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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 12:29:24 PM   
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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 12:30:06 PM   
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Just like it's perfectly understandable to murder the guy who rapes your daughter.

Doesn't make it legal though.

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 12:34:44 PM   
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If the NAACP hire just enough white folks to avoid being prosecuted, they are  within the law.

Just like Augusta National.

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 12:36:26 PM   
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People get disproportionately emotionally invested in certain hot-topics. 


Now who's being condescending?  Certainly not me. I do find some humour in the people that are jumping on the bandwagon of this thread to support the KKK, but that's between them and their conscience, I suppose.

Aquatic, the difference between gender discrimination and colour discrimination in sport should be more than obvious to you - I'm surprised you're not seeing it. Sports events and sports competitions discriminate on the basis of gender because of performance ability. Perhaps this will change when men and women achieve the same results on a regular basis.

Race discrimination in sport, on the other hand... well, what could possibly be the reason behind it  ?


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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 12:39:59 PM   
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If I had been allowed to play tackle football with girls in gym class, I would've enjoyed it a whole lot more.

It also would have made "skins versus shirts" teams more interesting - if the guys were the shirts.

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 12:43:48 PM   
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Probably about as many blacks working at Augusta National.
One would represent one more than the number of woman members. Although their membership list is confidential; since 1990 Augusta National does have black members.

Don't like it as a 'rule' for a private club? The simple solution is don't go - don't watch - don't support any of the sponsors, and point out the bigotry and prejudice at every opportunity, keeping it public. The situation may change; however, in this specific case - I doubt it. Better to hope that someday all those bigots and misogynist males will die off like the dinosaurs before them.

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Tell me you aren't surprised when an historically oppressed people do a little oppressing of their own when they get a chance?Jeff
No - if there were any "surprise" its seeing people rationalizing and accepting oppression from any group; and, in the face of their represented position of 'equality for all', hypocritically supporting any groups exclusionary or 'more equal' status.

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 12:46:02 PM   
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People get disproportionately emotionally invested in certain hot-topics. 


Now who's being condescending?  Certainly not me. I do find some humour in the people that are jumping on the bandwagon of this thread to support the KKK, but that's between them and their conscience, I suppose.

I'm the one who said that. Not him. Just for the record.

No one is supporting the KKK. People are questioning if it's actually illegal. There is a huge difference there.
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Aquatic, the difference between gender discrimination and colour discrimination in sport should be more than obvious to you - I'm surprised you're not seeing it. Sports events and sports competitions discriminate on the basis of gender because of performance ability. Perhaps this will change when men and women achieve the same results on a regular basis.

Race discrimination in sport, on the other hand... well, what could possibly be the reason behind it  ?


Personally, I don't support having two different teams, though I can't say I care enough to get up in arms about it. I played on women's only teams but I always despised the modified rules and standards. As a female sportswoman, I always felt we should have one team with one set of standards and whoever makes it, makes it. I feel the same way in regards to the military and police force.

However there are tons of private teams and leagues. I'm sure you wouldn't be offended by a team that was only taking African-Americans or Mexicans or homosexual kids or whatnot to help teach them teamwork.

Discrimination is discrimination. If it's a group that only takes African-American players, contestents, whatevers than they are being discriminating. While the intent is almost certainly different between a Chinese team and a white team, the laws and legality of it is the same.

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 12:54:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Alright alright. You think that a white american only basketball league is a perfectly acceptable business endeavour because the Olympics discriminate on gender. It won't be the first time we radically disagree. Whether it's legal or not (something tells me it isn't) is a question I asked because where I come from, it wouldn't be. With the race relations history in this country such as it is, this project strikes me as particularly tasteless - serves as a useful reminder that we're never very far from the next fascist.

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 12:58:17 PM   
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Alright alright. You think that a white american only basketball league is a perfectly acceptable business endeavour because the Olympics discriminate on gender.

Putting words in my mouth. I never said the Olympics. I was actually thinking more of high school sports and WNBA.

Nor did I say it is a "perfectly acceptable business endeavour".

I said I don't think it's illegal.
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It won't be the first time we radically disagree. Whether it's legal or not (something tells me it isn't) is a question I asked because where I come from, it wouldn't be. 

And that is the question I answered - Not "Do you support this morally?".

Which I don't. But you don't seem to see the difference.
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With the race relations history in this country such as it is, this project strikes me as particularly tasteless - serves as a useful reminder that we're never very far from the next fascist.

