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RE: Change it back! - 11/4/2009 5:10:28 PM   
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Despite heavy campaigning and fund raising efforts by Barack Obama, Republicans are sweeping the major elections in Virginia and New Jersey tonight. Of course the Democrat spin will be something along the line of, "that didn't hurt".

But it did hurt. There is so much wrong with this administration and this party, I don't know where to start. Corrupt and racist cabinet officials and czars, broken promises about openness in government, missteps handling the economy, government takeovers of private business and a wrecking of the dollar... where is the work towards the balanced budget. Where is there evidence of movement towards any of the lofty promises that were made? Especially that his administration was going to be post racial and bipartisan? What a sad, sick joke that turned out to be. Endless promises, empty words.

Blue Dogs are going to be looking over their shoulders and Obama is looking very weak.

Fired up?

Sorry Chief, not tonight...

From wikipedia: "Of note, in every Virginia gubernatorial election starting with 1977, the governor elected has been from the opposite party as the President elected by the nation in the previous year, even when Virginia had strongly voted for the President in question, as with Ronald Reagan." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_of_Virginia

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RE: Change it back! - 11/4/2009 5:23:16 PM   
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Eh Democrat/Republican tomato/ tamato. Two different routes leading to the same destination.I love the left-right paradigm it's unrelenting

Care to suggest a new paradigm.We have a two party system,some would say what we have reached here in terms of the "left" and the "right" is inevitable.
While we can hope that the better angels of our nature allow us to rise above such petty labels......holding ones breath awaiting such an occurrence is not to be encouraged.


It's a dual regime. The two party system serves as an illusion, the illusion that there are conflicting view points from which we can choose. At the end of the day most of them serve the same agenda. This should be evident by they way our "representatives" vote. Either way we end up in more debt, with less civil liberties, a larger and more intrusive government, more war, and Constitution destruction. So, I guess it's only inevitable if  you believe that when it comes down to it they have deeply opposing views or if you really believe those are the only possible strategies.

How about less restrictive ballot access laws, open debates up to more opposing views and allow the public to decide. I think the American people would be  open to other possibilities if they were actually exposed to them. Especially now when we are so hungry for true change and a new direction. This would also lead to our two main parties having to change they're approach to hold on to their precious power. This of course just scratches the surface but it's a start.

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RE: Change it back! - 11/4/2009 5:43:09 PM   
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I have no doubt you are feeling extremely generous tonight, too. 


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Far out man, I guess that makes me a radical...

Actually the usual term for someone like you is reactionary.



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RE: Change it back! - 11/4/2009 5:50:43 PM   
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I'm that snarky when I see someone like you favorably compare Obama to Bush... 

(In other words I'm generally snarky as that. Try not to take it too personally.  )

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Were you as snarky when dubya was caught wearing an earpiece to a debate? 


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RE: Change it back! - 11/4/2009 6:03:52 PM   
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I'm that snarky when I see someone like you favorably compare Obama to Bush...
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You could compare a small lump of green putty found under your armpit one midsummer day favorably to Bush.

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RE: Change it back! - 11/4/2009 10:27:29 PM   
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I have no doubt you are feeling extremely generous tonight, too. 


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Far out man, I guess that makes me a radical...

Actually the usual term for someone like you is reactionary.



Why should I feel generous towarsds you? Where's your apology for trying and failing to call me a liar?

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 5:51:09 AM   
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Where did I call you a liar, Ken?


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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 5:54:38 AM   
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Election result: Red-state Dems worried, rethink agenda


Election Day losses in Virginia and New Jersey have congressional Democrats focused like never before on jobs — their own.

While the White House and party leaders are urging calm, Democratic incumbents from red states and Republican-leaning districts are anything but; Tuesday's statehouse defeats have left them acutely aware that their votes on health care reform and other major Obama initiatives could be career-enders in 2010 or beyond.

“I should be nervous,” said Rep. Parker Griffith, a freshman Democrat from Huntsville, Ala. Griffith said the Democratic rank and file is “very, very sensitive” to the fact that issues being pushed by party leaders “have the potential to cost some of our front-line members their seats.”

House Democrats, forced to take a tough vote on a controversial cap-and-trade climate change bill in June, may have to vote as earlier as this weekend on the even more controversial health care bill. Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her leadership team have struggled to get moderates on board for that vote, and Tuesday's results won't make the task any easier.

Full article at:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20091105/pl_politico/29167


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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 6:07:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		the clip doesn't match the headline, the headline is a come on, the body of the article is rather blase and obvious.


so, derailing your own thread, and elliding from the neanderthal neo-cons need to be the center to democrats running scared in the streets and blood gushing all over crap, over some minor thing.

