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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44
As stated before by others, if it's consentual, how is it abusive? Abuse is non-consentual.

I completely respect your right to have whatever opinion you want ... but in my opinion, statements like the above quote, illustrate why there is a complete lack of understanding of reality, on this issue.

Perhaps hearing it from a fellow dominant would be helpful to some ... I might suggest KnightofMist's post number 113, read with an open mind.

I've read knight's post and it's very well said. I can agree to a point. But I still say that not you, knight or anyone else has the right to call a relationship abusive if your not part of the relationship and only viewing it from a single perspective.

Thank you for respecting my right to my opinion just as I respect you for yours.

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Ma'am quite honestly if i put every single comment made to or about me in quotes i would be here all night...

the fact is I DISAGREE WITH THE PROFILE... period... MY OPINION... like it or don't... the profiler is looking to abuse!!! MY OPINION... like it or don't.

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists
mmmmmmmmmm interesting...

you can state what abuse is not... but one can't say what it is! Interesting double standard!


Frankly we not only have a right to dictate what we as individuals consider as abusive or even to lesser extent an unhealthy relationship for ourselves and "others"... but we also have a moral responsiblity to express this opinion!. However, only the individuals in the relationship will be directly affected by the consequences of the relationship and can change the situation as it stands.

You take the horse to water... but you can't make him drink! Of course, I like to take the horse to the water when I know they are really thirsty.

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I find this thread incredibly interesting and informative. Why you ask? Because I find hypocrisy to be hilarious. And I really like it when people tell on themselves. Most of the time they don't even know they are doing it.

What I hear and read without fail from every person I've talked to in the lifestyle is "I don't care if they accept what I do, as long as they don't judge me". I would hazard a guess that that statement is true for the large majority of us. And I've read posts from most people that have posted in this thread to the same effect.

And here we are...look, judgement. Judgment of someone else's kink, judgement of someone else's feelings, judgement of someone's mental state who may or may not exist. Where will we find tolerance outside of our community if we don't have it within?

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ORIGINAL: mstrofsnfulplsre

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I find this thread incredibly interesting and informative. Why you ask? Because I find hypocrisy to be hilarious. And I really like it when people tell on themselves. Most of the time they don't even know they are doing it.

What I hear and read without fail from every person I've talked to in the lifestyle is "I don't care if they accept what I do, as long as they don't judge me". I would hazard a guess that that statement is true for the large majority of us. And I've read posts from most people that have posted in this thread to the same effect.

And here we are...look, judgement. Judgment of someone else's kink, judgement of someone else's feelings, judgement of someone's mental state who may or may not exist. Where will we find tolerance outside of our community if we don't have it within?

Well said MissTress

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

mmmmmmmmmm interesting...

you can state what abuse is not... but one can't say what it is! Interesting double standard!

Frankly we not only have a right to dictate what we as individuals consider as abusive or even to lesser extent an unhealthy relationship for ourselves and "others"... but we also have a moral responsiblity to express this opinion!. However, only the individuals in the relationship will be directly affected by the consequences of the relationship and can change the situation as it stands.

You take the horse to water... but you can't make him drink! Of course, I like to take the horse to the water when I know they are really thirsty.

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Good for you, angelic, no need to "turn tail and run".........now, let me ask the folks on the "it's abuse" side.....if the person in question lived in your town, what exactly would you do? Even without them living in your town.......what are you going to do?
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Quit frankly knight, I don't see you having any right to dictate to anyone what is and/or is not an abusive relationship to anyone that is not in a relationship with you. What gives you the authority to say it is or is not? No one who isn't in the relationship with you for one. Your moral standing may or may not be anyone else's. Does that mean they're wrong? No, it just means they're different and should be respect as such just as you and I. Being in an alternative lifestyle, I would think that you'd be more open to the differing of an opinion. I'm shocked to see I'm wrong.

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Yes i as well cant wait. one more week then i can put your sometimes vicious tongue to good use ....................lmao

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AGAIN... what does my experience have to do with the thread??? well other than i had the balls to say what i felt and Mmany disagreed with it.

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i am a slave... i am not Your slave!

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I had not intended to share this much with you all, but I think under the circumstances it is important that I tell you where I am coming from on this. Thank you for reading. [/size]

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I wish I could express myself on this as well as you do on this. I agree with you about moral responsibility, and can only speak for myself.

If someone I know gets in a situation that I think is abusive, I'm going to scream it at the top of my lungs to anyone that will listen. If there are unmentionables involved in any way, even if they are just living in the house, I'll do whatever I can to make sure the authorities are also involved.

If I end up wrong, we can all be happy that I was. If that ends up with someone hating me forever ... well, let's just hope it's a long hate.

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statements like the above quote, illustrate why there is a complete lack of understanding of reality, on this issue.

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I wish I could express myself on this as well as you do on this. I agree with you about moral responsibility, and can only speak for myself.

If someone I know gets in a situation that I think is abusive, I'm going to scream it at the top of my lungs to anyone that will listen. If there are unmentionables involved in any way, even if they are just living in the house, I'll do whatever I can to make sure the authorities are also involved.

If I end up wrong, we can all be happy that I was. If that ends up with someone hating me forever ... well, let's just hope it's a long hate.

So........ you're willing to destroy a home and other peoples lives because you "think" a situation maybe abuse and all you can say, if you're wrong is that we can all be glad you were wrong? I think your statement here said it best:

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statements like the above quote, illustrate why there is a complete lack of understanding of reality, on this issue.

You, yourself show that you have a complete lack of reality in the damage you could do to someones life. How very flippant of you to destroy someone's life who may not be doing it themselves.

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Good for you, angelic, no need to "turn tail and run".........now, let me ask the folks on the "it's abuse" side.....if the person in question lived in your town, what exactly would you do? Even without them living in your town.......what are you going to do?
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Level, I am assuming you are talking about the submissive/slave?
Nothing. I will do nothing. It is none of my business as to what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home.
I have had a friend come to my house to get away from her abuser (husband), I took her in and tried to protect her. He came into my house and was dragging her out of my frontdoor by her hair and for my troubles I recieved 3 broken ribs, a broken nose and a colapsed lung. I spent two weeks in the hospital. What did this friend do while her abuser/husband was beating the shit out of me and I was fighting back, she was yelling at me to leave her husband alone. My point is, I will be the first to stand up and fight for those who ask me for help, at the cost of my own safety. I am co-founder of a non-profit organization that helps abuse survivors to escape their abusers. We host events to raise money for safe houses, relocation costs and to raise public awareness and education. We hold seminars, which I speak at, for law enforcement agency's, child protective services, mental health professionals and school officials. I am an abuse survivor, and that is what encouraged my sister and I to become so pro-active with regards to this subject. I spent many many years in treatment in order to even live with myself and I am now in a position to give back what I have learned and to share my experiences with those who are still fighting to survive. I had not intended to share this much with you all, but I think under the circumstances it is important that I tell you where I am coming from on this. Thank you for reading.