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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/24/2006 3:28:28 AM   
MichMasochist


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Alot of us guys deel like that. The compelling drive to compete and win against other males.

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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/24/2006 3:32:03 AM   
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All of the reasons I feel are accurate have been posted already so I will only add this.
Attention male subs:
Male subs want to meet Dommes.
Dommes go to munches.
Do the math - if you want to meet us, go to where we are. We aren't on the computer 24/7. We are not going to knock on your door. We do want to meet you but some of the effort has to be yours.
Hope to see you soon!

Lady Snow



Dommes go to munches, I heard that. Well you're the first non-pro in my admittedly limited experiance.

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Mich



Good advice, Lady Snow.

Yes, Mich, non pros go.... I'm another who attends munches. lol

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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/24/2006 4:04:55 AM   
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Yes, Mich, non pros go.... I'm another who attends munches. lol

Oumae


Another one for the list of non pros who attend munches.  

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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/24/2006 5:59:38 AM   
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Check your local dungeons

 
Beach,
I read this and had an honest to goodness laugh out loud experience.

How jaded are we? People here talk about how they have to drive hundreds of miles to have an opportunity to go to one, not so well 'furnished' club.

How very true. I tend to forget that the rest of the country isn't quite so active BDSMwise. I tell ya, if I ever move, I will be checking out the scene BEFOREHAND. Don't ever want to move to a BDSM dead zone. I love being spoiled. :-D




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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/24/2006 6:09:12 AM   
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One, I am DEATHLY afraid of running into someone I know! 

Second, and the most pertinent, I do not fancy the idea of being submissive around other males, ESPECIALLY if any are "dom".

You aren't going to a munch to submit, you're going to talk. It is a social event, not a play event. No public submission expected or usually even wanted.

As to running into people you know.. as I told a friend who was mortified to shop at K-mart (he's a bit of a snob) anyone who sees you shopping there is ALSO shopping at K-mart. If you mean you're worried about someone who isn't part of the group seeing you at a munch, it isn't like there is a huge sign over the table saying KINKY PERVS. Most groups call themselves a "computer group." The one I attend is officially a co-ed softball team. (I think we need to have shirts made up calling ourselves the Ballers. lol) Munches are supposed to be discrete. Most of them try to get a back room or table away from other diners, simply because a bunch of people talking and laughing about anything disturbs other diners. 

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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/24/2006 6:15:26 AM   
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Ok, I am going to take a stab at this one.  I am a male sub and I have never, and probably will never go to a munch and there are two reasons for this.  One, I am DEATHLY afraid of running into someone I know!  Second, and the most pertinent, I do not fancy the idea of being submissive around other males, ESPECIALLY if any are "dom".  I don't know, call it a "male" thing or whatever, but I just can't be submissive around other men.  Maybe this means I am not a "true" sub to some, but I think, no, I know I am.  You can read whatever you want into my reasons and make any judgements about myself that you wish, but these are my reasons, plain and simple.  Also, I realize my profile is empty as I am not actively seeking at this time as I come here for the message boards only so please, no comments about this fact.

M


As someone who isn't interested in meeting other people and isn't seeking a female dominant, you're probably doing everything right.  After all, I don't enjoy rollercoasters so I don't go on them.   If an event or an activity has no benefit to you, then there is no reason even to consider going.



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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/24/2006 6:30:25 AM   
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i try to attend as many local Munches as possiable ,i am  male sub and enjoy attending .
The Munch i attend usally has no  Dommes so i often end up sitting by my self at a table because most that attend are couples Masters and females sub .
Some subs are switches . By watching and listening to Masters and subs i am always learning new things about the lifestyle .
i also enjoying listening to them talk attending  events and often i wish i ahd someone to company me to them .
sissy brenda

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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/24/2006 7:01:31 AM   
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brendatvbb, I realize Chicago is 3+ hours away from you, but there is a Club FEm chapter there. You might see if they have any weekend munches and go for a day trip or something. http://clubfem.com



