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rulemylife -> Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 8:26:12 PM)

Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths


WASHINGTON – Three Guantanamo Bay detainees whose deaths were ruled a suicide in 2006 apparently had been transported from their cells hours before their deaths to a secret site on the island, an article in Harper's magazine asserts.

The account released Monday raises serious questions about whether the three detainees actually died by hanging themselves in their cells and suggests the U.S. government is covering up details of what precisely happened in the hours before the deaths on the night of June 9, 2006.

In response to the magazine article, the Justice Department said Monday that it had thoroughly reviewed the allegations and found no evidence of wrongdoing.

Harper's reported that the deaths of the three detainees, or the events that led directly to their deaths, most likely occurred at a previously undisclosed facility a mile or so from the main Guantanamo Bay prison complex.

Harper's based much of its account on interviews with several prison guards who said they knew of the existence of the "black" site and that they saw three detainees removed from Camp Delta several hours before the deaths were reported and said the prisoners were transported in a white van toward the secret site.

Those who knew of the black facility referred to it as "Camp No," reported the magazine, quoting Army Sgt. Joe Hickman, one of the guards. Anyone who asked if the black site existed would be told, "No, it doesn't," the magazine reported, quoting Hickman......

.....The article says that at a 7 a.m. meeting on June 10, 2006 with 50 or so soldiers and sailors, Army Col. Michael Bumgarner said that the three men had died by swallowing rags, causing them to choke to death. Bumgarner was a commander at Guantanamo Bay.

According to the magazine, Bumgarner went on to say that the news media would be guided to report something different — that the three prisoners had committed suicide by hanging themselves in their cells.....

.................1,700 pages of government-released documents fail to explain how three bodies could have hung in cells for at least two hours while the cells were under constant supervision, both by video camera and by guards continually walking the corridors.




Musicmystery -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 8:28:50 PM)

So....this is an article about an article?

Journalism is so dead.




MzMia -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 8:29:56 PM)

rule? No topic sentence, just a copy and paste for the thread?
We don't even get an introduction?
You are guilty of being a lazy posting forum fucker.




TheHeretic -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 8:30:47 PM)

Sorta sounds like that Nicholson/Cruise movie.  This might be something where we can't handle the truth...  [;)]




rulemylife -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 8:36:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

rule? No topic sentence, just a copy and paste for the thread?
We don't even get an introduction?
You are guilty of being a lazy posting forum fucker.



Yes, and I've explained that to you already on your thread whining about just that.

I do it purposely to not prejudice anyone's opinions on the topic.  I want to hear others opinions uninfluenced by mine.

Which, as I said before, is why I generally don't post on my own threads until they have taken their own direction.




MzMia -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 8:39:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

rule? No topic sentence, just a copy and paste for the thread?
We don't even get an introduction?
You are guilty of being a lazy posting forum fucker.



Yes, and I've explained that to you already on your thread whining about just that.

I do it purposely to not prejudice anyone's opinions on the topic.  I want to hear others opinions uninfluenced by mine.

Which, as I said before, is why I generally don't post on my own threads until they have taken their own direction.



whining?? I am not a whinner.
Kiss my ass.




thornhappy -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 8:41:36 PM)

Damn, things have gotten sporty since they put away the mod sticks.  Really now.  Calling someone a lazy forum fucker on a Monday night.




MzMia -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 8:44:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Damn, things have gotten sporty since they put away the mod sticks.  Really now.  Calling someone a lazy forum fucker on a Monday night.


lol, thorn I had a thread on that.
What is a good night to call someone that? Thursday night?
I didn't want to pull it up.
We had a rash/actually an epidemic!  People just posting links, and cut and pastes from articles, without commenting.
Read this, look at this, go here, watch this, etc.
Too lazy to write a topic sentence or even a paragraph, just starting threads with only a link.




rulemylife -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 8:46:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

So....this is an article about an article?

Journalism is so dead.


The Harper's piece is not scheduled until March.