Quite frankly, these groups have the right to exist because all black groups exist. It's unfair to allow one and not the other. Equal rights means equal for everyone - even if you think they are a disgusting racist pig. They have the right to be. My acknowledging that doesn't mean I support them. It just means I'm not willing to give up my rights to deny them theirs.

When we stop allowing people to form groups based on race, they will go away.

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 1:04:06 PM   
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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 1:07:23 PM   
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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 1:12:18 PM   
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Now who's being condescending?  Certainly not me. I do find some humour in the people that are jumping on the bandwagon of this thread to support the KKK, but that's between them and their conscience, I suppose.

Because paralleling the audacity to call out the hypocrisy of some sorts of reactions to a silly skin-color based wannabe basketball league that won't harm anyone to historical racism that physically harmed and killed countless is so intellectually honest, yes?

The fact that you resort to such ridiculous strawmen is proof my point is made out of accuracy, not condescension.

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 1:21:32 PM   
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I do find some humour in the people that are jumping on the bandwagon of this thread to support the KKK, but that's between them and their conscience, I suppose.

Alright alright. You think that a white american only basketball league is a perfectly acceptable business endeavour because the Olympics discriminate on gender. It won't be the first time we radically disagree. Whether it's legal or not (something tells me it isn't) is a question I asked because where I come from, it wouldn't be. With the race relations history in this country such as it is, this project strikes me as particularly tasteless - serves as a useful reminder that we're never very far from the next fascist.




How cute it that!

Had to read all the replies just to be sure, but not one contributor called the proposed 'white only' basketball league a "perfectly acceptable business endeavor". Do you interpret supporting anyone's ability to start a business endeavor as supporting that business endeavor? That's a stretch to say the least. Ironic that you bring up "fascists" and Fascism; desiring government intervention to regiment and provide permission to start and maintain any business and/or industry defines Fascism. It seems that a position you support.

On the other hand, many said the league, and any sponsors, should be ignored and NOT supported. Nor did anyone reply by "jumping on the bandwagon of this thread to support the KKK". Many did make fun of the KKK, along with the people who would support this league.

I did see the leagues backers called "idiots". There were a few references to them playing in white robes. The expected audience's ability to keep rhythm was questioned. I for one, joked about potential sponsors. There were a few 'white man can't jump' references, small hands, 'cracker'; but nothing supporting any form of prejudicial racist behavior.

Nice try - but not distracting from the hypocrisy of supporting one groups bias while on the other hand starting a thread and condemning the exact same behavior from another group. But that's between you and your conscience.

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 1:25:35 PM   
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Damnit Ron!

I was going to make the Cracker joke!



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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 1:27:31 PM   
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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 1:30:36 PM   
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Because paralleling the audacity to call out the hypocrisy of some sorts of reactions to a silly skin-color based wannabe basketball league that won't harm anyone to historical racism that physically harmed and killed countless is so intellectually honest, yes?

The fact that you resort to such ridiculous strawmen is proof my point is made out of accuracy, not condescension.

I'd suggest that when you apply to a group, perhaps not knowing the ins and outs of it, and are turned away based on something beyond your control then that hurts some people.


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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 1:34:31 PM   
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You can't jump, can you?


Just curious.... Do you really expect that comment to lend your point of view strength?

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 1:38:17 PM   
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Because paralleling the audacity to call out the hypocrisy of some sorts of reactions to a silly skin-color based wannabe basketball league that won't harm anyone to historical racism that physically harmed and killed countless is so intellectually honest, yes?

The fact that you resort to such ridiculous strawmen is proof my point is made out of accuracy, not condescension.

I'd suggest that when you apply to a group, perhaps not knowing the ins and outs of it, and are turned away based on something beyond your control then that hurts some people.



Sure it hurts.

It hurt me that I was stuck playing softball when I wanted to play baseball.

It hurt me that I got less scholarships cause I happened to be born a particular color when I didn't do anything to anyone.

Life isn't fair though. And those scholarships should be in place. Sucks to be me that I don't qualify for them. Oh well. Life goes on. However, this isn't a national team that is turning people away. It's not a public high school refusing to allow minorities on the team.

As long as it's a private group, they have the right to be hurtful, hateful, spitiful jackasses. You have the right to boycott them and encourage your friends to do the same so that (hopefully!) they lose a lot money on this and they don't try it again. I'd like to see that. That still doesn't change the fact that people have the right to form private groups based on whatever the hell the want.

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 1:41:58 PM   
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You can't jump, can you?


Just curious.... Do you really expect that comment to lend your point of view strength?


No, but it made me smile  .

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/20/2010 1:44:12 PM   
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