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servantforuse -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 5:20:42 PM)

What is wrong with a mom going on TV and telling people that she had a choice and chose life ?




DomKen -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 5:21:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomImus

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
My only problem is that CBS rejected a pro gay marriage ad for the last Super Bowl they broadcast. It was produced by a church group and was deemed too controversial. This ad is definitely controversial and produced by a religious group and should be rejected as well.


So you've seen it? Have a link to it that you can share with the rest of us? Or maybe you're just telepathic.


It's an anti abortion spot highighting the fact that doctors advised Mrs. Tebow to abort Tom. So its anti abortion and encourages women to disregard their doctors medical advice. What part of that isn't controversial?




Lucylastic -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 5:21:51 PM)

there are six billion results of the choice for life....
big whoop




rulemylife -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 5:22:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy.

But getting back to "women don't see it that way" broadstroke... 100's of millions of women are opposed abortion and will absolutely see this ad as a celebration of life.


Yes, truly a celebration of life.

Until the time comes for supporting the child.

But the same same people who advocate this celebration of life are also those opposed to any social welfare programs to children born to poor mothers who cannot afford to support them properly.




Learn more about Aid to Families with Dependent Children   Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) was a federal assistance program in effect from 1935 to 1996,[1] which was administered by the United States Department of Health and Human Services. This program provided financial assistance to children whose families had low or no income.


The program was created under the name Aid to Dependent Children (ADC) by the Social Security Act of 1935 as part of the New Deal; the words "families with" were added to the name in 1960, partly due to concern that the program's rules discouraged marriage.[2] By 1996 spending was $24 billion per year. When adjusted for inflation, the highest spending was in 1976, which exceeded 1996 spending by about 8%.[3]


Criticism
Libertarian author Charles Murray suggested that welfare causes dependency. He argued that as welfare benefits increased, the number of recipients also increased; this behavior, he said, was rational: there is little reason to work if one can receive benefits for a long period of time without having to.[4] While this approach drove policy,[5] the data are not entirely clear. State statistics are hard to evaluate since different demographic and economic conditions limit the effectiveness of direct comparison.


In the 1960s through 1980s, physicist William Shockley argued that AFDC and other similar programs tended to encourage childbirth, especially among less productive members of society, causing a reverse evolution (dysgenic effect), founded on the premises that: there is a correlation between financial success and intelligence; and that intelligence is hereditary.[6]

Shockley, whose initial fame came from his electronics designs, was abrasive and not a credible spokesman;[7] however, he and others were influential in bringing recognition to their hypothesis among the public and Congress.[8] The later work of Murray, Richard J. Herrnstein, and others suggested possible merit to the theory of a dysgenic effect,[9] however, without definitive proof.[10] In the end, this argument, right or wrong, was among the stepping stones leading to the modification of AFDC toward TANF.

 
Reform
In 1996, President Bill Clinton negotiated with the Republican-controlled Congress to pass the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act which drastically remade the program. Among other changes, a lifetime limit of five years was imposed for the receipt of benefits, and the newly-limited nature of the replacement program was reinforced by calling AFDC's successor Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). Many Americans continue to refer to TANF as "welfare" or AFDC.




chiaThePet -> RE: Tim Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 5:27:10 PM)


As long as Justin Timberlake politely rushes up to Tim's Mom and rips her top off
during the half time show exposing her right breast, I simply don't see a problem.

chia* (the pet)




servantforuse -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 5:28:08 PM)

So I guess that we know what we have always known. Doctors are wrong. Doctors make mistakes.Again she made a choice for life. This bothers pro abortion folks ?. Choice is good when they agree with the choice a woman makes. Otherwise I guess it's the wrong choice..




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 5:32:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Since Tim will probably be drafted by an NFL team early in the 1st, round. I am pretty sure that he also thinks that his mom made the right choice..Why would anyone object to that ? You tell me.


Late first round or second round. And maybe not as a QB.

I dont see why anyone "pro-choice" would object to such an ad, unless they are not really pro-choice, just pro-abortion.




rulemylife -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 5:33:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

What is wrong with a mom going on TV and telling people that she had a choice and chose life ?


