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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 1:13:41 PM   
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I think I better wuickly add that my comments about the health of the gene pool should in no way be mistaken as a rationale for any sort of institutional eugenics scheme, other than a general philosophy regarding economic externalities: i.e., a certain rate of random mutation is part of the natural order of things, over time, the beneficial ones tend to be selected in, the detrimental ones, selected out - whereas arbitrarily subjecting entire populations to starvation and/or malnutition, and/or saturating the environment with heavy metals or other neurotoxins does damage to the gene pool on much larger, and more difficult to rectify scale, often with long term consequences, on the order of centuries.

Once a psychopathic pre-adaptation is triggered, for example, it may be heritable for up to 20 generations.



Dude, I scored perfectly on my verbal SAT's, won a spelling bee on TV when I was six and took the Mensa test..... and I can honestly say I don't know what the hell you are talking about relevant to this thread.

Maybe I am just hormonal and my brain is foggy, ya know how it is for us girls.?
I hope your back is more entertaining than your front.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 1:33:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: xssve

I think I better wuickly add that my comments about the health of the gene pool should in no way be mistaken as a rationale for any sort of institutional eugenics scheme, other than a general philosophy regarding economic externalities: i.e., a certain rate of random mutation is part of the natural order of things, over time, the beneficial ones tend to be selected in, the detrimental ones, selected out - whereas arbitrarily subjecting entire populations to starvation and/or malnutition, and/or saturating the environment with heavy metals or other neurotoxins does damage to the gene pool on much larger, and more difficult to rectify scale, often with long term consequences, on the order of centuries.

Once a psychopathic pre-adaptation is triggered, for example, it may be heritable for up to 20 generations.



Dude, I scored perfectly on my verbal SAT's, won a spelling bee on TV when I was six and took the Mensa test..... and I can honestly say I don't know what the hell you are talking about relevant to this thread.

Maybe I am just hormonal and my brain is foggy, ya know how it is for us girls.?
I hope your back is more entertaining than your front.



LOL. Wow, you sure got me...when not using multisyllabic words your wit is truly amazing. I bow to the creativity of the insult you just put forth.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 1:34:13 PM   
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It's not a poor response, it's a humourous one ;-)


Mea culpa, then. From the tone of previous posts, I didn't catch the humor in this one (I'm near-sighted with regard to humor, anyway). Smileys help ameliorate the lack of tone of voice in online "speech." I should try to use them a bit more frequently, myself. I'll take the half liking as a compliment; merci beaucoup, et «bonne année» à vous aussi.

Health,
al-Aswad.


It's that Norwegian sense of humour, no worries. I have a few Norwegian friends ;-)

And for the effort in French, merci beaucoup. I full on like you now!

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 1:35:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: xssve

I think I better wuickly add that my comments about the health of the gene pool should in no way be mistaken as a rationale for any sort of institutional eugenics scheme, other than a general philosophy regarding economic externalities: i.e., a certain rate of random mutation is part of the natural order of things, over time, the beneficial ones tend to be selected in, the detrimental ones, selected out - whereas arbitrarily subjecting entire populations to starvation and/or malnutition, and/or saturating the environment with heavy metals or other neurotoxins does damage to the gene pool on much larger, and more difficult to rectify scale, often with long term consequences, on the order of centuries.

Once a psychopathic pre-adaptation is triggered, for example, it may be heritable for up to 20 generations.



Dude, I scored perfectly on my verbal SAT's, won a spelling bee on TV when I was six and took the Mensa test..... and I can honestly say I don't know what the hell you are talking about relevant to this thread.

Maybe I am just hormonal and my brain is foggy, ya know how it is for us girls.?
I hope your back is more entertaining than your front.



LOL. Wow, you sure got me...when not using multisyllabic words your wit is truly amazing. I bow to the creativity of the insult you just put forth.
Thank you, and yes, you type beautifully, it's very humbling.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 1:38:35 PM   
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Honestly, I think big words get in the way of communication. They're a useful shorthand between specialists. Outside of that, they're just a way for insecure people to proclaim how much education and intelligence they think they have.


