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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 6:46:44 PM   
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I just asked if people think or thought the "weather appears to be changing".




Glad you clarified, Mia, cuz I was thinking you'd gone off the deep end after reading the OP 

First off, this wasn't "the Big One."  There was a larger quake (7.2) just a couple weeks ago near the Solomon Islands.  We get 5-6 of these somewhere in the world annually, and typically one bigger than those.  The location, and the poverty of that location, is what make this such an awful tragedy.  I saw a picture of some of the devestation on a news feed this afternoon.  A 10-12 inch slab of concrete with a single, widely spread, layer of maybe 3/4 inch rebar...  Criminal insanity.

Does the weather appear to be changing?  I dunno.  Maybe we just have short memories.

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:13:41 PM   
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Regarding weather....
we had the first november in 162 years with no snow in toronto.
compared to the rest of the hemisphere, we have gotton off light.
Thing is that even the most carefull kept weather records only go back 200 years or so.
Record keeping was not located in every village or town. And is hardly reliable considering what we now know about weather patterns.
When you add in the internet, and instant temp reporting from around the world instantaneously...it just seems that there are such extremes.
most other findings are subjective to their locations.
Are we having a bad effect on the owrld, to be sure, is the world warming ? I dont see that there is a reliable way of telling with such a small amount of data compared to the age of the earth.


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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:18:39 PM   
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I just asked if people think or thought the "weather appears to be changing".




Glad you clarified, Mia, cuz I was thinking you'd gone off the deep end after reading the OP 

First off, this wasn't "the Big One."  There was a larger quake (7.2) just a couple weeks ago near the Solomon Islands.  We get 5-6 of these somewhere in the world annually, and typically one bigger than those.  The location, and the poverty of that location, is what make this such an awful tragedy.  I saw a picture of some of the devestation on a news feed this afternoon.  A 10-12 inch slab of concrete with a single, widely spread, layer of maybe 3/4 inch rebar...  Criminal insanity.

Does the weather appear to be changing?  I dunno.  Maybe we just have short memories.


I should have named the thread differently Rich, glad you "got it".
I meant this is the big one for Haiti!
The biggest earthquake Haiti has had in 200 years.

I did not mean the big one for the world!
I was tired and excited while posting.

 

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:22:54 PM   
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I didnt realise she was secretary of homelessness


Well gee Lucy, tell her that, she's worried about the "homeless" in Haiti now, not the homelessness in the U.S., fuck them let them freeze to death right?


Sailorman seriously?
Do you really think the United States and the rest of the world, shouldn't be helping

the victims of the earthquake in Haiti?
When we have large scale disasters in the world, at least people normally help from all
over the world. {Humanitarian aid}


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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:33:06 PM   
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Why is it that no other countries ever show up to aid us when we have a disaster ? I'm with Popeye.

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:34:32 PM   
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Why is it that no other countries ever show up to aid us when we have a disaster ? I'm with Popeye.


That's a great question.


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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:34:36 PM   
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Like many people around the world I am watching coverage of the devasation that
just occurred in Haiti.

Haiti, the poorest country in the world, and now it has the dubious distinction

of being home of the "big one".
 
With all of the extreme weather we have witnessed for at least the past 8 years,
I wonder if there are STILL people that don't believe that the weather/climate is
changing drastically in a big way?

Haiti Earthquake Was the 'Big One' Says Top Seismologist - TIME


Erm...how does plate tectonics directly affect weather pattern changes?



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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:34:49 PM   
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mm now why havent you been bitching about homeless people before now? except to make a bash against hillary?
Also why now are you worried about what Hils doing...isnt she doing as her job description describes???
She is the secretary of State concerned with Foreign affairs yes??? Haiti might only be 90 miles away, but it does class as foreign. GASP what a terrible terrible woman





Lucy, first of all Haiti is 600 some odd miles off of Florida Cuba is 90 miles off that coast.
And Hillary's job is to *represent* the U.S. to foreign countries not to run a charity for foreign countries. She works for us not Haiti or any other country.
And as for homelessness for the last 20 some years I have raised tens of thousands of dollars for homeless shelters and given tens of thousands of my own money. After Katrina I stood out in 90 degree heat for two days holding a Red Cross collection can and I was told collected more that $1,400.
Charity begins at home.
You can sleep out in the open year round in Haiti, you don't get that luxury in the Northern Hemisphere and a few people freezing to death in Boston doesn't get any Press in Washington.

P.S. it'll be comical to see the "hired help" in Washington tripping over themselves for the next week or so trying to "out-Haiti" each other.
It's real easy to be "charitable" when you're using someone else's money.

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:36:07 PM   
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Rhodes, go back to my topic line- I said the weather is changing.
 
This is not really a thread on WHY.

