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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 9:12:36 AM   
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Let the navel gazing begin:



I asked you once before and I'll ask again. Amidst your tremendous joy that the democrats lost, is there any hope in you now that the republicans won? To be more specific, let's set a fair question. It seems that you are capable of judging the Obama administration on the first nine months. So what do you expect to see from the new governers of New Jersy and Virginia nine months from now? What do you think they'll change. What will make them a success or failure in your eyes? Or is your measure of success that they beat democrats and that's enough for their entire administration to accomplish? Please illuminate us.

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 10:52:57 AM   
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WSJ Opinion:

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The Madness of Queen Nancy


It's one thing to be serene under fire, it's another to be delusional.

More than a few Democrats in Congress are perplexed and worried that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is insisting on ramming through a 1,900-page health care bill on Saturday, just days after her party took heavy losses in Tuesday's elections. "It reminds me of Major Nicholson, the obsessed British major in the film 'Bridge on the River Kwai,'" one Democrat told me. "She is fixated on finishing her health care bridge even as she's lost sight of where it's going and what damage it could cause to her own troops."

Indeed, the Speaker's take on Tuesday's off-year elections struck some of her own members as delusive "happy talk." "From our perspective, we won last night," a cheerful Ms. Pelosi told reporters, citing her party's pick-up of a single House seat in a New York special election and retention of another strongly Democratic seat in California.

That's not how many of her own troops see it. Democratic Rep. Parker Griffith of Alabama told Politico.com that members are "very, very sensitive" to the fact that the agenda being pushed by party leaders has "the potential to cost some of our front-line members their seats"

On health care, added New Jersey Democrat Bill Pascrell: "People who had weak knees before are going to have weaker knees now."

Full editorial at:


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704013004574517603592213342.html


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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 11:07:37 AM   
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The GOP held power through Conservatism for quite some time. and very recently.



I had to go back to this one.

You do realize you are arguing against yourself?

Your statement in post #32:

Bush is a Liberal in my opinion, and so is McCain, and thats exactly why McCain lost.


No it isn't why McCain lost: he spent the 2008 election trail pissing all over anything that might have endeared him to voters back when he lost the Republican nomination to a faux redneck with a fake accent in 2000. There's a lot of criticisms you can make over the shit he was spouting last year, but liberal definitely isn't one of them.

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 12:18:30 PM   
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Right on.


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First you are wrong, it isn't far right radicalism at all. Overall the GOP is left of where it was 20 years ago and has plenty of room to move further right. Second, what do you think will play better even if you were correct, the far left radicalism that is obviously the platform of the dems or the "far right" GOP? If you think it's the former you're delusional. Obama had to try and hide it to get elected and throw his radical associates utb. He can't fool the indies again.


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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 12:46:39 PM   
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I suppose that it's easy for the conservatives to retake control given their obvious double standard. For Obama, it is expected that he fix everything that the past administration screwed up over eight years in nine months. For the republicans recently elected, there are no expectations. It is enough that they are republicans. Nice world view there, I suppose.

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 1:19:03 PM   
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~FR~

I suppose that it's easy for the conservatives to retake control given their obvious double standard. For Obama, it is expected that he fix everything that the past administration screwed up over eight years in nine months. For the republicans recently elected, there are no expectations. It is enough that they are republicans. Nice world view there, I suppose.



nice strawmen there.

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 2:09:33 PM   
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Right on.


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First you are wrong, it isn't far right radicalism at all. Overall the GOP is left of where it was 20 years ago and has plenty of room to move further right. Second, what do you think will play better even if you were correct, the far left radicalism that is obviously the platform of the dems or the "far right" GOP? If you think it's the former you're delusional. Obama had to try and hide it to get elected and throw his radical associates utb. He can't fool the indies again.




Yeah, drill baby drill and I can see russia from my house all played pretty good and now you are going right, ya think?

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 2:22:46 PM   
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Of course Palin never said she could see Russia from her house. But you know that. Say it anyway, but know it.

By the way are there more or fewer Oil Wells operating since Obama took over? Hint, it was in the news recently

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 2:26:11 PM   
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And is that money going to the people or what? Obama never said that he was going to turn the country socialist, or take away guns, that didn't stop anyone from advancing the myth.


hint: you mean this, in the news?

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/07/exxon-sabotage-oil-fields.php

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 4:52:44 PM   
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Of course Palin never said she could see Russia from her house.



No, she didn't.

But she used a similar phrase to imply that she had foreign policy experience based on Alaska neighboring Russia.

Equally as stupid.

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 6:28:40 PM   
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So, how did those two Republican house seats go? If the voters were saying slow down why did they replace two Republican house seats with Democrats? ... virtually assuring house passage of health care reform.

Another, probably more realistic way to see the results is the incumbent party lost in all four... People are scared of the current situation... not health care reform or spending but the fucking economy and their financial lives. Trying to see partisan politics in that is sheer foolishness.