The same thing that would have pro-lifers in hysterics if Planned Parenthood ran a similar commercial.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 5:35:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


It's an anti abortion spot highighting the fact that doctors advised Mrs. Tebow to abort Tom. So its anti abortion and encourages women to disregard their doctors medical advice.


Why do you think its "advice" and not "directives". People disregard their doctor's advice all the time, and in fact should be encouraged to do so when the advice conflicts with their personal beliefs and goals.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 5:37:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

What is wrong with a mom going on TV and telling people that she had a choice and chose life ?


The same thing that would have pro-lifers in hysterics if Planned Parenthood ran a similar commercial.


Odd that Ive never seen widespread objections to a Planned Parenthood ad.

More RML bullshit.




servantforuse -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 5:39:15 PM)

I would not have a problem if planned parenthood did just that. Pony up the money and let the chips fly.




rulemylife -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 5:40:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

So I guess that we know what we have always known. Doctors are wrong. Doctors make mistakes.Again she made a choice for life. This bothers pro abortion folks ?. Choice is good when they agree with the choice a woman makes. Otherwise I guess it's the wrong choice..


No, it bothers me that she is turning it into a political football.  (pun intended)




DomImus -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 5:43:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
It's an anti abortion spot highighting the fact that doctors advised Mrs. Tebow to abort Tom. So its anti abortion and encourages women to disregard their doctors medical advice. What part of that isn't controversial?


If the ad featured Mrs. Tebow and Tim and was a simple appeal to pregnant women who are considering abortion to reconsider their options you'd find that unacceptable and controversial? If it contained no mention of overturning Roe vs Wade or stopping women who do want abortions from having them you'd still find it unacceptable and controversial?

The reason the 'pro-choice' crowd does not approve of Mrs. Tebow's 'choice' is that they cannot stand toe to toe with their own advertisement. They cannot wrap that gruesome procedure up in a warm fuzzy 30 second commercial like the other side can and they know it. And they're up in arms about it.

For what it's worth I support the right to legal abortion. I would vote to keep it legal. I do not agree with the activist ruling found in Roe vs Wade, however. That is why I make the comments I do about the Constitutional right to abortion. I also object to people's objection to this advertisement based on it's concept, not it's content.






servantforuse -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 5:46:04 PM)

Everything in this country, every day is political. Maybe ask CBS why they took the money for the ad. They could have refused to run it. Follow the money.




chiaThePet -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 5:47:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

The same thing that would have pro-lifers in hysterics if Planned Parenthood ran a similar commercial.


A conga line of pregnant Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders in those cute cheer panties coaxing the crowd,

"Give me an A, give me a B, give me an O, give me an, an, ah, Amber, help me here, what comes next?"

Yes hysterical indeed.

chia* (the pet)




servantforuse -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 5:54:28 PM)

I agree with you Dom, especially since they haven't even seen the ad...




rulemylife -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 6:40:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Odd that Ive never seen widespread objections to a Planned Parenthood ad.

More RML bullshit.



You mean McCain supporters never objected to the Planned Parenthood ads about his position on the issue?

Do I really need to embarrass you again Willbeur or do you think you can find the time to do your own research before you put your foot in your mouth yet again?
 


Planned Parenthood

 
While the McCain camp does not comment on third-party ads, Republican National Committee spokesman Danny Diaz said, “Planned Parenthood’s ad is a vicious smear against Senator McCain and Governor Palin. This ad is patently false and represents the worst kind of politics."




Planned Parenthood Radio Ad Bashes John McCain for Opposing Abortion

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luckydawg -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 6:48:59 PM)

So danny said something adn that makes it widespread.

also the PP ad was about Mc cain, not about abortion. So it is hardly comparable.




rulemylife -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 7:02:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

So danny said something adn that makes it widespread.

also the PP ad was about Mc cain, not about abortion. So it is hardly comparable.


Sorry, choose the sock puppet you want to use tonight.

I can only respond to one at a time. 




KatyLied -> RE: Tom Tebow's Mom. (1/27/2010 7:12:04 PM)

Tim Tebow is not QB material for the NFL.  I have a hard time believing he goes 1st round.  He has no footwork, he can't take snaps under center.  He should be a receiver, not QB, unless he improves big time.  He is having a disappointing senior bowl practice experience.






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