I will state this again, sigh--I don't know if it IS global warming, global cooling, a
combination of the 2 together, or some other "thing" people don't talk about.
My point is, the weather is changing rapidly period.
If you don't believe the weather is changing, you have every right to believe that!
 
It is enough for me to believe and see that it is.
Sorry, I won't take you or anyone elses ideas or opinions over what I can clearly SEE.
 


Well, as someone who is living in a state that used to be a glacier field, I have to say I am glad it changes. And the lakes it left behind are so pretty.


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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:39:44 PM   
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Why is it that no other countries ever show up to aid us when we have a disaster ? I'm with Popeye.



Overseas Katrina aid rejected by America



On a September 1, 2005 broadcast of “Good Morning America,” President George W. Bush said that the country was prepared to handle all Hurricane Katrina aid internally. “I do expect a lot of sympathy and perhaps some will send cash dollars,” the President said of foreign governments, “But this country’s going to rise up and take care of it.”

Over 20 months later, more reports are coming forth that the United States government officials were turning down numerous offers of aid from foreign allies, while images of death, suffering and destruction went throughout the world..

According to news reports, allies offered $854 million in cash, and in oil that was to be sold for cash, but only $40 million has been used.

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:44:48 PM   
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With all due respect...there is no dramatic climate change going on...it's politically-motivated junk science. I'm not shooting you down....I'm offering an alternate view. When they falsify the data to make the result come out the way they want it to...the only name for it is junk science.

...and yes....I'm Registered Professional Engineer......

As for Haiti, a dear friend has strong ties to Haiti...and she says that the Mission House they ran there has collapsed, killing many staffers.....this is an awful tradjedy to befall a people already dealing with all manner of problems. My heart goes out to them.....

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

Like many people around the world I am watching coverage of the devasation that
just occurred in Haiti.

Haiti, the poorest country in the world, and now it has the dubious distinction

of being home of the "big one".
 
With all of the extreme weather we have witnessed for at least the past 8 years,
I wonder if there are STILL people that don't believe that the weather/climate is
changing drastically in a big way?

Haiti Earthquake Was the 'Big One' Says Top Seismologist - TIME

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:47:34 PM   
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I just asked if people think or thought the "weather appears to be changing".
Some do, some don't, great chat.


No, you didn't ask if people thought the weather appears to be changing. You challenged those who still don't think that it is changing.




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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:50:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

Like many people around the world I am watching coverage of the devasation that
just occurred in Haiti.

Haiti, the poorest country in the world, and now it has the dubious distinction

of being home of the "big one".
 
With all of the extreme weather we have witnessed for at least the past 8 years,
I wonder if there are STILL people that don't believe that the weather/climate is
changing drastically in a big way?

Haiti Earthquake Was the 'Big One' Says Top Seismologist - TIME


Erm...how does plate tectonics directly affect weather pattern changes?




That article is about how this is the "big one" for Haiti.
I never said or would even think that plate tectonics is behind all the weather and
natural disasters.
I would assume that there are variety of factors behind the weather pattern changes/increases in natural disasters, if I knew what was causing it you would see me on t.v. and touring the world.
My point is-----the weather seems to be more extreme these days and natural disasters
seem to be happening frequently.

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:50:43 PM   
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Actually, a connection between climate and vulcanism/tectonic activity has been credibly discussed for many years. I recall reading about it as far back as the mid-80s, and there was some pretty good data backing it up. The idea was that the weight of ice packs and snow cover on continental plates exerts pressure on magma pockets below the crust, causing a slight but measurable increase in eruptive activity during winter months in the northern hemisphere, and especially during ice ages. Or increased sea levels might exert greater pressure on tectonic plates beneath the oceans, causing them to shift and deform.

The research I read only referred tangentially to fault displacement, dealing primarily with the relationship between snow and ice and vulcanism. The point of the research was to determine the possibility of a negative feedback loop, in which increased snowfall would lead to increased particulates in the atmosphere from increased vulcanism, leading in turn to cooler temperatures, leading in turn to increased snowfall, etc. But I have no problem at all believing that there is a correlation to earthquake activity; in fact, I'd be very surprised if it there weren't. The last glacier here in Minnesota melted over 10,000 years ago, but the land in Northern Minnesota is still rebounding at the rate of almost a half inch per year from the weight of that ice mass. (That's probably why Ron seems so dizzy sometimes; people who live up there must feel like they're on a roller coaster.) Anyway, if memory serves, the Lake Superior region has rebounded a couple of hundred meters since the retreat of the glacier, and is expected to rise at least another 150 over the next several thousand years. Unless it snows again, of course. But the point is, if you have that much continental mass shifting that much over a few thousand years in an area that's tectonically active to begin with, it's going to trigger earthquakes as faults shift in relation to one another. It's inevitable.

