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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 12:04:13 PM   
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I did not say such a thing was wrong.  I said it personally frightens me.  Just because I personally view something as disrespectful or cruel does not mean I judge another harshly for enjoying it.  If that is how a different submissive wishes to be treated?  Then by all means.

I was simply speaking of my own personal opinions and viewpoints.  There is a difference between having an opinion and judging others.

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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 12:06:37 PM   
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Sometimes, I don't really understand what is going through the head of so many 'Doms'. There seems to be this pervasive and evergrowing attitude that to be dominant means taking advantage of a submissive as much as you can and then tossing her by the wayside once she catches on to your shenanigans.

Frankly, I'm tired of it.


Well that's them told, phew! I was hoping someone would stand up and give those fuckers a good old telling off!

I'm sorry that you feel this way - I don't think it's either pervasive or ever-growing, since the dawn of time there have been users/abusers who prey on the vulnerable - and yes, sites like Collarme do attract a disproportionate number of them but I don't think you can make statements like these without seeming a little foolish.

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So, much to the annoyance of many, no doubt, you all get to be witness to my personal little rant on what I like to consider the three Pillars of Dominance.


When ever I read a line like this I think "fuck - I'm about to be annoyed"


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Honor.

Honor. A word from ages past. A concept and ideal that has spanned thousands upon thousands of years. You can find words meaning and carrying the same inflection in nearly every language upon this planet. I dare you to find me a society in the history of humanity where Honor of some sort or another was not vitally important.

This simply isn't true at all. "Honour" in the context of the judao-christian tradition is profoundly different to that found in the middle-eastern and far-eastern traditions. Yes there are similarities but no, you're just plain wrong on this one.
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I'll save you the time, you really won't be able to do that. Why? Because it is one of the founding principles of society.

Some people might interpret this as arrogance, when combined with the erroroneous assumption that honour is one of the founding principles of society.No, honour isn't one of the founding principles of society - co-operation is.
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The word itself can mean many things. Honesty, Reliability, Following specific protocols of interaction. Generally? I like to think of having Honor as being someone of integrity, someone with the courage to stand up and demand more of him or herself than is easy or popular. It means taking responsibility for your mistakes, it means admitting your faults, it means keeping your word. Honor means putting what is Right before what is Convienent. Honor means holding to a strict code of personal ethics. A code that does not allow much leeway in the way of actions.

Admitting that the word can mean many things does deflate your thesis a bit.


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Think back with me for a moment, and consider the sorts of people in human history to whom honor is most commonly ascribed as critically important. What sort of person comes to mind first when you think of the word Honor? For me it just happens to be a Knight. A man of strength, a man respected, a man who is honored and given reknown for his deeds and his dedication to a calling higher than himself. Greater than his desires and larger than his purse, his loins, or his comfort. Oft times given great power, because a Knight was supposed to be Honorable that power was given in the trust that he would use that power, that authority for what is good, not for personal gain.

I confess that, as a student of history my knee jerk reaction was "Do you have any frikken idea what "knights" used to actually do???" The "Knights" you talk of were rapists and robbers by and large. The romanticised definition you have of the knight and chivalry is an 18th Century invention by opium soaked romantic poets.
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A real Dominant should strive to be similar. Be Honorable, or find a different lifestyle.


I would advise against don't go telling people to find a different lifestyle if they don't meet your over romanticised definition of honour, there is a danger you might be seen as a pompous ass (which I'm sure you're not).
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Responsibility.

Ah yes. Responsibility. The word so commonly ground into our childlike minds as we grow and learn. The word upon which much of our society is now, supposedly, based. Be responsible and do your homework. Be responsible and support your family. Be responsible and finish your chores. Be responsible and maintain the car. But responsibility is more than this. Responsibility is more than fulfilling a grouping of actions and tasks which most, or many folks consider to be vitally important.

Responsibility means doing what needs to be done, not because it brings rewards, not because it offers comfort, not because it gains you respect. Responsibility means doing what needs to be done because to do otherwise is to bring harm upon yourself and others. Because to do otherwise is to be a less-than-productive member of society. Because to do otherwise is to be a drain upon those who are close to you.

