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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/5/2009 11:30:53 AM   
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I am me...I will always be me...I will be accepted as I am ..it has nothing to do to with dominance or submissive. Any one with designs of dominating me will accept me as I am or we will not have a long term relationship..Isn't that the way it should be for a real relationship?

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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/5/2009 12:57:10 PM   
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Hello,

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I'm curious about two very different approaches to dominance and all the variations in between. I'm not interested in judging which is better, but rather in understanding mindsets and motivations.

I bend. That means I'm adaptive. I don't have a set protocol or rules that boys must follow. In fact, the way in which I'll be dominant with someone will be highly affected by my submissive partner. What I like to do is get into their mind and shake things up in there. This doesn't mean that my partner doesn't have to adapt. But they will in reaction to the course of action I've decided on based on my analysis of how to best dominate them.


Master has a set protocol and rule that any slave in his house will follow. But it's very simple: "Do as I say."  Other bits of protocol or rules are more flexible, but for his own reasons. He might require something for a while and then change it for practical reasons or simply because it loses importance to him.  Maybe it's just not pleasing any longer, or maybe the end goal he established the rule/protocol to meet has been achieved.  He does not appear to tailor his "style" of dominance to anybody, but I'm not sure he has a "style" of dominance, he just does what he does cause that's what he likes to do or is natural to him.  He would not put on a stern, forbidding demeanor for one and get all Daddy Dom with someone else. He's just him and yes, one adapts and accepts his ways or one is simply not suited. But it's reciprocal. He wouldn't even choose a submissive who required or expected a Daddy--nor would she likely choose him--because they would make each other miserable and where is the life satisfaction in that?

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I know others who break.
They have a very my way or the highway approach to being a dominant. They have a very strict set of requirements, rules, perhaps even rituals. A submissive partner either meets the requirements and conforms, or the deal is broken.


Yes, here it is his way or the highway and it is very strict, but with only the one simple requirement (Do as I say) and few rituals. Rules are either standing or they are put in place to address specific goals he wants to achieve.  They might stick, they might not. He is not "submissive" to his own rules just for the sake of having them :-). If they don't work or stop making sense or stop being relevant, he changes them.  Example, when we were first together, i was to be naked in his home at all times (barring sensible adjustments like a relative dropping in or performing some really messy chore). Now that we live together, that's not practical, since there are offspring in the house--relatives are always "dropping in."   But as far as the underlying standard of "Do as I say" goes, that's utterly non-negotiable. Not up for debate. He really, really does expect and demand that, so yes, any girl in his house is going to have to meet that requirement and conform to it. And yes, the bottom line "or else" is leave.

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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/5/2009 12:57:10 PM   
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So my question is, as this thread evolves, is there a lot of struggle for you? Where you very far from what he expects when you started out? Have you made that much adapting and bending?


In many ways I adapt and bend daily. I just don't see how I can do someone else's will and not adapt and bend. With many things I had to put effort into meeting his expectations and with some things he actually raised his expectations because I surpassed them naturally.

One of the biggest things that I have adapted to is poly and I was not close to where he wanted me to be. The three of us are extremely happy together; he and Alandra are poly and I am more geared towards monogamy. There were a lot of thought process that had to be adjusted and sometimes it was extremely painful for all of us. However, there was no doubt that I was going to be the one to adapt and bend to his will.

We also have a different view than many on what makes us who we are. For me, my behavior does not define who I am. My core character strengths are what makes me who I am and the behavior is only a reflection of that core. As a result, I don't have a lot of problems changing my behavior to suit his will.

Knight's Kyra

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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/5/2009 12:57:57 PM   
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But we can still lust after Him online, right?



OnLine...For some this might be the safer way.... At least it keeps the fantasy alive!...
In person... just might not be as sexy!

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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/5/2009 1:03:32 PM   
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We also have a different view than many on what makes us who we are. For me, my behavior does not define who I am. My core character strengths are what makes me who I am and the behavior is only a reflection of that core. As a result, I don't have a lot of problems changing my behavior to suit his will.

Knight's Kyra



Just a note.... and maybe alittle clarification... Adapability is a significant aspect of Kyra's Character in general. Interestingly.... adapting is something that improves her esteem and view of self. The interesting part is that she is a person that seeks structure and routine... But she doesn't thrive there!

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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/5/2009 3:36:53 PM   
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 Good evening ,
i was born with a great adaptability capacity,,,, i bend ,,, i dont remember having break
but i am with someone who know how to make me bend,,, that help a lot

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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/5/2009 4:00:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists
With many things I had to put effort into meeting his expectations and with some things he actually raised his expectations because I surpassed them naturally.

