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Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 9:33:46 AM   
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I get group-posted nonsense from the Internet in my home email from time to time...usually jokes or unusual pictures. However, I received this one today:

"America, Canada, all Europe ..... needs a President like this.

"Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - Australia

"Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

"Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.

"Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.'

"'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, Learn the Language!'

"'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

"'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

"'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.'
'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.' Maybe if we circulate this , American citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same truths.
If you agree, please SEND THIS ON."


I usually ignore this stuff. Not today. My group reply:

America was founded by a group of very different people whose early leaders were all too familiar with the tyrannical role religion played in government. Even though these leaders argued and argued fiercely about many, many issues, they were clear on this point--the new nation would have a government separate from religion, ruling a country where its citizens were free to practice whatever religion they choose. This was the Age of Enlightenment, and the law of reason would guide the new state.

19th and 20th century evangelicals felt differently. In the early 20th century, they even succeeded in adding "In God We Trust" to the nation's currency, a move religious president Theodore Roosevelt strongly opposed as sacrilege. Today, people insist, against all evidence, that America's founders designed a Christian nation, despite their rigorous omission of the mention of Christ from any government documents. Some people today, ignoring both historical tyranny and modern day examples, wish to create a theocracy in the U.S. It is a horrible mistake, and goes against everything this nation was founded upon. It is also an aberration against religion.

In 19th century America, the new railroads needed workers. They also need towns and people to populate them along the new rail routes. Since the U.S. didn't have sufficient population, in numbers or willing participants, they invited immigrants. Literally--ran massive ad campaigns to sell Europeans on coming to America. There were literally more Irish in New York City than in Dublin. Town after town of German immigrants spread across the midwest. And in darker times, America became a refuge for the scientists and artists and social leaders facing death in their own countries--immigrants who helped change a backwater country into the center for the arts and science it is today.

Every business of even moderate size today does business overseas. These are our markets. We are citizens of the world. It makes sense to talk calmly and reasonably to other nations, even as we keep the ability to use stronger methods when necessary. Arrogant cowboys strutting about telling the rest of the world to go to hell, we're Americans, is neither patriotic, effective, nor reasonable. It only proves to the rest of the world that we cannot be reasoned with, that the only thing we listen to are nuclear weapons, and they'd better hurry to get some.

Mindless blather circulating the Internet has replaced thinking. If America faces any particular difficulty, it's that. Legal immigrants of varied backgrounds are no threat whatsoever. Who cares if we have multilingual people? Anyone who thinks they deliberately sit around refusing to learn English is an idiot--this would only make their life harder. I have seen many of these people, struggling to finish a college degree in a language they are still learning while working crappy full time jobs and living with their families and a few others in just a few rooms. And they do it. They fricking successfully do it! America needs more people like that, people with courage and determination, people with the will to make their lives and their world better than it is. More people with real spirit, and less mouths bitching on the Internet.

The message also ignores the reality of the millions of Muslims who live in the U.S.--doctors and scientists and professors and every other profession, just like everyone else. They don't practice Sharia law here. They don't try to, and they don't want to. They see themselves as Americans, and they follow the law of the land.

Theocratic, jingoistic Christians in America should follow their example or get out. Australia seems a possibility.

This crap angers me. Stop it. Use your brains and think, for Christ's sake.


And it does. Nothing politically correct about it--just mindless blather that people are listening to and starting to believe.

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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 10:33:02 AM   
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Soooooo, is he single?

What?

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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 11:49:34 AM   
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BUT...don't you respect someone who acts, and governs, and means exactly what he says? He represents the feelings of his people and it is his duty to follow those feelings.

I saw nothing in his speech that was racist in any way.

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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 11:50:42 AM   
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We all know where "governing with feelings" leads to.

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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 11:54:05 AM   
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We all know where "governing with feelings" leads to.


"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"?

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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 11:55:22 AM   
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No. "Arbeit macht frei".

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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 11:58:39 AM   
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There is no such thing as the right theocracy, militocracy, exarchy, ecclesiarchy, aristocracy, paparchy, hagiarchy, obligarchy, plutocracy or kakistocracy.

I tells you!

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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 12:00:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

No. "Arbeit macht frei".


Wir wissen, das ein Untruth ist.

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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 12:04:34 PM   
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I know you're not arguing that it isn't with this kind of hateful rhetoric that the Nazis nearly achieved their goal.

I'm with Muse on this one. It's precisely this kind of disgusting and divisive discourse that promotes hatred and violence. Such peddling to xenophobia and cretinous beliefs is shameful.

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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 12:10:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I know you're not arguing that it isn't with this kind of hateful rhetoric that the Nazis nearly achieved their goal.