Responsibility means owning up to your faults. It means admitting when you are less than perfect, it means accepting your mistakes. It also means stiriving to repair what damage you have done through inappropriate actions, thoughts, words or attitudes. Responsibility means doing your best to be valuabe and reliable.


To be fair, not a bad take on responsibility I spose.
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Be responsible, or be something besides a Dominant.

Again, when I read things like this, I have to say my immediate response is to shout "Who the fuck made you chief dom definer"
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Dignity.

Oh boy, here is the one where most folks are going to call me a crackpot. But perhaps I'm just old fashioned. Dignity means comporting yourself in a fashion that is neither embarressing nor inappropriate to the situation at hand. It means having pride in your accomplishments and yourself. Dignity means having respect for yourself. Having respect for yourself, of course, has various meanings as well. Lets address some of them, shall we?

Firstly. Don't be a braggart. Sure, we all find them amusing from time to time. And yes, a good, healthy bit of confidense is an attractive feature to most folks. But when you tend to go on and on about how incredibly awesome you are, how you never fail, make mistakes, or are just generally better than the rest of us poor, less-blessed human animals? People get very, very tired of being anywhere near you. Even the people who call you friend are most likely rolling their eyes when your back is turned. Being a braggart causes others to lose respect for you. I dare you to find a submissive who will gladly and happily submit to someone they don't respect.

That wasn't very easy, was it? I didn't think so.

Secondly? Take care of yourself. That means, yes, bathing regularly. Dressing appropriately when venturing out of your personal abode, and attempting to take care of your health. I ask you, how are you going to Dom your submissive if you're too busy being locked on the couch because you're out of energy due to being overweight/sick/fucking lazy (hint, the last is the worst.) Secondly, and this might be offensive. but for god's sake. Try to get some physical activity in. It's not very fun for the submissive if she's feeling squished when you're ontop of her, now is it? I really wouldn't think so.


This is a pretty hard-core definition of dignity - Mother Theresa wouldn't have passed your dignity test
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Thirdly, and lastly, but definately not least. Don't act like a child. Yes, this means being an adult. Is that really so hard to do? Don't throw temper tantrums, don't be overly judgemental, don't be greedy and selfish. Do your best not to be lazy. None of these things lend towards coming off reliably or with dignity. And dignity is definately important for a Dominant.


Now, just to make it clear, all of this doesn't mean you have to be some perfect manly man robot all the time. But do try to remember that you hold a position of respect and power. Comport yourself like you are someone worth respecting, it'll take you far.





Sigh... Where to start.

Fair play to you for speaking up with such confidence, although I'd sincerely advise you to temper it with a little more humility next time (perhaps you could add "humility " to your personal dignity tick-list.

I'd also say that none of these characteristics are any more germaine to or desirable within the context of BDSM  than they are to any other - I would sincerely hope that honour, responsibility and dignity formed part of everyone's life.

I disagree strongly that any of these things are "more necesary" within the context of D/s. As a parent - I have a pretty bloody hardcore standard of responsibility to meet.

Having given you a hard time for your post, I'll close with the thought that  - if these are your values and you can consistently live by them , then I salute you - they're as good a moral/life compass as you'll find - But I don't think they're necesarily tied to D/s - if you have these values, sure I'd say you're likely to be a better, more thoughtful, compassionate, empathetic Dom - You're also likely to be a more thoughtful, compassionate and empathetic human being.

Oh... for what it's worth - here's the thing I strive to match up to - If, by Rudyard Kipling - http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_if.htm


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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 12:17:40 PM   
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Just because I personally view something as disrespectful or cruel does not mean I judge another harshly for enjoying it.


Sorry, but that is precisely what you are doing, you are judging what another enjoys as being disrespectful, nowt wrong with making judgments if you keep them to yourself but it isn't a stand alone opinion its a judgment

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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 12:36:20 PM   
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I did not say such a thing was wrong.  I said it personally frightens me.  Just because I personally view something as disrespectful or cruel does not mean I judge another harshly for enjoying it.  If that is how a different submissive wishes to be treated?  Then by all means.

I was simply speaking of my own personal opinions and viewpoints.  There is a difference between having an opinion and judging others.


