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slvemike4u -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 11:36:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


How many right wing posters are posting on here. Two, maybe three?

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

In other words Rush is as delusional as some of our more virulent right wing posters.....seems about right Tazzy.

I've never bothered to do the math......but feel free to come up with your own number Sanity.After all its a free country.....




mnottertail -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 11:38:24 AM)

just don't lie about it, Sanity, you ain't a news organization, and you could be involved in a law suit because of it.

your buddy,
Ron




slvemike4u -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 11:41:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I get visions of Jim Jones out in the jungle when I read Obama's words there.

Or some kind of a zombie chorus.


"Join us..."



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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

"I will ask that you join with us in passing what are necessary reforms -- don’t fight them, join us on it.

"So if there are members of the financial industry in the audience today, I will ask that you join with us in passing what are necessary reforms -- don’t fight them, join us on it.

HUGE difference between those two statements.  When you stop reading things into statements and taking things out of context, you may find some things arent quite what you believed, Sanity.


Now see I'm having some difficulty with this.....here you have  POTUS asking for support.Trying to advance his agenda........and you hear Jim Jones in the jungle.
What am I missing?




mnottertail -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 11:44:05 AM)

George of the Jungle?........he marches to the tune of a different drummer.

Buddy Rich




Mercnbeth -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 11:48:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
I get visions of Jim Jones out in the jungle when I read Obama's words there.
Or some kind of a zombie chorus.
"Join us..."

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
"I will ask that you join with us in passing what are necessary reforms -- don’t fight them, join us on it.
"So if there are members of the financial industry in the audience today, I will ask that you join with us in passing what are necessary reforms -- don’t fight them, join us on it.

HUGE difference between those two statements.  When you stop reading things into statements and taking things out of context, you may find some things arent quite what you believed, Sanity.

Now see I'm having some difficulty with this.....here you have  POTUS asking for support.Trying to advance his agenda........and you hear Jim Jones in the jungle.
What am I missing?


Perhaps what's occurring in the committee room?


Rep. Edolphus Towns (D-N.Y.) locked Republicans out of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee room to keep them from meeting when Democrats aren't present. Towns' action came after repeated public ridicule from the leading Republican on the committee, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), over Towns's failure to launch an investigation into Countrywide Mortgage�s reported sweetheart deals to VIPs

I mean, if you are going to have "reform" shouldn't some of the special deals cut for 'VIP's' be up for reforming?

Granted it's common knowledge that the bail outs funding friends bonuses, but any reform should make sure that nothing illegal was done in the process don't you think?




xBullx -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 5:23:55 PM)

I, myself watch who is for and who are against Fox, that seems to say alot all on it's own. I also noted that as Fox has exposed certain issues or individuals in question with their "bully tactics"; the poor Obama kids seemingly scramble to clean up who/what has taken place, denoting some possible credibility in the Fox reports.

I will admit I grow weary of those constant talking points that can't stop bashing this very questionable Administration.

I am starting to believe that the administration of it's all "W's" fault might be shifting policy to it's all Fox's fault.

America, America wherefore art thou America!







Moloch -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 5:45:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

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Sorry, it is not half-truth or hysteria. http://www.infowars.com/images/scan0023.jpg This is taken strait from DHS internal memo. I dont have any news lings about the man getting pulled over fog gadsden flag sticker, it was in the news a year ago it happened in Luisiana.

Here is the report http://www.scribd.com/doc/13290698/The-Modern-Militia-MovementMissouri-MIAC-Strategic-Report-20Feb09-
Names Ron Paul and Bob Barr supporters as right wing terrorists.
ORIGINAL: Moloch


I sometimes wonder if people read their own citations. I read yours, twice. In no way does this say all conservatives are terrorists. It doesn't even say all militia members are terrorists. It does outline some of the things that can be looked for if one is concerned about terrorism from the right wing lunatics just as they have memos outlining what can be looked for if one is seeking out Islamic lunatics. As for your citation that there may have been a case somewhere, sometime in Louisiana where somebody was stopped perhaps for the decal he was driving on, forgive me if I don't consider that the mass rounding up of conservatives.

Once again, I ask to be told what governmental steps are being taken to rob anyone of their first amendment rights. So far it seems that it is just a lot of 'poor me' from a bunch of people who have little to 'poor me' about.






I read my ciatation, you didnt. Conservatives and Liberitarias are very well known for flying the Gadsden flag, Sons of Liberty sybol and Molon Labe.

The report specifically links conservatives and liberitarians to right wing terrorist groups. Too hard to click and read?

Once again: 6th Page in the document read the top paragraph.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 5:57:26 PM)

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I read my ciatation, you didnt. Conservatives and Liberitarias are very well known for flying the Gadsden flag, Sons of Liberty sybol and Molon Labe.

