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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/1/2009 11:58:30 AM

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lol.. thanks DC,, i found it.

Isnt this the same area that believes having sex with a virgin will cure aids?

No, I think that was Bill Wyman.

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/1/2009 1:19:50 PM

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He should give up his beliefs for cold-hard facts... Especially when those facts would help people.

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/1/2009 1:26:02 PM

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I think he's developed an allergy to facts, since the embarrassment he and the church suffered when they tried to discuss the facts about his military service. I think that story's been changed three or four times now, hasn't it?

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/1/2009 2:23:21 PM

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Defections, court fights test Church of Scientology

By ERIC GORSKI, AP Religion Writer Eric Gorski, Ap Religion Writer – Sun Nov 1, 2:12 pm ET

The Church of Scientology is going through a difficult season.

Over the course of two days last week, a French court convicted the church of fraud and Oscar-winning filmmaker Paul Haggis' resignation from the church over a litany of concerns was aired publicly. On one hand, it was just another bad press week for the embattled institution founded in 1953 by the late science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard.

But for former Scientologists and scholars of the movement, the setbacks pose a greater challenge coming on the heels of defections of top-level Scientologists who lifted a veil of secrecy on the organization and alleged a culture of violence and control under Hubbard's successor, David Miscavige.

"With any organization, the loss of a substantial number of your most experienced people and chaos at the upper levels is problematic," said David Bromley, a Virginia Commonwealth University professor who studies new religious movements and has written on Scientology. "There are PR implications, the possibility of legal actions ... That dwarfs the other things."

The church has strenuously denied the allegations against Miscavige, portraying the accusers as lying disgruntled ex-employees.

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/1/2009 5:40:01 PM

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that not what I said.

Sorry if I misunderstood you, it's hard to extract any kind of point from your rambling bitterness.

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Buddhism demands you give up all narcissistic bullshit that makes you wanna be a sex guru at Burning Man or Reggae on the River or Sundance Film Festival or Slamdance or (years ago) Woodstock. You cannot follow The Path and have ANY photo of yourself used in ANY way that is purly for the singular self, like being a wankerous white boy with dreads trying to get laid while pretending to be "deep".

Enough with the jealousy, it's not my fault you can't manage to get laid.

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/1/2009 6:33:16 PM

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I dunno about that: in most cases there's a political side to religious bombings (and religious violence in general) and that factor's just used to justify something that's done more for other reasons to whichever halfwit is actually suckered into doing the dirty work.

Would you mind supporting that?

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I know people who've stopped buying Beck records over that

I won't rent Tom Cruise movies.

Scientology isn't the only religion that uses the law to harass. The Catholic Church is still doing it in Italy, Sabina Guzzanti would be an example. Ireland has a new blasphemy law and then there's the Muslim countries...

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/1/2009 7:41:20 PM

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"Sorry if I misunderstood you, it's hard to extract any kind of point from your rambling bitterness. "

LOL, lemme guess, yer a white boy with dreads...

"Enough with the jealousy, it's not my fault you can't manage to get laid. "

jealous of WHAT? a pseudo-cultural cliche who probably swiped his user pic from the wallet of a chick he needed a bong to lay himself, and probably the pic was that of her ex she loved better than you, at that?

not close to jealous, bongboy, in fact happy I am NOTHING like you.

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/1/2009 8:11:23 PM

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lol... ever tried to change the mind of a 70 year old?

The Church lives in the past through its Popes. Its slow to "come of age" and always has been. ven the devout realize this. birth control of any form has been "taboo". but its widely utilized.

Btw, the Virgin Cure dates back to 16th century Europe.

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/1/2009 9:07:56 PM

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So, tell me, does he abandon the religious teachings for medical ones, even in spite of the fact that he is there for religious reasons, and its been said he is right.... just not right enough?

Convincing people with AIDS not to use condoms is reprehensible, doing so when there are plenty of actual problems he could be addressing is just plain stupid.

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/1/2009 9:50:03 PM

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bongboy, in fact happy I am NOTHING like you.

I am white, every other thing you've assumed about me has been completely wrong.