And I believe a relationship has also been suggested between rainfall and earthquake activity. This I don't know much about, because i didn't actually read any of the work. I just saw it referenced in a couple of other articles. The theory (as near as i can recall) is that prolonged heavy rainfall in certain areas can trigger earthquakes because increased groundwater acts as a lubricant between tectonic plates. I want to make clear that  I'm not defending that particular theory, because I haven't read the work. I'm just saying it's gotten some serious study over the last several years, so there may be something there.

The problem, though, is that while such events might very well be responsible for triggering earthquakes or volcanic eruptions, that's not the same as saying they actually caused them. That's an important distinction. What's more likely is that they just act as a catalyst for a geologic event that would have  occurred anyway; just (perhaps) not quite so soon. In other words, the quake in Haiti (if it were triggered by, say, rising sea levels), would have happened next year instead of this year. But it would have happened regardless, because the geologic forces that cause plates to shift (while they may be influenced by the weight of ice packs or seawater) are ultimately caused by factors that are completely independent of anything relating to climate.






These theories seem at face value to make sense,and I suspect they are at least one of the factors.

But it should be noted, that they are causing the events to happen sooner, which means with less severity.

Meaning, Haiti just got spared from a 7.4 in 50 years or so, by getting a 7.2 now.

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:51:02 PM   
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Ahhh when you have actual data to support your claim, I mean other than hearsay, I may be interested.  But every science body on EARTH differs with you and the opinions of the news bought and owned by oil is nothing more than the same BS as WMD we bought before, so this time proof seems a reasonable request.

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:53:41 PM   
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I just asked if people think or thought the "weather appears to be changing".
Some do, some don't, great chat.


No, you didn't ask if people thought the weather appears to be changing. You challenged those who still don't think that it is changing.

Now, now I did not challenge "those" people that feel it is not changing.
It's nice to listen to both sides of things, right?
I wanted to hear from people who do feel it is changing and why,
and those that think things are perfectly "normal" and why.


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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:54:08 PM   
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That plate techtonics affects the weather and Climate is pretty much absolutely proven.

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:54:26 PM   
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the biggest earthquake ever recorded, which occurred near Santiago, Chile, in 1960. Known as the Great Chilean Earthquake, the quake measured an impressive 9.5

It is highly probable that some ancient earthquakes were of a higher magnitude, but because the Richter scale was not developed until the 1930s, it is difficult to quantitatively compare them. For example, the Lisbon Earthquake of 1755 was by all accounts quite severe, and it generated a massive tsunami which only magnified the death toll, and the Shaanxi Earthquake which occurred in China in the 1500s was the deadliest known to history, killing almost one million people. The Shaanxi Earthquake may also have been the biggest earthquake known to man, but there is simply no way to tell.

In terms of earthquakes which were studied, measured, and recorded on the Richter Scale, however, the Great Chilean Earthquake was far and away the biggest earthquake ever. Keeping in mind that the Richter Scale runs along an exponential progression, the next largest earthquake was a 1964 tremblor in Prince William Sound, Alaska, which measured 9.2. The 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake is the next biggest earthquake ever recorded, clocking in at 9.1 on the Richter Scale and generating a formidable tsunami which damaged much of the coastline of Southeast Asia.

The risk of large earthquakes has become greatly increased since the Great Chilean Earthquake, thanks to increasing human population and the growth of megacities, and it wouldn't take the biggest earthquake ever recorded to create the most lethal earthquake ever recorded. Many huge cities happen to be located in seismically active areas, and an earthquake of major size in any of these regions could be devastating. Because earthquakes cannot be predicted or controlled, seismologists have warned communities, suggesting that they need to develop clear action plans for major quakes, as much of the damage and loss of life associated with earthquakes is caused by poor infrastructure.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-biggest-earthquake-ever-recorded.htm

Now, since the scale to measure the strength of an earthquake didnt get invented until the 1930's, its all hype that this is the biggest in that region. No one knows that for a certainty. What is known is that the buildings there... 60+% ... were in no condition to survive a minor quake, let along this one. The hospital didnt surevive it, the prison collapsed, schools are gone, even the Presidential Palace collapsed.

A country where 75% of the population makes due on 2 dollars a day or less. And some quibble over lending these people aid.

to those few.... i didnt think you could fall any lower... sadly i was wrong.

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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:56:20 PM   
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My point is-----the weather seems to be more extreme these days and natural disasters
seem to be happening frequently.


This has been caused by the reduction in the number of pirates in the world. 



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RE: Now Haiti!! The Big One/ Still don't believe the we... - 1/13/2010 7:57:57 PM   
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tazzy, my thread is NOT just about earthquakes.
What about all the other weird and strange weather changes
and all the other "natural disasters" that have been occuring
the last 5-10 years?

Is this the new normal?


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