I absolutely totally agree 100% with this statement. One way intelligence can be demonstrated is when you can explain something you are in expert in laymen's terms to a group.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 1:39:08 PM   
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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 1:59:29 PM   
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I think this is the thread he is referring to. You may want to gather food and drink together, this is a long one.  http://www.collarchat.com/m_2388292/mpage_1/tm.htm


Then he has apparently not comprehended the content and purpose of that thread, as was expected.

And, apparently, made little to no distinction between the opinions of the Gorean posters, their kajirae, and the rest who posted there. Which really doesn't give a workable picture of anything. And, yeah, it does go on a little bit, it seems. I switched to reading prime numbered pages after the 4th page, to get a rough impression of where it went from there (that's when it seems to start slipping).

Still, thanks for providing the link.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 2:11:45 PM   
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Who got spunk in your eyes? Sie müssen für den Mund schießen.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 2:39:03 PM   
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The gun at  the camera pic was taken by my Man he thought it was hot and was a joking respone to the psssst....your gun isn't loaded comment made to me by Loki last night.


Now we know you're delusional. I made no such comment, ever. That was Lucienne. Though I can understand why you would attribute it to me -- you think it makes your weak argument stronger. It doesn't. I made no comment regarding guns at all until you posted the pic and the comment I made about it was that you display poor gun safety.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 2:52:28 PM   
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Then he has apparently not comprehended the content and purpose of that thread, as was expected.


If you mean that some people in that thread managed to reach conclusions that bore a remarkable resemblance to common sense, you have a point - if you mean that this is the result of Gorean philosophy in action, I'd counter that this happened in spite of it, not because of it.

But maybe that's just me.

It fascinates me that on the most incredible, global information exchange technology ever dreamed of, all some people can manage is to complain about typing, and how big words hurt head. S'what Google is for.

tnks fr teh lulz.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 3:17:18 PM   
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Last time I was in here it was all French.  Now it's German.  Dang.. How bout y'all speak a the Spanish, and I can get witcha.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 3:55:23 PM   
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Who got spunk in your eyes? Sie müssen für den Mund schießen.


He claimed it was for taking him too literal about keeping my eyes wide open and my mouth shut.

I just think his aim sucked.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 4:01:34 PM   
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Honestly, I think big words get in the way of communication. They're a useful shorthand between specialists. Outside of that, they're just a way for insecure people to proclaim how much education and intelligence they think they have.


I absolutely totally agree 100% with this statement. One way intelligence can be demonstrated is when you can explain something you are in expert in laymen's terms to a group.

- LA


There's a nice middle-ground to be had though, between seriously specialised language, and monosyllabic "I have a 300 words vocabulary and that makes me the opposite of a snob/elitist libewal and as a result, I am a twue Amewikan who loves Palin" kind of dichotomy.

Know what I mean :-) ? I'm not going to stop employing my rather rich vocabulary just to placate those people that are too ignorant to understand certain words (or, indeed, are too lazy to run to a dictionary when they encounter a term that bypasses them).

Fuck 'em .



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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 4:03:02 PM   
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The patriarchy is just shit men came up with to do while women were caught up in their drama.


Nice example of misogyny - if I look at history, I see that a huge percentage of the 'drama' is a male creation.


::eyeroll::  Way to be the cliche there.

That I acknowledge that women have their own drama -- and sorry, but the basic point that was being made, that women are their own worst enemy and that men don't have to do much at all to keep women down, is painfully true -- doesn't mean I am incapable of recognizing that men have their own drama.

Recognizing that men and women are different from each other in a broad, general sense, and that we have different ways of thinking and being that produce different results is not misogyny.  Even if one happens to be noting the negative consequences of certain types of behavior common to women.  Recognizing that women have flaws, both individually and collectively, is not hateful.