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 6:34:28 PM   
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Of course Palin never said she could see Russia from her house.



No, she didn't.

But she used a similar phrase to imply that she had foreign policy experience based on Alaska neighboring Russia.

Equally as stupid.


Well, her moves in New York disregarding the right of voters to run whom they choose certainly suggest the Palin may have learned from Stalin.

Agree with my ideology or nothing. Palinist America.



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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 6:38:05 PM   
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Oh, come on! Campaigning is Stalinist now? How was anything Gov. Palin did in New York Stalinist.


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Well, her moves in New York disregarding the right of voters to run whom they choose certainly suggest the Palin may have learned from Stalin.

Agree with my ideology or nothing. Palinist America.




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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 6:43:29 PM   
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Oh, come on! Campaigning is Stalinist now? How was anything Gov. Palin did in New York Stalinist. ORIGINAL: Sanity



I'd say more Marxist than Stalinist. She speaks English like Chico, is about as trustworthy as Groucho, about as funny as Zeppo and about as much to be trusted with any duties of any importance as Harpo.


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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 6:45:34 PM   
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Eleven counties agreed on a candidate. The Palinists didn't like her (rhino). So they forced their own candidate into the race, and poured literally millions into ads attacking her.

People have the right to choose their own candidates--not Palin and Beck and company. They have a national agenda; we're choosing a local representative.

Forced with only the Palinist choice, people elected the Democrat (a minority party in this district).

I don't mind her exposing her views, however much I disagree. I VERY much resent trying to bulldoze our candidates--including bulldozing the Republican choice.

Yes, my opinion. But nothing about her actions here had anything to do with democracy.

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 6:58:11 PM   
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29212.html

GOP's special elections losing streak

Lost amid the Republican euphoria surrounding Tuesday’s elections is this inconvenient fact: The GOP just got its clock cleaned, again, in another high-stakes House special election.

It shouldn’t have come as a surprise, since Republicans have lost 20 of the past 29 House special elections, dating back to January 2003. And in perhaps the most worrisome aspect of the trend, the GOP lost its fifth consecutive competitive special election in Republican-friendly territory.




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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 7:14:40 PM   
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You don't like it that she campaigned for a Conservative candidate so you feel justified in comparing her to the greatest mass murderer who ever lived?

Do you realize that Democrats did almost the exact same thing to Joe Lieberman? Where was your outrage then.

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 7:33:34 PM   
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I agree Pres. Obama should keep his promises, especially to the left-wing base that got him elected, not Wall Street, I'm sure if he does so in the future the Democratic Party will do better in any elections.
Bill


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Despite heavy campaigning and fund raising efforts by Barack Obama, Republicans are sweeping the major elections in Virginia and New Jersey tonight. Of course the Democrat spin will be something along the line of, "that didn't hurt".

But it did hurt. There is so much wrong with this administration and this party, I don't know where to start. Corrupt and racist cabinet officials and czars, broken promises about openness in government, missteps handling the economy, government takeovers of private business and a wrecking of the dollar... where is the work towards the balanced budget. Where is there evidence of movement towards any of the lofty promises that were made? Especially that his administration was going to be post racial and bipartisan? What a sad, sick joke that turned out to be. Endless promises, empty words.

Blue Dogs are going to be looking over their shoulders and Obama is looking very weak.

Fired up?

Sorry Chief, not tonight...




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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 7:38:51 PM   
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Joe Lieberman didn't come to my district and thrust aside the locally chosen candidate.

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RE: Change it back! - 11/5/2009 7:39:53 PM   
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Oh man, the opinion page of the WSJ.  Those guys are certifiable.  They've often been contradicted by their own news division.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


WSJ Opinion:

quote:

The Madness of Queen Nancy


It's one thing to be serene under fire, it's another to be delusional.

More than a few Democrats in Congress are perplexed and worried that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is insisting on ramming through a 1,900-page health care bill on Saturday, just days after her party took heavy losses in Tuesday's elections. "It reminds me of Major Nicholson, the obsessed British major in the film 'Bridge on the River Kwai,'" one Democrat told me. "She is fixated on finishing her health care bridge even as she's lost sight of where it's going and what damage it could cause to her own troops."

Indeed, the Speaker's take on Tuesday's off-year elections struck some of her own members as delusive "happy talk." "From our perspective, we won last night," a cheerful Ms. Pelosi told reporters, citing her party's pick-up of a single House seat in a New York special election and retention of another strongly Democratic seat in California.

That's not how many of her own troops see it. Democratic Rep. Parker Griffith of Alabama told Politico.com that members are "very, very sensitive" to the fact that the agenda being pushed by party leaders has "the potential to cost some of our front-line members their seats"

On health care, added New Jersey Democrat Bill Pascrell: "People who had weak knees before are going to have weaker knees now."

Full editorial at:


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704013004574517603592213342.html


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