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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 7:26:01 AM

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So it appears that your position is that Vegas was doing just fine till the president cautioned people against spending the rent money on gambling and booze.

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No, you'll have to quote where you used to make that assumption. I said it reflected on his ignorance about the impact of his words affect markets.

This from your OP

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It was only one year ago that the Vegas collapse started as a result of this comment:"You can't go take that trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on taxpayers' dime,"

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 7:47:12 AM

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So it appears that your position is that Vegas was doing just fine till the president cautioned people against spending the rent money on gambling and booze.

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No, you'll have to quote where you used to make that assumption. I said it reflected on his ignorance about the impact of his words affect markets.

This from your OP

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It was only one year ago that the Vegas collapse started as a result of this comment:"You can't go take that trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on taxpayers' dime,"

Yup, and the President's words were, and are, contributory, as documented. Yet, he was too stupid, or insensitive, to not say the same thing again. What's your problem with reality?

All the references, the people, the mayor, the unions, the hotels are wrong, and Obama words should be on a billboard for Vegas tourism? Do you have any understanding of the subject matter?

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 7:57:09 AM

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Obama's a moron. He directly contradicts himself in prepared speeches on a regular basis, and he doesn't even seem to realize. As to his having been president of the Harvard Law Review, until he releases his transcripts for all we know that was due to affirmative action.

Why won't he allow the release of his transcripts?

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We'll never know how smart Obama is, he's gone to great lengths to hide his college transcripts from the public.

Yup. Everyone knows that the Harvard Law Review only allows mediocre students to head it up.

Speaking of affirmative action, doesn't a legacy admission qualify as such?

Bush's prep school grades sucked but he still got admitted to Yale just because Daddy and Granddaddy were alumni.

Then his grades at Yale sucked and he somehow got admitted into a graduate program at Harvard.

CNN.com - How affirmative action helped George W.

If our President had the slightest sense of irony, he might have paused to ask himself, "Wait a minute. How did I get into Yale?" It wasn't because of any academic achievement: his high school record was ordinary. It wasn't because of his life experience--prosperous family, fancy prep school--which was all too familiar at Yale. It wasn't his SAT scores: 566 verbal and 640 math.

They may not have had an explicit point system at Yale in 1964, but Bush clearly got in because of affirmative action. Affirmative action for the son and grandson of alumni. Affirmative action for a member of a politically influential family. Affirmative action for a boy from a fancy prep school. These forms of affirmative action still go on.

And by the way, getting appointed to the Law Review in any law school is based strictly on merit.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 7:58:02 AM

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Well, I certainly doubt that Obama saying that gambling to get yourself out of the hole is not a good idea carried any more idiots away from that plan than when Jimmy Carter told us (and not offhand as a soundbite in a couple of speeches) in the 70's that we needed to decrease dependence on foriegn oil.

Now, the lack of empathy (if there truely is) for Las Vegas as a clearly boom and bust capitalistic economy is understandable, shit happens, it isn't on the scale of lets say Bushes indifference to Katrina victims.

Hey, werent you sorta saying that was their own doing not getting out? How does that differ for Las Vegas?

All your eggs in one basket and you trip..........

But I don't see anything in this entire thread that would speak to 'Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be?'

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 8:12:42 AM

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Hey, werent you sorta saying that was their own doing not getting out? How does that differ for Las Vegas

It doesn't - did I say it did?

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But I don't see anything in this entire thread that would speak to 'Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be?'

Then he just doesn't give a damn about that particular economic sector. I can see that argument too. Based upon his words and actions, he doesn't have a concern for any private enterprise or business sector. Bailing out the auto companies was a play for the union workers; although both ended up getting screwed. The goal of his policies is to increase government intervention into the daily life of the majority of US citizens. He doesn't care how much money he spends in the process.

Note that it was a question asked in the OP. Although nobody asked, I'd agree with you and he's not stupid. He has an agenda and it focused on it. I think when he's off TelePrompTer he forgets that it is stupid to disclose that agenda. He repeating a mistake that he made last year and brought more negative focus to himself. Obviously he considers Vegas, and what it represents, as an enemy of that agenda; better served by being silent on the issue.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 8:16:33 AM

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Vegas was already dying when Obama got in. I got a job offer over there and even though I turned it down, it was withdrawn before I'd ever heard of Obama. What's more, the guy who offered me the job has since retired early because they were not making any money. This all happened during the reign of GWB.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 8:23:51 AM

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So it appears that your position is that Vegas was doing just fine till the president cautioned people against spending the rent money on gambling and booze.