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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/24/2006 7:46:43 AM   
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In my hometown many years ago i attended many munches and outings but i also was in a re;ationship with someone who also liked the munch scenes.  many years later i made a move to Texas and tried attending munches in Houston. i felt totally out of place and the Dominant women were all involved already. Not trying to land sex or anything, just wanted to meet who i may be able to eventually be involved with. No one showed much interest at all so i stopped attending. Then i get a flurry of emails, "Why are you not coming to the Munches? We thought you liked to attend etc etc". Well YEAH but eventually i would like to be involved with someone. HELLO?? Its hard to view a munch from the outside looking in when you are the 'new guy'. No one wants to take a chance on you. I`m back in my hometown but haven`t yet gotten involved with the oldschoolers i knew some many mons ago. Another thing i learned a long time ago, some claimed to be Dommess and yet are even more submissive than i am. Sigh, where does it all end and begin anyways? A good sub just wants to know theres someone interested and no head games. When people are more straightforward and less judgemental (as well as fullofcrap), then munches will see more sub males attending. I cant really speak for all submales but i can say fromexperience theres too much judging going on. Too many want a superhunk Conan to walk through the door, sorry but thats not going to happen. Us plain ol average 'cute' guys arent what they want. So we dont bother wasting out own time after awhile. "You arent what Im looking for" is the usual garbage we are fed .

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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/24/2006 11:06:44 AM   
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That's what I've been trying to tell everyone .  This is one of the few places the the Domme/sub ratio is in our favor guys!!!

Besides, munches aren't for role playing, they're for meeting people so no need to worry about male Doms.

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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/24/2006 11:12:30 AM   
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Dommes who are more submissive than the sub guys they top. On the next show of heroldo. :) Would that be bottoming from the top? Seriously I read that complaint before, so you're not the only one to make that observation.

I've learned long ago by the look on a womans face, in the first five seconds, of her seeing me weather or not to even say hello. Like you I'm no Conan or Tarzan. Seeing as how I've had a few long term GF's in my day I must not be unattractive, or too ill-mannered.

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Domme-who-has-a-Master phenomena - 3/24/2006 7:58:44 PM   
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 Another thing i learned a long time ago, some claimed to be Dommess and yet are even more submissive than i am. .

Dommes who are more submissive than the sub guys they top. On the next show of heroldo. :) Would that be bottoming from the top? Seriously I read that complaint before, so you're not the only one to make that observation.


Actually, this touches on something I've been noticing in FemDom profiles lately; the Domme-who-has-a-Master phenomena. Half the time the "Domme" is looking for a femsub. A new way of the sub having to procure other females for their Dom? A few of them seem like they may be legitimate switches, but you'd expect their profiles to be under switch, not Domme. It seems a little off to me, though I can't quite put my finger on why.



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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/25/2006 2:48:29 AM   
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A question, if I may... garnered from my own experience.

What does an uncollared male submissive do to meet a Domme when the local munch has only one? When She attends, She, like everyone else at the munch, is paired off with her submissive and thus not interested in taking on another?  The group is small and cordial but they attend in "matched sets"... Dom(me)/sub. I stopped attending the monthly meetings after going six times because I really felt like I was "odd man out."  

The next nearest munch group is much further distant and traveling beyond an hour to that munch is just not practical for me to simply eat a meal with people who are doing what I can only hope to do.

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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/25/2006 7:37:18 AM   
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Ok, I am going to take a stab at this one.  I am a male sub and I have never, and probably will never go to a munch and there are two reasons for this.  One, I am DEATHLY afraid of running into someone I know!  Second, and the most pertinent, I do not fancy the idea of being submissive around other males, ESPECIALLY if any are "dom".  I don't know, call it a "male" thing or whatever, but I just can't be submissive around other men.  Maybe this means I am not a "true" sub to some, but I think, no, I know I am.  You can read whatever you want into my reasons and make any judgements about myself that you wish, but these are my reasons, plain and simple.  Also, I realize my profile is empty as I am not actively seeking at this time as I come here for the message boards only so please, no comments about this fact.

M


1) There aren't any Criers at the door to announce that you're there, and submissive. It's just like any other group of friends going out to dinner, or drinks. The only people who might see you, would already be a part of the munch

2) Who said you had to be submissive to males?  I treat Dom's like I'd treat any other male in my prescence, which is not submissive at all.

3) Why state your opinion in an open fourm, and then tell people not to form an opinion of you? If you don't want any feedback on your post, or you as a person...Don't post an opinion!

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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/26/2006 5:02:41 AM   
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when i looked at your picture i was blinded by the light!  :)

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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/27/2006 8:12:47 AM   
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A question, if I may... garnered from my own experience.

What does an uncollared male submissive do to meet a Domme when the local munch has only one? When She attends, She, like everyone else at the munch, is paired off with her submissive and thus not interested in taking on another?  The group is small and cordial but they attend in "matched sets"... Dom(me)/sub. I stopped attending the monthly meetings after going six times because I really felt like I was "odd man out."  