So, Sanity....who looks good for a presidential bid from your personal slate of candidates come 2012?

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 6:17:06 AM   
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Where did I call you a liar, Ken?


http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2885925

Which you knew already. Now for that apology...

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 6:32:51 AM   
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The article and the headline match perfectly and the article backs some of the assertions I have made in this thread very nicely.


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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 6:35:16 AM   
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Are you going to start demanding apologies now, too? 


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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 6:53:34 AM   
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The article and the headline match perfectly and the article backs some of the assertions I have made in this thread very nicely.




well, we have to disagree, a freshman house member, does not speak for the greatest number of folks, as joe the plumber did not for you.

additionally, the link to dem leaders include how pelosi (hey, I don't like all dems neither) again and again and again is gonna is gonna since early in the year, get healtcare on a timetable and pass it, and there is the one of course by the GOP leadership that says how they are going to come out strong in August on healthcare reforms (was that the teabagging or the NO!!!!!NO!!!!!NO!!!!?)

pretty much all much ado about nothing, entirely.

I don't see any rethinking by the leadership

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 7:00:17 AM   
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There are a lot of articles I could post that share the same sort of story line, but judging by your demeanor I'm sure you're aware of that. (Yes, mnot, that means you may resume hurling your base insults at those damn "neanderthal neo-cons" now).




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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 7:11:02 AM   
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I'm that snarky when I see someone like you favorably compare Obama to Bush... 

(In other words I'm generally snarky as that. Try not to take it too personally.  )

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Were you as snarky when dubya was caught wearing an earpiece to a debate? 


There was no comparison made, mine was an interrogative sentence, not a declarative sentence.(smiles added because you like them so much)

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 7:12:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		well, look, hurling insults? get a sack sanity, don't play the victimized innocent out here, your posting history is here for all to see. You call centrist conservatives rhinos, say that neo-cons are the life of the party, come up with these incessant conspiracies, and get virgin when somebody laughs and scoffs at you?

I asked you, who you got on your slate for who you wanna see run for president? no answer.
I said the neo-cons are neanderthals and they are going to die out, and you say that they are going to go back to the failed policies of twenty years ago, large deficits, supply side, milton freidman bullshit dipshit economics, lower taxes on the wealthiest individuals (because they put so very much back into and grow the economy).

And you think people are going to buy that shit for a second time?

All this is plausible and straightforward and from who the fucks mouth to your ears?

People are laughing at the teabaggers sanity. Immelt and some fucked up show that didn't make it some years ago are not sending any encoded messages to Obama warning him of the dire consequences of global peace and wellbeing if he doesn't immediately swear an oath of allegiance to neo-con ideology.

Sorry, just calling it like I see it.

Ron

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 7:36:37 AM   
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The GOP held power through Conservatism for quite some time. and very recently.


I had to go back to this one.

You do realize you are arguing against yourself?

Your statement in post #32:

Bush is a Liberal in my opinion, and so is McCain, and thats exactly why McCain lost.

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 7:42:57 AM   
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you are hurling insults at him by not pointing out that since DDE there has not been a fiscally conservative republican president.

so, he is going back beyond those two flaming liberals you named. It's a chess game, you see.

Ron

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 8:10:07 AM   
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Touche'

However I would argue that Bush and McCain and even Barack Obama campaigned on many Conservative principles even if they do fail to deliver.


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I had to go back to this one.

You do realize you are arguing against yourself?

Your statement in post #32:

Bush is a Liberal in my opinion, and so is McCain, and thats exactly why McCain lost.



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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 8:13:01 AM   
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Let the navel gazing begin:

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Democrats debate course after election losses


‘Do people think we’re tending to the things they care about?’


Democrats on Capitol Hill began a nervous debate Wednesday about the course President Obama has set for their party, with some questioning whether they should emphasize job creation over some of the more ambitious items on the president's agenda.


The conversations came as White House officials insisted that the party's gubernatorial defeats in Virginia and New Jersey had few implications for Obama's standing or for Democratic prospects in the 2010 midterm elections.


But moderate and conservative Democrats took a clear signal from Tuesday's voting, warning that the results prove that independent voters are wary of Obama's far-reaching proposals and mounting spending, as well as the growing federal debt. Liberal lawmakers, meanwhile, said the party's shortcoming came in moving too slowly on health-care reform and other items that would satisfy a base becoming disenchanted with the failure to deliver rapid change in government. 
Full article at:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33650641/ns/politics-washington_post







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