Beautifully stated. Master has done the same thing though I never really thought about it until you summed it up like that.
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For me, my behavior does not define who I am. My core character strengths are what makes me who I am and the behavior is only a reflection of that core. As a result, I don't have a lot of problems changing my behavior to suit his will.

Another great summation. It makes perfect sense but, if you wouldn't mind, could you give us a more concrete, specific example? I'd be really interested to hear it.

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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/5/2009 5:10:38 PM   
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Lady Angelika and Everyone,

At the risk of bringing back a misunderstanding that derailed the thread earlier on, I'll add my two bits. :-)

After reading the OP, I had an MBTI (Myers Briggs Type Indicator) moment and spotted trouble.  There's no problem with clarity, however, for those skim-reading and/or those triggered by specific words, the meaning can be misunderstood - even though the OP gives extremely clear, specific definitions for the terms "bend" and "break".  As with Carl Jung's seeming dichotomies (introverted versus extroverted, thinking versus feeling, judging versus perceiving, etc.), it's important to recognize these are *not* judgments where one side is good and the other bad.  Likewise, they are (in fact) scalar and thus not mutually exclusive.  A person rests somewhere on each scale and may thereby have a complex mixture of attributes.

To clarify how I interpret the OP, I'll summarize with the following scale:  "bending to breaking".  Where, "bending" is an adaptive, dynamic dominance approach (using observation and two-way feedback) to determine the best way to dominate, lead, and help a given submissive grow, and "breaking" is a strict dominance approach in which a submissive is given the dominant's (possibly static) requirements and both benefit from their need/desire for templates.

In the general sense, I've met dominants of both types and I don't see one style as being intrinsically better than the other.

When I was a dominant, my approach tended to borrow from both camps.  There are certain, key things I wanted from a submissive and I was unwilling to bend on those.  Along the same lines, if I promised to do something or set consequences, unless there were special reasons not to, I always followed through (even when I didn't want to or it wasn't convenient).  This is a lesson I learned the hard way.  If you don't follow through, submissives learn your word means nothing and start providing structures of their own instead of the ones you're trying to instill.  At heart though, I'm a soft romantic and I enjoy hearing my partner's thoughts, incorporating both our ideas, and... *shock* pleasing my partner.  I won't take the cliche cop-out and equate this with my submissive, inner soul.  Rather, I enjoyed guiding my submissives and helping them grow, and to do this, I found it critical to incorporate their desires, strengths, weaknesses, dreams, etc. in my planning.  In this regard, I'm very much a "bending" type of dominant.  People aren't static and nor does a single method work with all people.  Thus, I think it's essential to incorporate discovery, feedback, learning, and adjustment into one's dominant approach.

As a submissive, I enjoy dominants who use aspects of both approaches.  However, I'll somewhat contradict what I said earlier (regarding neither approach being intrinsically better than the other).  I avoid dominants who lean greatly toward a "breaking" style because I don't find this workable in long-term relationships.  For starters, as a human being, I endeavour to be educated and well balanced, and to manage my own person, as it were.  I don't need someone micromanaging me and I'm not effective under stoic rules and static leadership.  Also, it would be a lie if I didn't say I have my own desires and things I want "just so".  The question becomes "what things are important to my dominant that they must have and what things are important to me that I'd like to have".  I've never been involved in any long-term relationship that doesn't require communication, compromise, and patience from all partners.  Some breaking style dominants do compromise, but my experience has been those who lean toward the far spectrum really don't (and I admire that they're honest about saying this).  This said, I'm much more compatible with dominants who identify with the modus operandi "even though I'm dominant, this still doesn't mean I'll get my way all the time".  Similarly, my relationships have been more successful with dominants who motivate with affection and who deal with conflict by showing empathy as opposed to those who point to doctrine (consented to and agreed upon though it may be) and say "obey or hit the road".  There probably are submissives who need and flourish under strict, unflinching enforcement, but I'm not one of them.

Elan.

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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/5/2009 6:29:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveluci
quote:

ORIGINAL: kyraofMists
For me, my behavior does not define who I am. My core character strengths are what makes me who I am and the behavior is only a reflection of that core. As a result, I don't have a lot of problems changing my behavior to suit his will.

Another great summation. It makes perfect sense but, if you wouldn't mind, could you give us a more concrete, specific example? I'd be really interested to hear it.

luci


I am not sure that I am clear on what you are wanting examples of, my character strengths or behaviors that I have changed?

Some of my character strengths are integrity, analytical, love of learning, adaptability... those are all part of who I am.

