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I equate "inspiration" as a "condition" because that's how many stipulate their submission or dominance.

"I don't submit to everyone, I have to be inspired to submit." "I'm naturally a dominant personality but under certain conditions I can, and have submitted" Is there a difference if there is only one "certain condition" and it is "inspiration"?

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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At some point the act of submission is conditional. Even the most slavery of slaves at some point made the decision to submit to her Master

A perfect example of this was what occurred when beth and I set out to write up our rules, and 'contract'. "This is the last decision you will be allowed to make."; was the beginning of the process. I thought it was a given that we were speaking of the subsequent relationship and not the decision process of going into one; however I guess it is necessary in order to differentiate a lifestyle 'slave', from the non-consensual 'slave'.

However, that's a decision in consideration of her submission not a condition for it.

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or me, once the decision was made to submit, it stopped being conditional, except of course, if my Dominant ceases to be Dominant, which I don't stay up nights worrying about

It's great to confirm my belief that there are others giving unconditional submission; without limits, without conditions, without needing to serve any other master in her life.

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What made her say to herself, "That's the one!"

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I understand that is not how it is for you and beth but that's no reason to act as though those of us who don't automatically submit to every man we meet are doing it wrong or are somehow less submissive than beth .

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I'm sorry you have that perception. Our statements are only an attempt to expose OUR dogma and beliefs and not untented to represent a better way, let alone a one true way. In fact, the only reason we put it out there, is to see it challenged. We have an ongoing desire to think about our choice and getting feedback is catalytic to the process.

Thank you for clarifying, Merc. I really didn't mean it to sound confrontational or even critical. The fact is that I've learned to hold back on the automatic submission thing because so many Doms take it as a sign that they are "in" which is the furthest thing from the truth. Also, if I were to be that way with my bosses, who are doctors who would take the inch and run with it, I would never get any work done

I'm glad it works for you and beth, I really am, in fact I love the way the two of you are together, it just doesn't work for all of us.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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What made her say to herself, "That's the one!"

One of the key points beth and I tried to make previous was that the choice wasn't a response to "That's the one!". It was that her unconditional submission to others got them to expose themselves as; "He's NOT the one!". There was every possibility that beth would have the same result with me. It hasn't turned out that way so far - but you never know.

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Like you could have been 70 years old, toothless, homeless and unwashed and she would have submitted?

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ORIGINAL: slaveluci

~FR~
Everytime this topic of "inspired" submission comes up it seems the same people say the same stuff (me included). My own, personal time-tested opinion, for what it's worth, is this: "Inspiration" is not a dirty word or a bad thing. For me, it means something or someone causes me to do something I wouldn't ordinarily do....something good....like submit to Him.

I AM one of those women who has a fairly dominant personality. I don't try to lord over people or boss them around but I'm not afraid to be assertive and stand up vocally for what I believe and/or want. Most people I encounter are OK but in the course of any given day, I don't run into folks that make me want to submit to them in ANY fashion whatsoever.

Therefore, when I met Master and we began our journey, I was quite surprised that I DID feel like I wanted to submit to Him. Did He inspire me? I guess so. Just talking with Him and getting to know Him made me want to be in His life and do what He says. So, yeah, I guess Him just being who He is inspired me to want to be His property and live my life for and with Him. How is that a bad thing?

It's not that He has to be "inspiring" every moment of everyday by His actions. It's that, BY BEING THE MAN HE IS, He inspires me to love, respect, honor and obey Him. I like what I see in Him and I want to hang around. I'm "inspired" to be His as long as He'll have me. That's a good thing.

I frankly cannot relate to those who state that they're "natural submissives" who are in no way dominant and never felt that "inspiration" with someone. That's not me and I don't really care to understand it. If it works for others, that's so cool! But I expect them to accept that I'm not that way. I don't feel the need to submit to others in any way, quite frankly. I obey the rules, regulations and laws (mostly) that I need to to keep my job and not go back to jail. That doesn't mean they "master" me. That means I'm smart enough to stay out of trouble.

That leads up to the other point that Merc always makes about beth having no other "master." That is so terrific. I'm glad you can live your lives like that. Here in my world, it's simply not possible or preferable to be at home 24/7 naked, cuffed and covered with whipped cream. We both work for the money we need and enjoy using for fun stuff and, frankly, I enjoy my job and the learning that comes with it. I have no desire to be home all the time. That doesn't mean my job "masters" me. My job provides learning and money that we both want me to have. That's every bit as acceptable as what you guys want for your daily lives.

Basically, I just don't see the need to debate which is better - "Inspired" or "natural" submission. Frankly, I think that "natural" submission is a misnomer. My submission is the most natural, beautiful thing ever. Just because I felt "inspired" to submit to Him and not someone/anyone else doesn't make it somehow "unnatural."

In this mixed-up crazy world, if we all find someone who makes us think "Hey, I want to submit to him/her," I think that's a great thing. Comparing WHY we felt like submitting just seems pointless. Those of you who can't accept that "inspired" feeling, believe me it's great. Don't hate.................luci

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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Like you could have been 70 years old, toothless, homeless and unwashed and she would have submitted?

Submitted? yes - been together as we have for nearly 7 years? Doubtful, since it would have required me to represent myself fraudulently in a profile; as I would have were I female, or 18 with with teeth.

Then again - why stop there? Being human, having hands and feet, the ability to see, common communication language, distance apart, were conditions about us getting together, not conditions for submission or dominance. None of those things being different would change the fundamental, and what we understand the point of the OP; neither beth's submission, nor my dominance was conditional on either one of us being inspired by the other.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Doubtful, since it would have required me to represent myself fraudulently in a profile; as I would have were I female, or 18 with with teeth.

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Hi luci

I don't see anyone hating on inspiration.  I have been inspired by many people or situations to do certain things.  But submission?  Never.  For me, and those similar, that's like saying I need to be inspired to be or act female, when the fact is - I am female.  When I see people talking about inspired 'whatever' - I start seeing something very specific - an idea.  A set definition of what submission means or how it relates.  And there isn't anything wrong with having submission as a goal or purpose focused idea, but for me, it's like saying all blondes are dumb and have more fun or that all people with glasses are clever.

I don't need inspiration to be me.

the.dark.