The report specifically links conservatives and liberitarians to right wing terrorist groups. Too hard to click and read?
ORIGINAL: Moloch



Repeating a lie doesn't make it the truth. Let us look at your citation for what it is.

The report in no way says that all conservatives or libertarians are terrorists. In fact, the word terrorist is not mentioned. What is said is that militia members are more likely to be found hanging around with conservatives and libertarians than they are to be hanging around progressives or liberals. It goes on to say these groups are more likely to be supporters of Ron Paul, et al than they are to be supporters of President Obama.

This is no more a vilification of all conservatives or libertarians than it would be to say that an American terrorist who is planning to blow up an abortion clinic is more likely to be found at a Right to Life rally than they are to be found at a Planned Parenthood fundraiser.

So once again I have to wonder, are you purposely laboring under a totally false sense of persecution or just spreading lies to advance your political agenda?





Moloch -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 6:20:57 PM)

Did you miss the part where very large numbers of convervatives and liberitarians display above mentioned symbols?
No the word "TERRORIST" is not mentioned, that is because you have to be a complete moron not to understand that it is impled. Or did you miss the the LONG LIST OF TERRORIST ACTS in the first 2 pages of document.
You are an adult, you very well know the concept of implication.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 6:32:01 PM)

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Did you miss the part where very large numbers of convervatives and liberitarians display above mentioned symbols?
No the word "TERRORIST" is not mentioned, that is because you have to be a complete moron not to understand that it is impled. Or did you miss the the LONG LIST OF TERRORIST ACTS in the first 2 pages of document.
You are an adult, you very well know the concept of implication.
ORIGINAL: Moloch



Yes,. I missed that because it didn't say it. This report is on militia members. Some militia members are dangerous loonies, just as the weathermen of the '60's were liberal loonies. As for the list of terrorist acts, obviously you feel that shooting federal judges, spreading sarin gas and killing a state trouper in the course of his lawful duty are acts of true Americanism.

You also seem to have this idea that all true conservatives are militia members. I think a fair number of conservatives who don't belong to paramilitary organizations who feel that the overthrow of the government by violent means might just be a good idea might object to that characterization.

Your claims are nonsense. Your crying of victimization is a lie. But do go ahead and shout it to the rooftops. That is freedom of speech and, as I've said, no one is trying to take it away from anyone. Your claims, about as far from the truth as I am from winning the Miss America pageant is a good case in point to prove my proposition.




servantforuse -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 6:34:29 PM)

There are only 3 right wing posters on these boards, period.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 6:46:59 PM)

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There are only 3 right wing posters on these boards, period.

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

There are only 3 right wing posters on these boards, period.


However many there are, I consider it a safe assumption that they are not in favor of terrorism domestic or foreign in nature. To say that detailing acts of terrorism or conspiracy to commit terrorism puts all conservatives in a bad light is far more an insult to conservatives than the report cited.





TheHeretic -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 7:15:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

There are only 3 right wing posters on these boards, period.


If you mean the Limbots, that sounds about right.  They show up and get themselves booted back out again to pretty well maintain that number.

Now conservatives are another story.  We have some excellent conservative posters around these parts.  Constantly outnumbered, to be sure, but that just makes it interesting.




Moloch -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 7:23:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

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Did you miss the part where very large numbers of convervatives and liberitarians display above mentioned symbols?
No the word "TERRORIST" is not mentioned, that is because you have to be a complete moron not to understand that it is impled. Or did you miss the the LONG LIST OF TERRORIST ACTS in the first 2 pages of document.
You are an adult, you very well know the concept of implication.
ORIGINAL: Moloch



Yes,. I missed that because it didn't say it. This report is on militia members. Some militia members are dangerous loonies, just as the weathermen of the '60's were liberal loonies. As for the list of terrorist acts, obviously you feel that shooting federal judges, spreading sarin gas and killing a state trouper in the course of his lawful duty are acts of true Americanism.

You also seem to have this idea that all true conservatives are militia members. I think a fair number of conservatives who don't belong to paramilitary organizations who feel that the overthrow of the government by violent means might just be a good idea might object to that characterization.

Your claims are nonsense. Your crying of victimization is a lie. But do go ahead and shout it to the rooftops. That is freedom of speech and, as I've said, no one is trying to take it away from anyone. Your claims, about as far from the truth as I am from winning the Miss America pageant is a good case in point to prove my proposition.




Wait now you admit its terrorism? It didnt say it?
Let see page on page ONE: Planting explosives, planning to blow up a federal building, shooting the FBI agents. No you sure didnt see terrorism.
Now I know you can read and comprehend language.


I obviously feel that shooting federal judges, spreading sarin gas and killing a state trooper in the course of his lawful duty are acts of true Americanism??????