There are many different behaviors that can reflect that core. This past winter I learned to downhill ski. In the past I have studied math, meteorology and physics. That drew from the analytical strength and from my love of learning.

In my relationship one of the biggest changes I have made in my behavior is accepting and enjoying a poly relationship. For the most part, I am a monogamous person. I had to change a lot of behaviors/mindsets in order to get to a place where I can be happy with an open, poly relationship.

If that doesn't answer your question, can you please clarify?

Knight's Kyra


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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/5/2009 6:32:02 PM   
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I think ElanSubdued hits the perfect word: micro-managed.  I have seen some sub/slaves want/need/desire MM since to them that's the only definition of slavery they are familiar with.  "If I can follow this Dom/Domme's micro-managment instructions, then I am a good slave."

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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/5/2009 6:56:46 PM   
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alittleevil,

Thanks for illuminating dynamics that (admittedly) I've had some bad experiences with.  After reading your thoughts, I'm pondering whether my experiences are effected by the dynamics themselves or more by overall compatibility.  Thank you for giving me something to think about.

Elan.

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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/5/2009 7:18:01 PM   
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Lance,

quote:

I think ElanSubdued hits the perfect word: micro-managed.  I have seen some sub/slaves want/need/desire MM since to them that's the only definition of slavery they are familiar with.  "If I can follow this Dom/Domme's micro-management instructions, then I am a good slave."


This reflects my initial foray into BDSM.  And yes, it was the only definition I was familiar with.  Thankfully, that changed. :-)

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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/5/2009 10:06:31 PM   
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If you wish to use the term "break" for a structured, and unyielding style of dominance, then that would be me. I am a problem solver by profession, so I actually use whatever method that will yield the desired effect, based upon return on investment. I use methods of Internal Enlavement, but there are times that I must use the bend method, especially if it is a highly charged emotional situation, that I have not programmed a response into her yet.

If I were to use those terms in a statement it would be: I break down the layers of her surrender, so that I may bend her to my will.



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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/5/2009 10:22:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I'm curious about two very different approaches to dominance and all the variations in between. I'm not interested in judging which is better, but rather in understanding mindsets and motivations.

I bend. That means I'm adaptive. I don't have a set protocol or rules that boys must follow. In fact, the way in which I'll be dominant with someone will be highly affected by my submissive partner. What I like to do is get into their mind and shake things up in there. This doesn't mean that my partner doesn't have to adapt. But they will in reaction to the course of action I've decided on based on my analysis of how to best dominate them.

I know others who break. They have a very my way or the highway approach to being a dominant. They have a very strict set of requirements, rules, perhaps even rituals. A submissive partner either meets the requirements and conforms, or the deal is broken.

What about you (or your dominant)? Do you bend or break or something in between or something completely different? And most importantly, why?

- LA


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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/5/2009 11:00:11 PM   
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I bend to be honest I am very good.

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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/6/2009 3:00:59 AM   
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If I misunderstood the OP...perhasp the OP was not clear.
Now..calm down...and accept people answer your thread with post you don't agree with.




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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/6/2009 3:02:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: crazyml

quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696

If I misunderstood the OP...perhasp the OP was not clear.
Now..calm down...and accept people answer your thread with post you don't agree with.




Dude, you misunderstood the post, and it was very clear.





don't dude me.
IF you read the posts above, you would have seen we already solved the issue.

post 53 on page 3 and on


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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/6/2009 3:05:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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Frankly, I think its you who needs to apologize. And dont assume you have the right to dictate how someone answers.


I have the right to ask someone to stay on topic.

That's all I will say on this matter. The thread has been derailed enough.

- LA

Actually, you have no rights to that as an O.P.
He was on topic. Its not for you to dictate about derailing. Thats the moderators job.
He gave an opinion. I gave mine. i dont feel its proper ettiquette to patronize people. He called your idea of breaking rubbish. You took it way too personally. He didnt call you rubbish.


[Edited because the fracas was cleared up - My apologies for jumping in before getting to the end of the thread.]




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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/6/2009 3:10:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Justme696

quote:

ORIGINAL: crazyml

quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696

If I misunderstood the OP...perhasp the OP was not clear.
Now..calm down...and accept people answer your thread with post you don't agree with.




Dude, you misunderstood the post, and it was very clear.





don't dude me.
IF you read the posts above, you would have seen we already solved the issue.

post 53 on page 3 and on



Yes, my apologies - my edit and your post crossed.



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RE: Do you bend or break? - 12/6/2009 3:11:48 AM   
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No problem :)

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