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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/17/2010 10:35:25 PM

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Yeah, I concur with LadyPact. I'm not submissive but I respect the fellas that decide they are. If it's what you want then rock on with your bad selves.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/17/2010 11:13:02 PM

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/18/2010 3:18:11 AM

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Personally, I do not argue the point of am I masculine; neither do I attempt to justify submission. Nor do I allow others to impose their thinking or in any way question the content of my character or the honor codes guiding me. In fact, I really like and respect the man of me both as a submissive and as a man.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/18/2010 3:35:21 AM

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Now, that was nicely put.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/18/2010 4:49:39 AM

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Personally, I do not argue the point of am I masculine; neither do I attempt to justify submission. Nor do I allow others to impose their thinking or in any way question the content of my character or the honor codes guiding me. In fact, I really like and respect the man of me both as a submissive and as a man.

We need more men who think like you Santoro :-)

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/18/2010 5:31:38 AM

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I really like and respect the man of me both as a submissive and as a man.

Hearing that makes me happy.
I suspect this is the part Psychonaut doesn't quite have down, yet.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/18/2010 7:51:42 AM

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My last post was directed, mostly, to people like Psychonaut23. One thing I have noticed with some dominant males is that they do look down on submissive males. Some of them, Psychonaut is a good example of this, are so narrow minded and mentally helpless that I felt being concise and extremely serious would be the only way to help him understand my mentality and the mentality of other submissives (both female and male).

Pychonaut is not a dominant male, not by my standards. A strong dominant man would never behave in such a fashion. He would show more self-control, respect and concern for others.

He is simply an angry young man who likes to boss people around because it makes him feel better. He confuses abuse with dominance.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/18/2010 8:00:06 AM

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Well would ya look at that. Apparently there ARE limits....:)

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/18/2010 8:07:55 AM

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In My experience, the majority of Dominant males do not feel the same way. The reason for this is quite simple. They are involved with submissive females in the real world and know what strength it takes to submit. Some of them have even taken the submissive role themselves prior to being a Dominant, so they have first hand knowledge of being in that position. Gender doesn't have a thing to do with it if you look at what the role entails.

Don't judge Dominant males solely on the ignorance of some fool who isn't even properly educated on the subject.

I have to agree with this statement completely. As a submissive male, AND also being a girlie boy, I felt I had a second even great hurdle in addition to being submissive for dominant males to get around. When my Lady and I first started socializing, I was admittedly pretty worried about encounters with dominant males. My fears to date have been completely unfounded. To a Man, they have all been courteous, kind, generous, and pretty much totally without any perceivable bias towards me - we have several great friends who are in M/f relationships who we socialize with on a regular basis.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/18/2010 8:38:25 AM

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Seconded. The Doms I've spoken to at CM, privately as well as on the forums, have been uniformly polite. I can't remember having had even a hint of bias or condescension from any of them for my sub status.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/18/2010 8:40:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: WantingToServe11

My last post was directed, mostly, to people like Psychonaut23. One thing I have noticed with some dominant males is that they do look down on submissive males. Some of them, Psychonaut is a good example of this, are so narrow minded and mentally helpless that I felt being concise and extremely serious would be the only way to help him understand my mentality and the mentality of other submissives (both female and male).

Men like the above don't look down on just submissive men, they look down on pretty much everyone. They suffer from low-self esteem and need to find something wrong with other people so they can see themselves as better.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/18/2010 8:42:04 AM

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Yeah, I concur with LadyPact. I'm not submissive but I respect the fellas that decide they are. If it's what you want then rock on with your bad selves.

Great attitude!

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/18/2010 1:15:46 PM

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Hey Psychonaut,
i'm not sure if you realize it, but i think the mods have put you in "time out" or something. All of your messages simply say "awaiting approval". So you may as well stop posting responses that none of us can read until they grant you your freedom.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/18/2010 2:30:54 PM

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Hey Psychonaut,
i'm not sure if you realize it, but i think the mods have put you in "time out" or something. All of your messages simply say "awaiting approval". So you may as well stop posting responses that none of us can read until they grant you your freedom.

Or... you could CM your responses to me. Because I'd love to read them.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/18/2010 3:14:02 PM

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Oh! I thought that everything was pretty much the same in Canada as it is in the US, except that...banjo-playing isn't a compulsory subject in schools.

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*A-hem!* I take exception to that. It's compulsory moonshine jug blowing. The banjo is merely an elective. I never got past the "emptying the moonshine jug" section of that particular course. Very rigorous.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/18/2010 3:20:48 PM

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Again, another successful thread. Great OP - many interesting responses. Thanks to all but one of you. (You all know who I'm excluding, yes?)

QR

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/18/2010 3:27:16 PM

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Again, another successful thread. Great OP - many interesting responses. Thanks to all but one of you. (You all know whom I'm excluding, yes?)