So, I guess you could call this a preview of the article.




rulemylife -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 8:48:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

rule? No topic sentence, just a copy and paste for the thread?
We don't even get an introduction?
You are guilty of being a lazy posting forum fucker.



Yes, and I've explained that to you already on your thread whining about just that.

I do it purposely to not prejudice anyone's opinions on the topic.  I want to hear others opinions uninfluenced by mine.

Which, as I said before, is why I generally don't post on my own threads until they have taken their own direction.



whining?? I am not a whinner.
Kiss my ass.


I'm a lazy fucker but you're not a whiner, ok.

But how does your ass look?  I might take you up on that.




kdsub -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 8:48:53 PM)

"Harper's reported that the deaths of the three detainees, or the events that led directly to their deaths, most likely occurred at a previously undisclosed facility a mile or so from the main Guantánamo Harper's based much of its account on interviews with several prison guards who said they knew of the existence of the "black" site and that they saw three detainees removed from Camp Delta several hours before the deaths were reported and said the prisoners were transported in a white van toward the secret site."

And how does the above paragraph prove a damn thing worth reporting?..I thought real competent reporters were supposed to have at least three dependable sources before they make such outrageous accusations.

Butch




MzMia -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 8:50:49 PM)

lol, I figured you might be interested.
I will give you a pass, you are NOT a lazy, fucking forum poster.
[;)]




Musicmystery -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 8:52:03 PM)

Don't college freshmen write about articles they've read in Comp 101?

The new face of "journalism."




rulemylife -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 8:59:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

"Harper's reported that the deaths of the three detainees, or the events that led directly to their deaths, most likely occurred at a previously undisclosed facility a mile or so from the main Guantánamo Harper's based much of its account on interviews with several prison guards who said they knew of the existence of the "black" site and that they saw three detainees removed from Camp Delta several hours before the deaths were reported and said the prisoners were transported in a white van toward the secret site."

And how does the above paragraph prove a damn thing worth reporting?..I thought real competent reporters were supposed to have at least three dependable sources before they make such outrageous accusations.

Butch



Several prison guards.  I believe the article stated four.  Which is one more than your requirement.




rulemylife -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 9:07:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Don't college freshmen write about articles they've read in Comp 101?

The new face of "journalism."


Excuse me, but does anyone here actually want to talk about the subject of the article?

It's not some obscure blog piece, it has been on every major wire and news service.




Musicmystery -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 9:19:11 PM)

Oh.

News about the article about the article that hasn't come out yet.

Got it.





Musicmystery -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 9:27:57 PM)

Here's the actual Harper's article:

The Guantánamo “Suicides”: A Camp Delta sergeant blows the whistle
By Scott Horton




kdsub -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 9:29:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife


Several prison guards.  I believe the article stated four.  Which is one more than your requirement.



How did what the guards saw... the several in the paragraph above... prove that going to this site they know nothing of, or what goes on there, directly lead to their deaths like the paragraph says. That is no proof of anything but poor outlandish sensationalistic political motivated reporting...Of no worth.

And remember I am against that prison too...but this article is bullshit plain and simple.

Butch




Musicmystery -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 9:36:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Excuse me, but does anyone here actually want to talk about the subject of the article?

It's not some obscure blog piece, it has been on every major wire and news service.


I'll be more interested in what people think of the actual Harper's article than the article about the article.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Here's the actual Harper's article:

The Guantánamo “Suicides”: A Camp Delta sergeant blows the whistle
By Scott Horton




Kirata -> RE: Magazine raises questions over 3 detainee deaths (1/18/2010 9:52:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

I do it purposely to not prejudice anyone's opinions on the topic. I want to hear others opinions uninfluenced by mine.

Sit down. Ready?

I agree with you. Don't see any problem with that at all. My idea of a forum fucking thread starter would be a headline grabber who just wants to rant -- and when you read the linked story it's a hit piece -- about a story, which, if you actually chase it down, doesn't support the shit being slung by either of them.

edited to add:
I haven't read the actual Harper's story yet. Heh.

K.




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