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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/21/2010 10:02:45 AM   
EbonyFtshGoddess


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lol this is funny.

honestly, i'm not offended. if whites want to have an all-white basketball league then i don't really care much. it doesn't impact my daily life in the absolute least.

blacks have organizations that are black only.... i don't really see any difference other than the fact that whites are doing it.

i can see how some people would be offended, but there are many black only organizations and a lot of sports teams are predominantly black anyway (truthfully speaking)..

with that being said, i don't follow sports much ( i do like soccer) but this doesn't really strike me one way or the other.

i was waiting for some sort of visceral reaction.. yet it never came.




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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/21/2010 10:04:27 AM   
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JeffweyX,

This is where it came up.  I am not in
the contest, I am just offering the reference.

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You might be right but trying to squash a group and shut them up won't make them go away. It turns them into the persecuted. And grows their cause. Look at what liberals did to Sarah Palin. They are the reason she is as popular as she is. Americans tend to root for underdogs. I say let them see what their league is made of. I suspect it will die off soon enough. But it needs to be a natural death not premature. No martyrdom for them.


That's a really good point and one that hadn't occured to me yet. Trying to shut down the league will just get them attention and sympthy. Like when the KKK wanted to do a march through a Jewish neighborhood - they were expecting to be shut down so that they could make a stink about it. Instead they were allowed to do it and they ended up calling off the march. Can't find an article on it but it was brought up in a class when we were discussing if the law should always be morally right or should be fair to all, even those whose motives aren't innocent.







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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/21/2010 7:18:29 PM   
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Is this the famous incident you two cannot remember?

Skokie Illinois

They actually made a movie about it.
Which is why I suspect it is the "famous"
incident you are referring to.


Edit for spelling and clarification.



That migh be the one she was talking about. I was talking about this one.
http://thevirtuousrepublic.com/C20070403224522/E20070415190714/index.html

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/21/2010 9:13:26 PM   
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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/21/2010 10:44:48 PM   
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I'm still wondering whether the venture's legal.


Quite simply, because the endeavor is to start a PROFESSIONAL league, playing basketball would be the players JOB....no it is not legal. Kind of surprised that there was any question regarding the legality of discrimination in the workplace. But there IS discrimination in the workplace. Has anyone ever met a Hooters MAN? How many restaurants or bars will only hire one sex or the other? How often in a Chinese restaurant do you see front of the house employees that are not Asian? Obviously there are ways to hire only particular employees that fit a certain "qualification."

As Merc mentioned, we have Miss Black America. At one time blacks weren't permitted to compete, but they are now, so Miss Black America is now discriminatory.

What's really interesting is that there are groups and organizations that allow only certain groups of people. How many people get upset over an all gay group, an all women's group, all men's groups, Native American groups, groups for only Jewish or Catholic people, Hispanic Organizations or all the groups where only blacks or other minorities are allowed to be a part of? Not many. But the second that something is going to be "all white" it is instantly associated with the KKK or racism. And yet so many don't see that as being racist in itself.

Why the belief that only whites engage in racism? Any time any group only permits people who fit a particular ethnic group, religious affiliation, sexual preference, gender, etc. is engaging in discrimination. Does that mean that the Daughters of the American Revolution should stop excluding men and immigrants? Of course not.

But it is simply foolish and ignorant to think that every time someone wants an all white group that they are doing so out of racism and affiliation with the KKK. To do so makes you no better than the KKK because it means you are really just as racist as they are.

There was mention of Affirmative Action. It certainly is sad that such a law was needed in the first place. But the reality is that if the qualifications for a position need to be lowered as part of Affirmative Action, it really just perpetuates the concept that one group is not as good as another, and that really wasn't the purpose of having Affirmative Action to begin with.

The reality is that there are some things that for whatever reason, certain groups of people just don't seem to want to do. How many black olympic swimmers do we see? They aren't forbidden to be part of the team, but apparently they are not interested. How many black country western stars are there? Is it because all the white cowboys won't let them do it or because not many blacks want to sing country western?

A person can find racism and discrimination anywhere if they really want to. Seems like more than a couple people on this thread find it everywhere they look. Doesn't mean that it exists, but it does mean that when you feel a need to keep finding it, you are perpetuating the problem.


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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/22/2010 5:49:42 AM   
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Why the belief that only whites engage in racism?



Read the article: it's all there, in black and white.

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/22/2010 5:57:02 AM   
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I just have to ask, do the players still qualify if they use tanning salons and spray-on tanning? 

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/22/2010 6:10:39 AM   
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Yes because they'll be pure Caucasian American born of purely Caucasian moms and dads.

But hey, the whole venture's not racist, so ...  .

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/22/2010 6:58:21 AM   
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I suppose I'll catch all kinds of shit (just exhale scat boys) when I introduce my

fun for the entire family, *Pin The Tail On The Honky* game next holiday season.

"Boys, they want to have fun, oh boys just want to have fun."

"That's all they really want."

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/22/2010 8:30:04 AM   
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If I knew what a 'honky' was, perhaps I'd laugh.

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/22/2010 8:39:30 AM   
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I'll wait.

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/22/2010 9:03:02 AM   
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Yes because they'll be pure Caucasian American born of purely Caucasian moms and dads.

But hey, the whole venture's not racist, so ...  .



Now look.... my 2,000 removed great grand parents were black and when I was young I could dunk...why would I not qualify?

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/22/2010 9:04:04 AM   
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I'll wait.

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Hold your breath. It might take a while.

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/22/2010 9:13:26 AM   
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I'll wait.

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Hold your breath. It might take a while.


Okay FINE I give.

A spunky, yet unassuming cheese.

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/22/2010 9:15:01 AM   
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Please say you'll give in, and this exhausting and draining game can be over and done with.

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/22/2010 9:24:00 AM   
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Please say you'll give in, and this exhausting and draining game can be over and done with.


Look up.

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/22/2010 11:01:25 AM   
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Why the belief that only whites engage in racism?



Read the article: it's all there, in black and white.


I read the article. They feel that whites are being discriminated against and want something soley for "whites."

How about you actually attempt to answer the question? Why do you seem to believe that only whites can and do engage in racism?

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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/23/2010 8:46:46 AM   
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A lot of people believe only whites are racist.

It is bullshit in my opinion, of course.

People of all nationalities can be racist. 

Then you get all the people arguing about "white priveldge"

It makes my head hurt.

I myself am a mixed blood, Irish on my fathers side, and Choctaw (American Indian and please do **NOT ** call Me native american, thank you - there are those of us who prefer American Indian or NDN or Native or First Nations, all of which are fine but absolutely do not call me native american) on my mother's side.

I know for a fact that poc can be just as racist as whites.


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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/23/2010 9:32:46 AM   
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Watching the WABL would be as enjoyable as watching Indian midget fencing.

(wait...I take that back)


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RE: White American only basketball league. - 1/23/2010 9:37:25 AM   
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Are these Native Americans or Asian Indians.

It makes a difference if I am gonna buy seasons tickets


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