QR

Would you call it successful? I feel like we got away from the (very interesting) original topic, and onto another (also interesting) discussion about whether submissive males are still masculine.

Other than a reference Lady Angelika gave to taking subs out to buy proper suits, there wasn't much discussion of how you would actually go about 'forced gentlemanization' (which is what this idea has now become called in my head, seeing as the word 'masculine' seemed to confuse a few people).

Now that psychonaut has been gagged, please could we actually talk about it, Lady Angelika? It's not quite my cup of tea, being mostly into women, but it sounds fascinating!

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/18/2010 4:13:10 PM

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Again, another successful thread. Great OP - many interesting responses. Thanks to all but one of you. (You all know whom I'm excluding, yes?)

QR

Would you call it successful? I feel like we got away from the (very interesting) original topic, and onto another (also interesting) discussion about whether submissive males are still masculine.

Other than a reference Lady Angelika gave to taking subs out to buy proper suits, there wasn't much discussion of how you would actually go about 'forced gentlemanization' (which is what this idea has now become called in my head, seeing as the word 'masculine' seemed to confuse a few people).

Now that psychonaut has been gagged, please could we actually talk about it, Lady Angelika? It's not quite my cup of tea, being mostly into women, but it sounds fascinating!

Well the conversation was interesting, regardless of whether it was the intended OP or not.

Maybe I need to start a thread entitled Gentlemen Prefer Dommes. ;-)

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/18/2010 4:21:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

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ORIGINAL: QueenRah

Again, another successful thread. Great OP - many interesting responses. Thanks to all but one of you. (You all know whom I'm excluding, yes?)

QR

Would you call it successful? I feel like we got away from the (very interesting) original topic, and onto another (also interesting) discussion about whether submissive males are still masculine.

Other than a reference Lady Angelika gave to taking subs out to buy proper suits, there wasn't much discussion of how you would actually go about 'forced gentlemanization' (which is what this idea has now become called in my head, seeing as the word 'masculine' seemed to confuse a few people).

Now that psychonaut has been gagged, please could we actually talk about it, Lady Angelika? It's not quite my cup of tea, being mostly into women, but it sounds fascinating!

Well the conversation was interesting, regardless of whether it was the intended OP or not.

Maybe I need to start a thread entitled Gentlemen Prefer Dommes. ;-)

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Haha! Gotta love that Ms Monroe...

But seriously, I'm interested. I think what is attracting me is the difference from other protocol-type training; as far as I can tell, most protocol-y stuff you could train a sub to do is applicable mainly in a D/s setting-training someone to keep their eyes down and their posture straight is all well and good when they are on your bedroom floor, but not massively helpful in other contexts.

Teaching someone how to be a gentleman, on the other hand, is going to help everywhere, right? It's going to affect how people treat the sub in the wider world, in a positive way. Which is pretty wicked :-)

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/18/2010 4:34:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: QueenRah

Again, another successful thread. Great OP - many interesting responses. Thanks to all but one of you. (You all know whom I'm excluding, yes?)

QR

Would you call it successful? I feel like we got away from the (very interesting) original topic, and onto another (also interesting) discussion about whether submissive males are still masculine.

Other than a reference Lady Angelika gave to taking subs out to buy proper suits, there wasn't much discussion of how you would actually go about 'forced gentlemanization' (which is what this idea has now become called in my head, seeing as the word 'masculine' seemed to confuse a few people).

Now that psychonaut has been gagged, please could we actually talk about it, Lady Angelika? It's not quite my cup of tea, being mostly into women, but it sounds fascinating!

Ah - well, I think there could be a lot of scope for 'forced gentlemanization' in a D/s relationship. For starters, I think there's a lot more agreement about what constitutes a 'gentleman' than what constitutes 'being masculine'. Secondly, I think such gentlemanization happens anyway, amongst vanillas, a lot of the time. ('Stop belching, darling' - yep, we've all heard it or said it.)

Hmm. Enforced attendance at a kind of finishing school for men? Trouble is, I've never heard of such a school - not here in the UK, anyway.

My mother had a great little trick when I was a boy. She inserted two books on manners and etiquette between the dictionaries and encyclopaedias in the bookcase. She never even mentioned that they were there - she knew that myself and my three brothers could never be forced to read them. But we all did, eventually - out of fascination.

Anyhow, that's how I ended up with silky-smooth elegance, perfect poise and immaculate manners. For subs who are still louts and ruffians, I'd recommend enforced reading of such books on manners and etiquette. Then a written examination. And a stiff practical one: say, one that earns the highest marks for assiduous maintenance of perfect conduct with the rudest, most unpleasant woman the Domme in question can find. Heh. I should be a Domme.

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