It's apparent from your profile that you aren't happy, lashing out at other people isn't going to fix that. The only thing it's liable to do is turn women off. You should also take down the cartoon pictures of butts and penises in your profile, that sort of thing can't be helping your chances.

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/3/2009 6:13:11 PM

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I once again will say.... religion isnt currupt, it isnt there to steal... its those running it who often do in the name of religion.

You've said a number of things about "religion" but your definition doesn't seem to match any of the common definitions so would you give a definition for what you mean by religion?

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/3/2009 10:02:19 PM

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I once again will say.... religion isnt currupt, it isnt there to steal... its those running it who often do in the name of religion.

You've said a number of things about "religion" but your definition doesn't seem to match any of the common definitions so would you give a definition for what you mean by religion?

I have before, and i wont repeat the issue. Here is what i will do...

Show me a religion that advocates stealing...
show me one that encourages self harm or the harm of others...
show me one that encourages lying...

i dont mean what is taught... i mean what is written for the masses.

And, just to toss in a monkey wrench, the Pope isnt "wrong" in his teachings of no condoms. The only sure way not to contract aids sexually is abstinence. The fact that some do not wish to practice that is not the Pope's fault, he teaches as his religion requires him to do. Many catholics listen, and do what they believe is best for them, as do many in all religions. Just because the Popr says dont, doesnt mean they dont... and shouldnt mean they cant.

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/4/2009 6:20:05 PM

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I have before, and i wont repeat the issue. Here is what i will do...
i dont mean what is taught... i mean what is written for the masses.

Maybe you have defined religion somewhere that I haven't seen. I do seem to recall pointing out the problem with excluding what people believe from the definition and you not responding.

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion. 3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions. 4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion. 5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith. 6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice. 7. religions, Archaic. religious rites. 8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.

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And, just to toss in a monkey wrench, the Pope isnt "wrong" in his teachings of no condoms. The fact that some do not wish to practice that is not the Pope's fault, he teaches as his religion requires him to do.

Where does the bible forbid condoms?

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/4/2009 6:23:29 PM

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It doesnt, nor does it advocate sex for just the pleasure of sex.

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/4/2009 6:49:34 PM

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did I miss the random act of kindness part here?

I see Tazzy's.

anyone else?

random act of kindness?

for anyone on this site?

after acting "tough"?

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/4/2009 9:19:52 PM

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And, just to toss in a monkey wrench, the Pope isnt "wrong" in his teachings of no condoms. The fact that some do not wish to practice that is not the Pope's fault, he teaches as his religion requires him to do.

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It doesnt, nor does it advocate sex for just the pleasure of sex.

So are you conceding the point or taking the position that anything not advocated in the bible is forbidden? What about modern medicine? The bible never advocates blood transfusions, is an IV a sin against Yahweh?

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/4/2009 9:25:50 PM

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So are you conceding the point or taking the position that anything not advocated in the bible is forbidden?

Neither. Last i checked, sex was supposed to be for married people who wanted to have children, according to the bible.

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What about modern medicine? The bible never advocates blood transfusions, is an IV a sin against Yahweh?

The bible does advocate seeing a physician for healing. More than once in fact. You dont go to a priest for medical attention. You dont go to a Dr for spiritual guidance.

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/4/2009 9:29:57 PM

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well, this is interesting, but we can all see what the bible says here, and it is not the only "religion".

so, um, what does Scientology say about condoms and sex for pleasure, Tazzy and Steely?

(apologies to Kittensol if she was going to ask this before I got to)

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/4/2009 9:32:39 PM

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i have no clue...lol... im not well versed on scientology

GotSteel just wants me to back down and give in to his ideas about religion.

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RE: Is Scientology a religion? - 11/4/2009 9:52:39 PM

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The bible does advocate seeing a physician for healing. More than once in fact.

Where? I'm aware of six references to physicians in the bible none of which actually instruct the followers of Yahweh to see them.

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You dont go to a priest for medical attention. You dont go to a Dr for spiritual guidance.

I don't go to a priest for medical attention but plenty of people do because the bible told them to:

14Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. (James 5:14-15 NIV)

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