You're responsible for talking in cliche, and stereotypes. Own it, man, and stop whining.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 4:08:32 PM   
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Hmm. How about we just acknowledge that we are very different women, and stop the sniping bullshit, both sides of it, and debate without namecalling and you don't owe me an apology, just perhaps we could be both be a bit more civil or at least not so quick to attack without giving the posts of each other actual consideration and taking them for what they are? It's better than this.



I can deal with that.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 4:18:09 PM   
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Actually, that's not accurate. It's got more to do with men easily over-powering women and children and thus all of them dying. It's an act of chivalry -- an out-dated concept, in my opinion, thanks to feminism. (Ain't feminism grand?)

The explanation can be found here.


Reading that, it shows that the women and children were already in the lifeboats before the soldiers stopped the panic. So there was already a sense of 'women and children first' if not that exact phrase.

My opinion is that, on a biological level, men are expendable. Extremely expendable. If there were only a thousand people left in the world, the species would have a fair chance at survival if only one of them was a fertile man in his young 20's. He could impregnate 999 women in a few years, maybe less than that.

If you had one woman and 999 men, even if she had a baby each year, starting at age 18, and somehow managed to survive postapocalyptica to age 68, you'd have 50 offspring. With one man and 999 women, same reproductive rate, you'd have 50,000 offspring. And don't question my math, I'm counting on the fact that there will be a few sets of twins

People often separate 'social behaviours' from 'natural behaviours' but I believe that social behaviours are just an extension of natural behaviours because if they weren't natural we wouldn't have structured our society like that way back when we did. And it's just evolved, it hasn't strayed too far from instinctive behaviour. So the idea of 'chivalry' is likely based in the sense men have that women (and by extension, children) are the cornerstones of civilization, and men are the protectors who keep it safe and the adventurers who help it advance. A man dying to save a woman can tell himself he's done something noble - he's sacrificed himself for his civilization.

That being said I imagine it would take near superhuman amounts of self control to allow oneself to die for a shipful of strangers if you were a single man travelling alone. But perhaps the social stigma of surviving would be enough to tip the scale?

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 4:26:54 PM   
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But maybe that's just me.


nope..it is not me

btw. I would like to wish every one a healthy 2010. We are already in it.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 5:05:00 PM   
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You're responsible for talking in cliche, and stereotypes. Own it, man, and stop whining.


What exactly do you mean?  I mean precisely.  Because I don't know what you're talking about.  You're communicating nothing to me with this comment except disrespect; there's nothing substantive to these statements.




If you are concerned with respect on this forum, you are really gonna have to get over that.


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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 5:09:44 PM   
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Not true. There are plenty of respected posters here. If you're looking to be respected though, you'll have to earn it. I see nothing inherently wrong with acting disrespectful toward someone you have no respect for.

Politeness on the other hand, that's fair to expect. But only if the person expecting it is polite himself.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/31/2009 5:31:40 PM   
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Actually, that's not accurate. It's got more to do with men easily over-powering women and children and thus all of them dying. It's an act of chivalry -- an out-dated concept, in my opinion, thanks to feminism. (Ain't feminism grand?)

The explanation can be found here.


Reading that, it shows that the women and children were already in the lifeboats before the soldiers stopped the panic. So there was already a sense of 'women and children first' if not that exact phrase.

My opinion is that, on a biological level, men are expendable. Extremely expendable. If there were only a thousand people left in the world, the species would have a fair chance at survival if only one of them was a fertile man in his young 20's. He could impregnate 999 women in a few years, maybe less than that.

If you had one woman and 999 men, even if she had a baby each year, starting at age 18, and somehow managed to survive postapocalyptica to age 68, you'd have 50 offspring. With one man and 999 women, same reproductive rate, you'd have 50,000 offspring. And don't question my math, I'm counting on the fact that there will be a few sets of twins


Theoretically - however, it would be less than ideal.

I can't recall what exact number of women were left on Pitcairn Island after every man but one offed each other - mostly over women - but the survivors did not benefit from the drastic reduction in genetic diversity that resulted.

It was one of those situations that could have been resolved with polyandry, and although it's possible they didn't have enough population to get a healthy gene pool going to begin with, the results might have been less tragic.

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