IronBear
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ORIGINAL: DavanKael
The idea of being punished appears to be a common bdsm theme. The applications to/for/by people vary widely.
Some implement a punishment dynamic for poor behavior.
Others use it in a play sense.
While I understand and can readily groove with it in a play sense, as behavior modification, being punished physically or via deprivation, etc. is something that would cause me to distance from rather than invest in a relationship (Actually, I'd leave).
This isn't a pressing life issue, I am introducing the thread as a point of discussion.
Davan
G'day Davan,
Enjoyable post. Lets leave the "Play Punishment" out of the equation for 'tis only play after all and often enough I'll warrant the sub/slave wants her arse walloped.
Moving on to punishment for infractions which is what punishment is for generally speaking; To limit punishment to some form of tedious duty or some form of physical punishment like spanking, caning or whipping would be a gross mistake. Punishment can be all of those and it can also be something like writing lines, corner time or re-training. For any infraction, I believe in evaluating both the seriousness and the cause. If the error was a mistake then possible re-training on his or her time would seem to be appropriate. Thus in a long term and especially 24/7 and TPE relationships, I see it as being healthy to establish a punishment or corrective dynamic. I am a great believer that any punishment should fit the infraction and be appropriate with the view or correcting and trying to ensure that there is no repeat offence.
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ORIGINAL: Elipsis
It sounds like you're trying to draw a distinction between actual punishment and "punishment" used for play...
In trying to think of a good answer to your question... actually nevermind you didn't ask a question but in thinking about it I ran into something... so now I'm going to ask a paradoxical question and I'd like to hear opinions on this because it's something I don't have an answer to.
If a girl tells you she "wants to be punished when she gets out of line" or some such thing... and then she does something that you (and she?) would consider out of line... what exactly do you do or how precisely do you go about punishing someone who already told you that they desire to be punished. If you're giving someone what they told you they want, how is that a punishment?
Conversely, as DavanKael alluded to... if you actually do something to them that they don't truly want than won't they just be unhappy and then leave?
G'day Elipsis,
I know girls who will tell a new master or Dominant that she expect to be punished if she commits an offence. In some cases this is a hint that she may deliberately make mistakes to be punished (In this case I'd be grabbing her by the short and curlies and explaining that we can do punishment games if she earns them by her being exemplary.behaviour). On the other hand if her comment is simply an indication that she expects not to be allowed to make mistakes and wants her new Master to take a strict control over her, I see this as just being open and honest which I would appreciate. I'm not suire Elipsis, what you experience with slaves in a hard M/s dynamic is (Gor included here), but from my own experience I can say that the two worst forms of punishment is knowing that she/he has been found displeasing and not being allowed to speak to the Master for a period.
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