HisEvelyn, you admitted you are fairly new to this and I can understand how things like that frighten you but so long as you understand that some subs actually desire this sort of treatment and would be totally turned off by your sort of relationship then all is cool.
I still get shocked and I've been around forever!!! I read someones profile yesterday and thought OMG and quickly reminded myself, 'who am I to judge'


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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 12:41:21 PM   
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I definitely do understand some subs enjoy these things and that sort of treatment.  And in no way do I look down on them for it.  As long as it is consentual?  More power to them.  All I said was that for me personally, it's a frightening idea.

A lot of things shock me as I learn more about the different aspects of D/s.  But at no time am I disgusted or judgmental about it.  I think people are misinterpreting me.  Maybe I'm wording things badly.  I most likely am.

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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 12:43:15 PM   
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It's ok to be disgusted. just try to keep it too yourself..:)


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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 12:52:14 PM   
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I definitely do understand some subs enjoy these things and that sort of treatment.  And in no way do I look down on them for it.  As long as it is consentual?  More power to them.  All I said was that for me personally, it's a frightening idea.

A lot of things shock me as I learn more about the different aspects of D/s.  But at no time am I disgusted or judgmental about it.  I think people are misinterpreting me.  Maybe I'm wording things badly.  I most likely am.



First off, kudos to you for sticking it out and trying to explain yourself rather than getting your panties in a bunch and stomping off.

Secondly, I think some of the disconnect is your wording. Easy to do. As long as you stick it out and explain your real intent, it will come out in the wash.

Another thing that many of us forget is that, when all of this is new, there is a HUGE squick factor to a lot of things. Add that to a variety of relationship dynamics, and you have a recipe for the whole "OMG are these people crazy freaks?!?!?!?" I was just sitting here remembering the first time someone suggested water sports to me. Or the first time I heard about the Daddy/little girl dynamic. Orrrr......the M/s dynamic. Just lots of things that made my eyes bug out and my jaw drop. Things I don't think twice about now and some of them, I have come to find fit fantastically into my life.

All I can suggest is to judge/comment on other's choices less and take the time to get to know the person behind the choice. You may never be comfortable incorporating their stuff into your life but you will be less judgmental and negative about those choices.


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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 12:57:10 PM   
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Damn right. If you can't control yourself enough that you are more of a benefit to yourself and those around you, than you are a detriment? You shouldn't have a submissive. Because you're going to bring damage. the inherent nature of this lifestyle creates incredible vulnerability on an emotional and physical level. I, for one, believe that those who are not willing to be more reliable or trustable than the common man should not be given the opportunity to take advantage of that vulnerability.

Because really? It's only going to end in harm being done, otherwise.



theres nothing wrong with this statement atall. youre correct in theory, absolutely. but., ideology is dangerous. you cannot divide people up into categories of worthy and unworthy. you have to allow people to make their own minds up and go their own way.

those subs you talk about will get hurt (maybe) and then they learn (big learning curve) but they do. its called life. its how we all learnt.

i think youre approach, passion and energy is great all the best xx

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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 1:09:31 PM   
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Thank you for your understanding, Tigresse.  I think you described me pretty well there.  And I will always make an attempt to explain myself rather than simply stomping off.  Stomping off doesn't usually solve much of anything. :)

It is definitely a bit overwhelming to see all the various kinks and fetishes and preferences of people on here.  I thought I had a fairly good grasp of it when my Master and I had a long discussion about our limits and desires.  But talking about it with one person, and seeing it in a much broader sense, are two entirely different things.  It is one reason he encouraged me to come on here and get to know people.  To help me learn and broaden my horizons.

I apologize if I have seemed judgmental to anyone by expressing my opinions openly.  It's not my intent.  It's just a whole new world opening up to me, and I'm eager to share my thoughts.  I also admit to being eager to defend my Master's stance on the subject he brought up.  As I know that he is a very good man and a marvelous Master (at least for me and what I need in a Dominant), and I don't like to see people misunderstand his good intentions.

I truly don't recoil in disgust about much of the things I have seen on here.  For me, concerning the things that frighten me?  It is more a matter of my personal experiences.  Before my Master found me, I had experienced other Doms trying to pull me under their control.  And many of them did not have the basic rule of consentuality that is very prevalent here.  They believed that because they were a Dominant and they wanted me?  That they had the right to coerce me and try to force me into doing what they wanted, even if it hurt me and damaged me.  I did not experience the concept of "OK, our styles are different, so we should look elsewhere".

