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Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the weathe... - 1/13/2010 3:40:21 PM

MzMia

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Like many people around the world I am watching coverage of the devasation that
just occurred in Haiti.

Haiti, the poorest country in the world, and now it has the dubious distinction
of being home of the "big one".

With all of the extreme weather we have witnessed for at least the past 8 years,
I wonder if there are STILL people that don't believe that the weather/climate is
changing drastically in a big way?

Haiti Earthquake Was the 'Big One' Says Top Seismologist - TIME

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 3:41:42 PM

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I am not sure, but I think it might be a stretch to blame and earthquake on climate change.

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 3:42:35 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I am not sure, but I think it might be a stretch to blame and earthquake on climate change.

Jeff

lol, sure Jeff it is just a coincidence.
Here are a couple of scientific articles that see it as I do.
Climate change may trigger earthquakes and volcanoes - environment - 23 September 2009 - New Scientist

Earthquakes, Tsunamis and the Like | Climate Change

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 3:45:33 PM

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Wow - even Art Bell and George Noory didn't make this connection!

Although since it was geological; maybe they did! Weird Object Zooming by Earth Wednesday is Likely an Asteroid

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 3:46:02 PM

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I believe the climate is changing. I am just not sure how it relates to geology.

It was a serious repsonse....lol

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 3:48:19 PM

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"Every earthquake teaches us something, but this is not really a remarkable earthquake — a similar one occurred in 1770 and 1751 on the fault."

Earthquakes are the result of shifts along the faultlines in the earth's crust, not climate change. They are normal - ableit tragic - occurances. The question is not "IF", it's "WHEN" regarding them.

A geologist summed it up to me once this way - it's like having a tree that is over in your yard, a millimeter away from falling completely over onto your house. You know that sooner or later the tree is going to fall on your house - but you can't predict the exact second that it will. You also don't know if it will be a direct hit, or perhaps be deflected and bounce off one way or another, or how much damage it's really going to cause when it does hit. Predicting earthquakes is like that. We can see it coming, but we are unable to predict the exact moment, or exactly how the "shift" will happen. Which is sad. But it's not due to global warming or climate change.

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 3:52:57 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I am not sure, but I think it might be a stretch to blame and earthquake on climate change.

Jeff

lol, sure Jeff it is just a coincidence.
Here are a couple of scientific articles that see it as I do.
Climate change may trigger earthquakes and volcanoes - environment - 23 September 2009 - New Scientist

Interesting article. However it is still mostly conjecture and theory - the two are yet unable to be linked. And we can't show a causal effect regarding today's earthquake. We've known for a while it was coming, again, it was just a matter of when.....

(p.s. the reason i felt so compelled to answer this is that i am an environmental biologist.

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 3:54:22 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Wow - even Art Bell and George Noory didn't make this connection!

Although since it was geological; maybe they did! Weird Object Zooming by Earth Wednesday is Likely an Asteroid

pooh pooh it all you want.
It is my opinion and many other people's opinion also.
No need to ridicule what I am saying.
The world does not turn on just what you think or believe.
IT is a possibility.

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 3:56:22 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

Like many people around the world I am watching coverage of the devasation that
just occurred in Haiti.

Haiti, the poorest country in the world, and now it has the dubious distinction
of being home of the "big one".

With all of the extreme weather we have witnessed for at least the past 8 years,
I wonder if there are STILL people that don't believe that the weather/climate is
changing drastically in a big way?

Haiti Earthquake Was the 'Big One' Says Top Seismologist - TIME

Mia, yeah, it must have caused $50 or $60 worth of damage there.
Not to worry, their voo doo gods will sort things out.
Mia, and it's a "possibility" that I'm going to hit the powerball lottery tonight too!

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 3:57:14 PM

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fuck pops, you are getting worse

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 3:57:28 PM

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Thanks for joining in Raven, I really used to NOT believe it.
But after the past 7 years, I am sorry I am starting to think a tad
differently.

I guess it will take something like half the world being destroyed for many
people to believe it.

This was the biggest earthquake in 200 years, what's next?

I am sitting back and just watching these days.

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 3:57:54 PM

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More like HAARP to kill off the useless eaters.

But hey- welcome to your New World Order- with your owners - Goldman Sachs- JPM.

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 4:00:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

fuck pops, you are getting worse

yeah- Popeye- quit inflating real estate values over there- the housing market has collapsed.

Anything over $20 would be inflated. foot stomp

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 4:03:23 PM

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Sure, it is a possibility. Global Cooling is also a possibility, as well as many other theories out there right now. What we do know is that we're seeing evidence of climate and environmental shifts. What we don't know completely is WHY.

But here's my take on all the global warming stuff - and this is under my "yoga teacher" hat, not my "biologist" hat:

We can sit around and theorize and point fingers and yell at each other and our Government to "FIX IT." We can be very, very afraid and spread that fear amongst an already skittish human herd until we're all locked in the basement with tin foil hats and shotguns, waiting for "The End."

Or we can do everything we can to be good people, to help each other, to care for our earth as best we can, to cause as little impact on the earth and others as we can, and if possible even do something for the larger global good. And spread love, and understanding, not fear. Those poor, poor people in Haiti right now need all the love and help they can get.

The fact remains that our world is ALWAYS changing. Homeostasis is a myth of modern thinking - modern comforts have led us to believe that ours is a static earth, not a LIVING one. It is alive. People die. Animals die. And one day we will all be dead - and who knows, maybe even our whole race as a whole. At times i actually find a bit of peace in that fact, actually...because all we have left, all we really CAN do, is love.

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 4:05:51 PM

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how is an atmospheric, ionospheric and magnetospheric anything to do with geological plate movement?
do you have anything to connect the two?