Are you off your bloody rocker???

I would give you a peice of my mind but I dont want to get banned.
I dont appreciate you accusing me of being a racist a terrorist or a mass murderer.

Quit spinning your bullshit.




rulemylife -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 7:38:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Obama really doesn't like the Democratic process, does he?

Here's more of his shut up, sit down, do what I tell you attitude:

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“We should never again have to face potential calamity because of the reckless speculation and deceptive practices and short-sightedness and self-interestedness from a few,” the president said. "So if there are members of the financial industry in the audience today, I will ask that you join with us in passing what are necessary reforms -- don’t fight them, join us on it.

“I want all non-Democrats who may be here or may be watching to know that I believe in a strong and loyal opposition. I believe in a two-party system where ideas are tested and assumptions are challenged. That’s how we strengthen our proposal.  That’s how a democracy works but what I reject -- what I don’t have a lot of sympathy for is folks who are just sitting on the sidelines and rooting for failure.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/10/obama-targets-wall-street-those-who-block-health-care-reform.html


Say it in unison - "YES DEAR LEADER, WE DO AS YOU SAY."

mmm mmm mmm



Keep that spin going Sanity.

Even the link contradicts you.





SpinnerofTales -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 7:40:59 PM)

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Wait now you admit its terrorism? It didnt say it?
Let see page on page ONE: Planting explosives, planning to blow up a federal building, shooting the FBI agents. No you sure didnt see terrorism.
Now I know you can read and comprehend language.


I obviously feel that shooting federal judges, spreading sarin gas and killing a state trooper in the course of his lawful duty are acts of true Americanism??????

Are you off your bloody rocker???

I would give you a peice of my mind but I dont want to get banned.
I dont appreciate you accusing me of being a racist a terrorist or a mass murderer.

Quit spinning your bullshit.
ORIGINAL: Moloch




So let me try to understand your point. You think that the acts mentioned are terrorist acts. But those who do those things shouldn't even be mentioned because it might offend the conservatives? Or are you saying that somehow realizing that some of the milita members can be a source of danger represents a freedom of speech issue? Perhaps your point is that somewhere, in invisible ink, is the subliminal message "all conservatives are terrorists"? I would think it pretty obvious to say that either you disapprove of the actions listed in the previous post or you approve of them. If you disapprove of them, why are you upset that an organization designed to prevent those acts take a look at groups that seem to foster them (i.e. the militia's)?


So far, all you've done is point to a report on a far right fringe group that contains terrorists and would be terrorists. You have done nothing to point to any attempt to call all conservatives terrorists, let alone that any action is being taken to prevent their exercising any of their legal rights.

You can get as angry as you like, you can continue to shout your lies to the rooftops. It as much a lie as your claim that I called you racist or a mass murderer. I hope that they make you feel better about the fact that despite having the full rights of freedom of speech and expression that any American has, the vast majority has recognized the far fringes of the right wing for what they are.





rulemylife -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 7:46:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


How many right wing posters are posting on here. Two, maybe three?



Are you shitting me?

More of the "poor trod upon conservative victim mentality"?

I just don't know how you can get out of bed in the morning with all these hateful liberals in the world.

Count it up and you will find far more regular conservative posters here than liberal.

Not to mention the steady influx of Rush and Beck newbies who hang for a a thread or two.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 7:48:48 PM)

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Count it up and you will find far more regular conservative posters here than liberal. ORIGINAL: rulemylife



Maybe it's that "They're not TRUE conservative thing", Rule





rulemylife -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 7:58:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

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Count it up and you will find far more regular conservative posters here than liberal. ORIGINAL: rulemylife



Maybe it's that "They're not TRUE conservative thing", Rule




Yes, I forgot.

We only have Independents on here who have no allegiance to any party or political beliefs.

They think for themselves!

It's just a coincidence they think the same as every conservative and Republican talking point.




Moloch -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/21/2009 8:17:37 PM)

Once again you are putting words in my mouth.I dont care if those acts are mentioned, the document directly links Conservative and Liberitarian party leaders and memebers to Violent terrorists, no ifs ands or buts.
Yousing your logic, having gay sex will give you aids
Report on a far right fringe group? Liberitarians are not a far right fringe group. But you probably going to call them that any way, because they dont give obama thumbs up while fellating him.

I dont care if DHS (which I should not exist in the first place) is looking at terrorist groups. I care that they circulate a document among the law enforcment community directly linking Liberitarian party with terrori

I got news for you, any band of violent racist can call themselves militia. The DHS report is bullshit, Im a part of militia and a cars carrying Liberitarian. According to this report Im a right wing racist and I am preparing to kill federal agents.

According to you Im a right wing racist.

Im not fellating Obama, so I must be from the right wing fringe?

You are a bigot.






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