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No, you'll have to quote where you used to make that assumption. I said it reflected on his ignorance about the impact of his words affect markets.

This from your OP

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It was only one year ago that the Vegas collapse started as a result of this comment:"You can't go take that trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on taxpayers' dime,"

Yup, and the President's words were, and are, contributory, as documented. Yet, he was too stupid, or insensitive, to not say the same thing again. What's your problem with reality?
Your documentation is simply your opinion and of course Oscar Goodman's.
As has been pointed out to you Vegas was in the tank more than two years ago but in the above quote of yours you say it only happened on the presidents admonishment to be fiscally responsible a year ago.

All the references, the people, the mayor, the unions, the hotels are wrong, and Obama words should be on a billboard for Vegas tourism? Do you have any understanding of the subject matter?

Do you understand that you are suggesting that people spend their rent and grocery money on drugs and gambling so that rich people can become richer?
The president admonishes people to be fiscally responsible and you disagree with that so that rich people can become richer.

So it is your position that it is a prudent fiscal policy for people to spend their rent and grocery money on drugs and gambling?
Is it your position that those who cannot afford it should go to vegas and spend their rent and grocery money so that the casinos can make more money...and oh yes lets not forget your deep concern for the tiny amount of that money that will trickle down to a maid or a cook or waitress.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 8:54:30 AM

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Do you understand that you are suggesting that people spend their rent and grocery money on drugs and gambling so that rich people can become richer?
The president admonishes people to be fiscally responsible and you disagree with that so that rich people can become richer.

Again - if that is what you comprehended from the OP or subsequent posts - I can't help you.

I understand you are an Administration apologist. The economics of Vegas and Obama's reference to them as the economic 'evil empire' to make a point about personal responsibility should only be taken as academic reference and, as his most recent apology on the matter stipulates, was "unintended". To speak directly on his words you now have to backtrack, as he did, and include his latest spin on the subject; "There is no place better to have fun than Vegas, one of our country’s great destinations."

Reconciling the two quotes; I guess he wants you to get approval from the government and a certified review of your personal finances and educational planning for your children first. Maybe after paying a fee for some sort of certified government travel voucher and financial validation, having fun is Vegas is okay. It's an untapped revenue source. What do you think?

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 10:03:12 AM

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Well, in short reply and I apologize for not reading this entire thread and in answer to the question of this thread. It is my opinion that yes, Obama really is as smart as he's reputed to be. He's been elected the President of the United States. Now I know, I know...you're all gonna say "But I didn't vote for him". And despite the polls not being in his favor, still...he's sitting there as Chief Commander. For everything else he's been accused of then yea...I think he's quite the smart one to get the job despite it all. Wouldn't you??

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 10:13:19 AM

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Not if you are a Bush apologist, then everything that is wrong with this country is because of O'bama.

Never mind the evidence that the downfall began long before he was elected or uttered one word about Vegas

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 10:15:09 AM

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We'll never know how smart Obama is, he's gone to great lengths to hide his college transcripts from the public.

Yup. Everyone knows that the Harvard Law Review only allows mediocre students to head it up.

Steven, its all part of the eeeebil mooooozlem conspiwacy

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Membership in the Harvard Law Review is limited to second- and third-year law students who are selected on the basis of their performance on an annual writing competition. Harvard Law School students who are interested in joining the Review must write the competition at the end of their 1L year, even if they plan to take time off during law school or are pursuing a joint degree and plan to spend a year at another Harvard graduate school. Students who spend their 1L year at other law schools and are applying to transfer to Harvard Law School must write the competition in the spring before their 2L year and must be admitted to Harvard Law School to become a member of the Review.

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So he writes well, BFD, Stephen King writes well too, but I wouldn't want him as President.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 10:55:30 AM

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I'm just curious to know; would you say (or anyone else who would like to answer) that Obama's comments have a positive impact, a negative impact, or no impact at all?

This last comment..no impact at all. The original comments about Vegas and corporate meetings at other luxury resorts hurt tremendously. Cancellations in response to negative comments from the administratino about an AIG meeting there led directly led to the foreclosure of the St. Regis hotel in Dana Pt. CA for example.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 11:01:09 AM

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This last comment..no impact at all. The original comments about Vegas and corporate meetings at other luxury resorts hurt tremendously. Cancellations in response to negative comments from the administratino about an AIG meeting there led directly led to the foreclosure of the St. Regis hotel in Dana Pt. CA for example.

This is clearly your opinion but would you happen to have some sort of validation for this conclusion?