I'm with Muse on this one. It's precisely this kind of disgusting and divisive discourse that promotes hatred and violence. Such peddling to xenophobia and cretinous beliefs is shameful.


You're hoping. You do not know.

I simply point out that we know that work hardly makes one free.

If anything, one becomes a slave of sorts to work.

Not everything uttered within these walls needs be political.

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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 12:16:17 PM   
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They weren't strutting, they were telling people who wanted to come to Australia only to change it to leave.
Anyone CAN assimilate, they just need a reason to, rather than expect their failure to assimilate to be coddled.

And then you finish your message with, "The people that don't fit MY way of thinking should leave!"
Were you intentionally being ironic?

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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 12:18:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I know you're not arguing that it isn't with this kind of hateful rhetoric that the Nazis nearly achieved their goal.

I'm with Muse on this one. It's precisely this kind of disgusting and divisive discourse that promotes hatred and violence. Such peddling to xenophobia and cretinous beliefs is shameful.


You're hoping. You do not know.

I simply point out that we know that work hardly makes one free.

If anything, one becomes a slave of sorts to work.

Not everything uttered within these walls needs be political.

chia* (the pet)



Alright, perhaps it would be refreshing if you made an earnest comment, for once - especially when the subject merits it?

Not everything uttered within these walls needs be taken for a laughing matter.

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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 12:19:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: EPGAH

They weren't strutting, they were telling people who wanted to come to Australia only to change it to leave.
Anyone CAN assimilate, they just need a reason to, rather than expect their failure to assimilate to be coddled.

And then you finish your message with, "The people that don't fit MY way of thinking should leave!"
Were you intentionally being ironic?



Oh good God, it's you. I thought you'd left for pastures new .

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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 12:21:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol


quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I know you're not arguing that it isn't with this kind of hateful rhetoric that the Nazis nearly achieved their goal.

I'm with Muse on this one. It's precisely this kind of disgusting and divisive discourse that promotes hatred and violence. Such peddling to xenophobia and cretinous beliefs is shameful.


You're hoping. You do not know.

I simply point out that we know that work hardly makes one free.

If anything, one becomes a slave of sorts to work.

Not everything uttered within these walls needs be political.

chia* (the pet)



Alright, perhaps it would be refreshing if you made an earnest comment, for once - especially when the subject merits it?

Not everything uttered within these walls needs be taken for a laughing matter.


And there you have it.

Assimilate.

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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 12:26:37 PM   
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It makes the hairs on the back of my neck rise...and a lot of bile too



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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 12:29:04 PM   
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They weren't strutting, they were telling people who wanted to come to Australia only to change it to leave.
Anyone CAN assimilate, they just need a reason to, rather than expect their failure to assimilate to be coddled.

And then you finish your message with, "The people that don't fit MY way of thinking should leave!"
Were you intentionally being ironic?

Seems there isn't much difference between John Howard and Kevin Rudd sadly.

I always thought the immigrants to Australia were Christians, you’d think they’d be able to dig a little deeper and find some tolerance considering the origins of the nation.

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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 12:33:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

And there you have it.

Assimilate.

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Again... are you talking to me (I fucking well hope not, incidentally, because it would a rather offensive thing to tell someone), or are you making another inane and irrelevant comment? Are you just here to muddy the waters, or what? The Polls and Random Stupidity section is over there ----------> .

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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 12:35:24 PM   
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I always thought the immigrants to Australia where Christians, you’d think they’d be able to dig a little deeper and find some tolerance considering the origins of the nation.



I love how the bastard in question completely ignores the native Australians, who started as not at all Christian. Such bullshit... and the worse thing is, people fall for it

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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 12:36:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I know you're not arguing that it isn't with this kind of hateful rhetoric that the Nazis nearly achieved their goal.

I'm with Muse on this one. It's precisely this kind of disgusting and divisive discourse that promotes hatred and violence. Such peddling to xenophobia and cretinous beliefs is shameful.


You're hoping. You do not know.

I simply point out that we know that work hardly makes one free.

If anything, one becomes a slave of sorts to work.

Not everything uttered within these walls needs be political.

chia* (the pet)



sure it does...
when the work was done they were free to swim in the auschwitz olympic swimming pool :)







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RE: Wrong Theocracy - 1/3/2010 12:39:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol


quote:

ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

And there you have it.

Assimilate.

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Again... are you talking to me (I fucking well hope not, incidentally, because it would a rather offensive thing to tell someone), or are you making another inane and irrelevant comment? Are you just here to muddy the waters, or what? The Polls and Random Stupidity section is over there ----------> .


Yeah, right next to Australia I see.

Re-visit our exchange there Kittin.

Slowly, slowly...............

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