes what we do all the more fun and exciting. The sensations, the evergy, and the interaction are as real as anything.

But slavery as a reality? Please... Who in their right mind would consent to becoming a real slave? Real slaves are often beaten, maimed, or killed should their perfomance be deemed subpar. Real slaves are forced to do jobs too dangerous for people who have a choice. Real slaves are the first to go hungry when food is scarce. Real slaves are an expendable commodity in societies that allow them.

The dominant with true power need not resort to contracts, threats, or isolation to retain their submissives. Such are the methods of the powerless 'dominant'. The dominant with real power knows that he or she can get a submissive to endure and even enjoy what ever twisted crap comes to mind, because the submissive wants to stay. That's why a dominant with power craves a submissive with power of their own. Only a deficient dominant will settle for a doormat submissive who'll tollerate bullshit like being in isolation.

Okay, I'm done ranting. Hope I don't piss off too many people.

Well said. I wish there was a better term to convey whatever it is that people are after when they lust after the title "slave." If anyone really thinks it's slavery they want, they should go spend a few months in places where chattel slavery is all too real, just so they can be sure they like it. Or perhaps they could respond to that profile, which has about two dozen alarm bells going off in my aged, dominant head.

I have a couple of much more inflammatory opinions that relate to the topic, but I'll just keep them to myself. They might go way past pissing people off.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 4:07:00 PM

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What caitlyn posted was not courage, it was a lack of common sense. A lack of understanding that accusations without proof will damage anothers life/lives. It really reminds me of the McCarthy era when all you had to do was mention someone's name and the word "communist" and that person was brought up before a court to defend themselves. Even if they were considered innocent, peolpe accused were blacklisted and their lives ruined. The accusers thought they were morally correct too. So forgive me if I don't want to recreate a dark bit of American history, even if it's on a smaller scale.

What MoG did was brave, yes. She stood up for what she believed in, in the face of adversity. The result was unfortunate and I am truely sorry for her trouble.

To stand and be heard in the face of adversity is courage, that I agree. But to make hap-hazzard accusations with little or no proof and no reguard for the possible destruction of innocent lives is reckless and foolishness.

And how about the countless people who's lives were destroyed due to false allegations of "unmentionables" abuse? Go to the TruthInJustice websit and look at case after case proven false.....None of us want to see someone abused, but I think some of us don't have any wish to be part of a witch hunt either.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 4:08:48 PM

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First... this is being responded to using the OP's post. I went back to the beginning in the hopes that folks will understand that this isn't aimed at any one person here, but at the weighted number of posts by -many- people pointing fingers and jumping to conclusions about other's choices. The thing that struck me most profoundly about this thread was, in fact, how quick we are to judge the lifestyle choices of other people.

Yes, this certainly sounds like a -very- extreme situation, and I would certainly hope that (and would counsel anyone that I -knew- who was considering this to make sure that...) there was plenty of time for discussion prior to accepting the situation, that references were properly exchanged, and that everyone -truly- understood the parameters.

That being said, and assuming that all the parameters are in place and that everyone involved is completely satisfied with the situation and all of the HUGE responsibilities that it involves on both sides, who can judge?

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

I am not in a position to take on a servant under these circumstances, nor do I think that it is in my nature to create an environment of such abject dehumanization -- however, there are people on both sides of the collar for whom this is -exactly- what they are looking for. Does anyone here have the right to interfere any more than (if it is a friend or an acquaintance or someone who has -asked- your opinion) helping an individual who is considering such to be sure it is the right decision?

For the person who -might- be considering a choice like this, aside from giving good advice on what to look for and how to make sure that the situation is going to be a healthy one, it is important -not- to make people feel like their perversions, entered into of their own free will and with full knowledge, are somehow "stupid" or "dirty" or "wrong".

If you don't like someone else's choices, don't do it in your own life. Nobody can judge you for not wanting to do something someone else is doing when it doesn't click for you -- but you not liking it -doesn't- make it wrong for -everyone-.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 4:09:10 PM

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they may be just fine with it and happy as a pig in sheeeeeeeeeet
(no pun intended)

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Good for you, angelic, no need to "turn tail and run".........now, let me ask the folks on the "it's abuse" side.....if the person in question lived in your town, what exactly would you do? Even without them living in your town.......what are you going to do?
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I did not know they had pigs on Gor........thought there were tarns and stuff *grins*

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 4:12:00 PM

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Good for you, angelic, no need to "turn tail and run".........now, let me ask the folks on the "it's abuse" side.....if the person in question lived in your town, what exactly would you do? Even without them living in your town.......what are you going to do?
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I just thought I would answer this since I'm between vollies of fire at the moment. LOL
If this person lived in my town I would say good luck!! To date, there is less then 10 kinky people where I live and at least 130 miles before you find a decent "scene". That also means there's 130 miles before you reach a large continental airport or hotels that will be of a fair price. I think he/she should just have moved to Alaska!! LOL

LMAO .......ahhhhh geez, I wasn't expecting that for an answer, but ok MrD.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 4:27:19 PM

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Complete lack of reality??????? mmmmmmmmmmmm

I would say it shows she has Courage!! Some have it like MistressofGa and others... and some do not! They prefer to hide behind the Dominant's Excuse "There was Consent!"

mmmmmmmm it might appear that I am defending caitlyn's common sense!

But, in truth I am just trying to get into her pants! *w* She is more than capable to defend her thoughts... and very well I might add.

***** jumping up and down trying to pull her pants on.... Damn they don't fit*****

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