The next nearest munch group is much further distant and traveling beyond an hour to that munch is just not practical for me to simply eat a meal with people who are doing what I can only hope to do.



You go and you make friends. Show up time after time and make an effort to join conversations. Yeah.. so the woman has a sub now. That may change in four months. This isn't about instant gratification. Other Domme may show up at times. And when you become friends with people, they keep you in mind when a friend of theirs is seeking someone. Show off your good manners, friendly style, fun nature and have a good time!

Oh, and as to why it is hard for a male sub to get people to talk to them at a munch.. it may be because people don't expect them to show up again, so they don't bother putting an effort into getting to know them. So do be patient and keep showing up.


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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/27/2006 11:18:17 AM   
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when i looked at your picture i was blinded by the light!  :)


Are you sure it was the light?.. I've heard other things can impair a person's eyesight

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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/27/2006 11:26:47 AM   
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What does an uncollared male submissive do to meet a Domme when the local munch has only one?


Another reason is, the old "Do you have a friend?" question. How better to find out where all the Dommes in your neighborhood are hiding than to ask one? The reason no Dommes are showing up may be that no male subs show up. Asking the Domme in residence may be a good way of meeting one 'up close and personal' the next time.

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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/27/2006 11:01:45 PM   
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Hi :)

I just thought I'd throw in my 2 pesos. I've had both plesant and non-plesant experiences as a male sub in BDSM communities.

When I lived in Houston in 02, I went to munches, parties, you name it! I met a ton of friends that I miss and love very much. I also met a Domme that I was with for 2 years. That being said, Houston is a BIG city with about 20 clubs :) Club Fem, HPEP, EROS, etc etc etc. One thing that helped me in the Houston community was that I was with a Domme who was very outgoing and already had a ton of friends. Naturally, her friends became my friends. Then I started making my own friends. I was lucky in more ways then one.

Fast forward two years and I'm back in sunny San Diego California. I missed all of my friends, the scene, my Domme, etc, so I tried to find the same community here. Naturally, I went to the biggest group around and attended a few munches. This is where I had problems.

First off, I'm a VERY shy person. I think most male subs are shy. I think for the most part, it comes with the territory. This makes it hard to walk up to a group of strangers and inject yourself in a conversation. Very hard. Second, everyond does have their own groups, cliques, whatever you want to call them. I'm not trying to compare a BDSM group to high school here, as everyone is very nice, but it's hard to walk up to a group of people who are obviously close and be an outsider. It's especailly hard for a single male sub because there are so few Dommes and single women in general and 20 single men. Our society promotes compitition amonst men as it is. This is doubly so in the world of Dommes and male subs. The reason I bring this up is because people are stand-offish in general to a single male. Guys do that guy thing of sizing each other up, and women wonder if you're only there because you want "kinky sex". I've heard this opinion several times in this thread. Every male sub I knew in Houston and here are people who are looking for a meaningful connection with power exchange. This includes me :) If I wanted kinky sex, I'd tie my g/f up ;)

That being said, everyone I've met in the scene out here are very nice. Even the stand-offish ones. I was never treated rudely or otherwise unpleasent. But for a shy introvert, it's hard to be a single male in a new community. I did have a few guys who weren't really interested in making another guy friend, but they weren't rude about it.

While these reasons made it VERY hard for me to attend munches, I stopped going for different reasons. Simply put - I work 60 hour work weeks and go to school full time. IF I have a night off, I'm most likely asleep :) When I graduate in a year, I'll probably hit the local community again full force. I know there are a few Fem Domme munches and meetings that I would like to try attending (Including  Club Femme in North County)

When I first moved back, I went to a Club Fem munch in LA and a Lair De Sade (sp?) function. I had a blast and even saw some familiar faces! (SUPRISE!). I highly recommend any male subs in LA to check out the local munches. One of the advantages you have is that, again, it's a BIG city! That means lots of people, which means lots of Female Domme's who are looking for subs.

So in summary, in my experience:

Male subs are shy.
Guys hate dealing with the fact that everyone thinks they are trolling.
It's hard to be an outsider when you're a single male.

Have a great day :)

David

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RE: Why don't male subs go to munches? - 3/28/2006 12:50:29 PM   
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I'm very sorry to have to tell you this, but Club FEm no longer exists out here. Here is the site for the San Diego located events. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/San_Diego_Alternative_Lifestyles/ Good hunting.

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