Therefore, when I see an ad like the one I mentioned?  I am not judging in any way the people who truly enjoy and consentually agree to such kinks and practices.  I more think to myself "Oh my god, is that one of the men who would take a new submissive who does not know any better and try to force her into this, even if it kills her inside and breaks her mind?  Because she thinks that if she is going to submit, that this is REQUIRED?" 

I was once there, given a wrong view of Dom/sub relationships.  That as a sub, I had no choice or no right to limits.  And that I strongly disagree with.  As does my Master.  This is primarily what we mean.  When he speaks of Honor and such, he refers to those Dominants who do not say "This is how I want it, and if you don't like it, go away".  Because that is perfectly valid.  He speaks of the Dominants who would manipulate a potential new submissive just starting out, without knowledge and seeking guidance (likely one with issues, as many of us do) and trying to convince her that his way is the ONLY way, so that he can have her.  That if she doesn't submit to everything he wants all the time, she is worthless as a submissive.

I really hope I'm explaining myself a little better.  I'm really trying, and again, I do apologize if I offend anyone, as that is not my intent.

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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 1:26:57 PM   
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I definitely do understand some subs enjoy these things and that sort of treatment.  And in no way do I look down on them for it.  As long as it is consentual?  More power to them.  All I said was that for me personally, it's a frightening idea.

A lot of things shock me as I learn more about the different aspects of D/s.  But at no time am I disgusted or judgmental about it.  I think people are misinterpreting me.  Maybe I'm wording things badly.  I most likely am.



It has to deal more with enlightening instead of misinterpreting. There are many differences as well as similarities betweeen people in the lifestyle. This results in there being no one true one wayism or things being set in stone. The codes of conduct are rather more of a personal nature, instead of focused upon any idealism that is set in stone like the 10 commandments.

Some people even consent to not having consent, which in itself appears to be a pardox of thought. Trying to define what is safe and sane, can be a challenge at times too. Some people don't consider activities that leave scars to be sane, while for others it's the very thing they desire. Honestly, how sane is it to want to be burned or burned by something like a cigerettee. Much can be debated about it. Some people would not think twice about this activitiy yet others will grimence in disbelief and horror.

Some Activities such a knife play, are misunderstood. It does not automatically mean somebody is going to recieve knife carvings, but it could. It could be as simple as light skin etching, the temperature play using the blade. Where the steel is used or part of sensation play. A knife is handy when combined with Wax play, to remove it off the skin. One can also use the tip of the knife to simply prick the skin in a manner that little blood droplets appears. Actually this is a HELL of A LOT LESS painful compared to being snapped with Large Rubbing Bands, still the preception of pain is a bit misconception. Not to mention, it depends upon the areas or parts of the body involved.

If you ever have had a shot in the arm at the Doctors office, you know that there are other things more painful compared to a needle. Yet, even when it comes down to needles. If you have ever had your blown drawn enough, you'll know the difference between somebody who knows what the fuck they are doing, and some sadistic (Jackass/Bitch) that you want to bitch slap right on the spot for their lack of skill and consideration. You know where you are left with a great big mark and it's sore for days afterwards. Just the act of having your blood drawn alone is not a good indication of how painful it will or will not be, or even can be. I'm attempting to share things from general perspective that you can relate it here.

Clearly though, very few people debate the sanity of getting a needle shoved into them while at the Doctors office. Yet, it's totally insane to do it for the sensation or experience of it? Mind you there are differences between going to the Doctors and Engaging in Needle play. Still none the less you are getting a needle shoved into your body.

Then again, having your ass whipped on by an Evil Stick or Crop can be a hell of a lot less painful compared to a needle. It's all a matter of perception, ones experiences, and who is doing what to what part of your body.

In terms of relationships, yeah.. some girls are looking to suck off some guy eating Nacho's then have their ass sent out the door. Not All girls are like this, just some. It's the fact that some girls exist like this, makes it a reality in BDSM land. Is there or is there not anything morally wrong with this? According to what standards should this be measured, even more so when both parties got exactly what they were looking for from one another.