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 4:08:11 PM

MzMia

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ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven

Sure, it is a possibility. Global Cooling is also a possibility, as well as many other theories out there right now. What we do know is that we're seeing evidence of climate and environmental shifts. What we don't know completely is WHY.

But here's my take on all the global warming stuff - and this is under my "yoga teacher" hat, not my "biologist" hat:

We can sit around and theorize and point fingers and yell at each other and our Government to "FIX IT." We can be very, very afraid and spread that fear amongst an already skittish human herd until we're all locked in the basement with tin foil hats and shotguns, waiting for "The End."

Or we can do everything we can to be good people, to help each other, to care for our earth as best we can, to cause as little impact on the earth and others as we can, and if possible even do something for the larger global good. And spread love, and understanding, not fear. Those poor, poor people in Haiti right now need all the love and help they can get.

The fact remains that our world is ALWAYS changing. Homeostasis is a myth of modern thinking - modern comforts have led us to believe that ours is a static earth, not a LIVING one. It is alive. People die. Animals die. And one day we will all be dead - and who knows, maybe even our whole race as a whole. At times i actually find a bit of peace in that fact, actually...because all we have left, all we really CAN do, is love.

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julie

Thanks for a well thought out post from a scientific point of view.
I am not a scientist, but it would not take a rocket scientist to look
at all the devasation going on these days and say SOMETHING IS UP
with the weather.

I NEVER said it was global warming.
I am not saying it is global warming, global cooling, or beady beady bang bang.
I just know that a lot of weird shit is happening with the weather these days.
I would not pretend to know WHY, I just know it IS.

I am not one of those people that really worries about WHY all the time, I deal
with what IS.

People are free to believe in whatever they want from fairy tales to ghosts, but again
me and many other people can SEE and BELIEVE the weather has been strange and
changing drastically for at least the past 7-10 years or so.

My speculation is that of "joe average" citizen, that really doesn't know global warming from global cooling, but can see that "something ain't right, and the weather and the times are a changin".

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 4:13:23 PM

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This was the biggest earthquake in 200 years, what's next?

I am sitting back and just watching these days.

Mz Mia,

I'll give you this much; your theory, and the link, on the earthquake has the same science behind it as does global warming. Actually based upon the latest projected 20 year cooling period the correct reference, at least until summer, is 'climate change'.

The problem with the theory, or trying to apply it now to fit retroactively into the religion of global warming, is the inconvenient truth; there were many, and much more volatile earthquakes before Al Gore founded the religion. Either the climate was always changing and humanity did little, or nothing to contribute to it, or prior earthquakes were anomalies that occurred because there was no global warming. A paradox to say the least, wouldn't you say? Although a similarly fact based argument could be made that the advanced civilization of Atlantis was the cause of the last period of massive global warming and caused their destruction as documented by Plato. What do you think?

You can't help be right. When the next "big one" hits, they've been projecting one for my neck of the woods for at least 20 years, you have rights to; "I TOLD you so!" I equate it in predictive value to "I TOLD you I was sick!" written on the tombstone of a hypochondriac.

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 4:27:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

This was the biggest earthquake in 200 years, what's next?

It was the biggest in Haiti for 200 years Mia. There have been dozens of a bigger magnitude, many of these prior to any possible global warming.

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 4:29:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

This was the biggest earthquake in 200 years, what's next?

I am sitting back and just watching these days.

Mz Mia,

I'll give you this much; your theory, and the link, on the earthquake has the same science behind it as does global warming. Actually based upon the latest projected 20 year cooling period the correct reference, at least until summer, is 'climate change'.

The problem with the theory, or trying to apply it now to fit retroactively into the religion of global warming, is the inconvenient truth; there were many, and much more volatile earthquakes before Al Gore founded the religion. Either the climate was always changing and humanity did little, or nothing to contribute to it, or prior earthquakes were anomalies that occurred because there was no global warming. A paradox to say the least, wouldn't you say? Although a similarly fact based argument could be made that the advanced civilization of Atlantis was the cause of the last period of massive global warming and caused their destruction as documented by Plato. What do you think?

You can't help be right. When the next "big one" hits, they've been projecting one for my neck of the woods for at least 20 years, you have rights to; "I TOLD you so!" I equate it in predictive value to "I TOLD you I was sick!" written on the tombstone of a hypochondriac.

Great post Merc.
We have always had "disasters" I suppose.
But am I the only one that has noticed how almost everything that happens
weather wise lately almost always breaks a record?
Record breaking cold, record breaking heat, record breaking snow, record breaking hurricanes,
record breaking tsunamis, record breaking tornado's, every damn thing that happens almost always breaks a record.
Are you people asleep?

Now again, I am not a scientist {never even took Chemistry and barely passed Physics}.

But, I don't need to be a rocket scientist when almost everything from the record breaking cold weather in Florida, to Hurricane Katrina, and all the other "unusual occurrences" and now this 200 year old record breaking earthquake in Haiti.
Do you know how many 100, 200 and 300 year old records have been broken lately?
Do you know how many record breaking storms they have had in the Phillippines lately?
How many fucking records have been broken in the last 5-10 years????
I guess just many coincidences?
I am sitting back and watching all these "coincidences" and record breaking tragedies.
These things really make me go hummm, and I ain't going to believe its just normal
weather stuff going on.
I am sort of wondering when pestilence is coming.
Peace

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 4:34:16 PM

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I believe the climate is changing. I am just not sure how it relates to geology.

It was a serious repsonse....lol

Jeff

i too, am at a loss, as to how faults that are WAY way under ground, are effected by weather.

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