Not everything is D/s and D/s alone based in BDSM land. There are Dom Couples, and Switch couples, and lions and tigers a wide variety of choices and tastes and things to select off from on the Buffet. Trying to define what is or is not sane can become rather a challenge. Is it or is it not safe to shove a needle in your body? Is safe and sane to play with knives when there is a risk involved that somebody might get cut by accident? This is assuming two people were playing with knives with no intentions of cutting involved, yet there is a chance it might happen.

There is a lot to be said about being aware of the Risks involved. Just because there is a risk of XYZ happening does not make people stop doing it because it's insane and unsafe.

Some of the things Skateboarders do, well can get pretty dangerous. Is jumping out of a perfectly good airplan at a few thousand feet sane and safe? What if the cute does not open? At what point in the falls does it start to become more unsafe? What about the landing area? Some people have got badly hurt by what they ended up landing on. Yet, this is all part of sky diving. If you don't want to take the Risks, it's best to never jump out of a perfectly good airplane.

So with knowing the Risks involved with Sky Diving, if I were to tell my partner, I'm sorry. I'm not gonna to allow you to do, because it's not in your best interests? If I were to talk her into going Sky Diving with me, does this mean I'm not looking out for her best interests because I'm exposing her to danger?

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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 1:34:08 PM   
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....I was once there, given a wrong view of Dom/sub relationships.  That as a sub, I had no choice or no right to limits.  And that I strongly disagree with.  As does my Master.  This is primarily what we mean.  When he speaks of Honor and such, he refers to those Dominants who do not say "This is how I want it, and if you don't like it, go away".  Because that is perfectly valid.  He speaks of the Dominants who would manipulate a potential new submissive just starting out, without knowledge and seeking guidance (likely one with issues, as many of us do) and trying to convince her that his way is the ONLY way, so that he can have her.  That if she doesn't submit to everything he wants all the time, she is worthless as a submissive.


This is why I say, it's best to find somebody that is like minded or similar views on things. This does not apply to those who seek to be molded and controlled according to the Dominants wishes and desires. There are some out there that truely are like this. Unless, you are one of them, find somebody that holds somewhat similar values and views. sigh...

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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 1:41:11 PM   
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getting sick of the words dom, master, sir

there ought to be a rule no one can call themselves any of them till a woman points a finger at him and says, that's my sir, master, dom

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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 1:45:17 PM   
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Thank you for your posts, Whiplash.  You've given me a lot of things to think about, and I will likely talk about much of it with my Master, as well. :)

As for choosing like-minded people?  It can be very difficult to do so when you do not really know about the lifestyle at all.  When a Dom finds you and pretty much appears to be the only option into such a possibility of domination/submission.  Especially when they reinforce that by making it seem like only THEY can do this for you.  That if only you'd put aside your silly ideas of limits and just shut up and do what you're told (without any discussion beforehand about what will NOT be sane or safe for you as a person), you'd be a good subbie.  As a young woman naive to the ideas of what BDSM is all about?  It can be pretty intimidating, and the desire to please can be twisted into being pushed WAY past what you can reasonably handle.

If a sub/slave chooses to relinquish all control and be entirely a toy?  To engage in TPE and give up all her rights?  If this satisfies her and makes the relationship good for both parties?  Excellent, and I wish them all the happiness.  It's only when such loss of control happens due to not being given a choice or knowledge about the options that I find issue with it.

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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 1:52:48 PM   
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getting sick of the words dom, master, sir

there ought to be a rule no one can call themselves any of them till a woman points a finger at him and says, that's my sir, master, dom


What he said. Except that it should also count if a man says it :-p


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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 2:08:52 PM   
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getting sick of the words dom, master, sir

there ought to be a rule no one can call themselves any of them till a woman points a finger at him and says, that's my sir, master, dom


Do the many have the right to take away the self-determination of the few?

Any rule that takes away from someone the ability to choose an action or role that does not inherently bring harm to others, is, inherently harmful to our cohesion as a society, or, more specifically to the Lifestyle Community as well. (Unless of course, someone gives up that right, or submits to that rule of their own free will.)

though I have to say, a part of me does see your point. Too many abusers or folks with control issues/manipulators calling themselves Master/Mistress Dom/me. It shames those of us who truely try to bring respect to the title.

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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 2:11:51 PM   
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Too many abusers or folks with control issues/manipulators calling themselves Master/Mistress Dom/me. It shames those of us who truely try to bring respect to the title.

WTF??????

Why?

Should I be ashamed to call myself a man, just because a lot of men are lameasses?

Piece of advice: Judge yourself by where you are with respect to your life goals.  Don't judge yourself by where you are with respect to other people.  That way lies only snobbery or desperation.


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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 2:14:21 PM   
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Too many abusers or folks with control issues/manipulators calling themselves Master/Mistress Dom/me. It shames those of us who truely try to bring respect to the title.

WTF??????

Why?

Should I be ashamed to call myself a man, just because a lot of men are lameasses?

Piece of advice: Judge yourself by where you are with respect to your life goals.  Don't judge yourself by where you are with respect to other people.  That way lies only snobbery or desperation.



At times, I am ashamed to be male considering many of the things alot of so called 'men' do. Just as at times I am ashamed that those who call themselves Dominant take advantage of that power.

But then, I have an overdeveloped public-duty center inside my head.

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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 2:21:57 PM   
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Too many abusers or folks with control issues/manipulators calling themselves Master/Mistress Dom/me. It shames those of us who truely try to bring respect to the title.

WTF??????

Why?

Should I be ashamed to call myself a man, just because a lot of men are lameasses?

Piece of advice: Judge yourself by where you are with respect to your life goals.  Don't judge yourself by where you are with respect to other people.  That way lies only snobbery or desperation.





a cock makes you a man, but what makes you a master?

< Message edited by osf -- 1/21/2010 2:22:46 PM >


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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 2:23:31 PM   
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At times, I am ashamed to be male considering many of the things alot of so called 'men' do. Just as at times I am ashamed that those who call themselves Dominant take advantage of that power.

But then, I have an overdeveloped public-duty center inside my head.

Don't sugarcoat this.  Someone does more volunteer work than other people, and make more financial donations than other people, because of an "overdeveloped public-duty center."  Someone feels shame because of the uncontrollable actions of others as a result of personal instability or immaturity.

Who is dominating whom if I do something that makes you feel crappy?


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Not with envy, not with a twisted heart, shall you feel superior, or go about boasting. Rather in goodness by action make true your song and your word. Thus you shall be highly regarded, and able to live in peace with all others.
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RE: Honor, Responsibility, Dignity. - 1/21/2010 2:24:47 PM   
ItsAProcess


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ORIGINAL: osf

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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ORIGINAL: ItsAProcess
Too many abusers or folks with control issues/manipulators calling themselves Master/Mistress Dom/me. It shames those of us who truely try to bring respect to the title.

WTF??????

Why?

Should I be ashamed to call myself a man, just because a lot of men are lameasses?

Piece of advice: Judge yourself by where you are with respect to your life goals.  Don't judge yourself by where you are with respect to other people.  That way lies only snobbery or desperation.





a cock makes you a man, but what makes you a master?


I'm afraid that I must disagree. Being a man means more than having a dick. Having a dick means you're a 'guy' or a 'male'. As far as I'm concerned. Men are more than walking, dangling genatailia, thank you.


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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ORIGINAL: ItsAProcess
At times, I am ashamed to be male considering many of the things alot of so called 'men' do. Just as at times I am ashamed that those who call themselves Dominant take advantage of that power.

But then, I have an overdeveloped public-duty center inside my head.

Don't sugarcoat this. Someone does more volunteer work than other people, and make more financial donations than other people, because of an "overdeveloped public-duty center." Someone feels shame because of the uncontrollable actions of others as a result of personal instability or immaturity.

Who is dominating whom if I do something that makes you feel crappy?



Ah the old 'If I can affect you in any negative emotional fashion, you're being dominated' argument. I've never subscribed to that idea. Even the most submissive of people are quite capable of doing things that makes another person feel embarressed/disgusted/ etc etc.

Dominance is about more than being rude.

< Message edited by ItsAProcess -- 1/21/2010 2:27:43 PM >

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