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 11:04:35 AM

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I'm just curious to know; would you say (or anyone else who would like to answer) that Obama's comments have a positive impact, a negative impact, or no impact at all?

This last comment..no impact at all. The original comments about Vegas and corporate meetings at other luxury resorts hurt tremendously. Cancellations in response to negative comments from the administratino about an AIG meeting there led directly led to the foreclosure of the St. Regis hotel in Dana Pt. CA for example.

HUH?

As usual, nothing to support a far-fetched claim.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 11:10:44 AM

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Do you understand that you are suggesting that people spend their rent and grocery money on drugs and gambling so that rich people can become richer?
The president admonishes people to be fiscally responsible and you disagree with that so that rich people can become richer.

Again - if that is what you comprehended from the OP or subsequent posts - I can't help you.

The president calls on people to act in a fiscally responsible manner and you disapprove...what am I missing?

I understand you are an Administration apologist.

It is clear that you do not understand much.
I am not supporting the administration I am trying to understand why a man who is constantly carping about personal responsibility is so upset with the president telling people not to spend the rent and grocery money on drugs and gambling.

The economics of Vegas and Obama's reference to them as the economic 'evil empire' to make a point about personal responsibility should only be taken as academic reference and, as his most recent apology on the matter stipulates, was "unintended". To speak directly on his words you now have to backtrack, as he did, and include his latest spin on the subject; "There is no place better to have fun than Vegas, one of our country’s great destinations."

Reconciling the two quotes; I guess he wants you to get approval from the government and a certified review of your personal finances and educational planning for your children first. Maybe after paying a fee for some sort of certified government travel voucher and financial validation, having fun is Vegas is okay. It's an untapped revenue source. What do you think?

I think the reconciliation between the two quotes is simple.
1. Don't spend the rent and grocery money on drugs and gambling.
2. If you have discretionary income Vegas is the place to go.
why that is so difficult for you to grasp evades me.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 11:17:19 AM

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As usual, nothing to support a far-fetched claim.

rml,
What claim? There was a question posed; which, although it's been very interesting and entertaining to see the apologists take on the task of justifying the President's comments regarding the specifics of the city of Vegas, wasn't the intended subject.

Dumbing down the results for you; the majority (including me) do think that the President is as smart as he's reputed to be. Only a couple of people thought otherwise. He's only being clear regarding his agenda.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 11:51:24 AM

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I am not supporting the administration I am trying to understand why a man who is constantly carping about personal responsibility is so upset with the president telling people not to spend the rent and grocery money on drugs and gambling.

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Grocery money? Drugs? Which version of the President's comments did you see that included the recommendation that people should cut our drug buys and use that money for their children's education? Did he really associate a vacation to Vegas with doing drugs? He didn't even reference "gambling". I must have read and listened to the short version of his lecture about how people should spend their money.

PS - While the rhetoric of the impact of the President's words will, I'm sure, still go on; here's a dose of factual reality to consider when forming an opinion if the latest Presidential lecture had any impact.

"We've had about six major groups cancel," said Karen Gordon, president of the destination management company Activity Planners in Las Vegas. "Las Vegas and the entire meeting and incentive industry is being unfairly portrayed in a negative light."

On Wednesday, Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman and officials from the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority said insurance giant State Farm also has backed out of an event.

Here's an ironic twist which again would substantiate the negative impact of specifying Vegas as the poster child for evil destinations. The company, which received $10 billion in taxpayer money, moved the event to San Francisco, a city with pricier hotel rooms and higher average airfares. They received a huge tax payer funded bail out welfare check as a reward for failing. They are still having a blow out convention. However, because of the President specified Vegas, they're spending more money in SF.

The people who paid taxes didn't have the choice of funding the bail out or saving the money for their kid's education. They only have two options - pay taxes or go to jail. They didn't get to consider going to Vegas or SF.

Bottom line - Obama's words may not have any impact on getting Health Care approved but as a travel agent for conventions - people are listening and changing plans based on his comments.

Maybe I should reconsider my opinion regarding his intelligence if he represents a position that he didn't realize his words would have this impact.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 12:03:08 PM

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The president asked people not to spend the rent and grocery money on gambling and drugs in vegas...I am sorry you were unaware that alcohol is a drug...now you know.
The statement of Ms. Gordon and Mr. Goodman speaks directly to convention bookings and not to those who would be spending the rent or grocery money. Why is that simple concept so difficult for you to grasp?

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 12:11:23 PM

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he president asked people not to spend the rent and grocery money on gambling and drugs in vegas...I am sorry you were unaware that alcohol is a drug...now you know.

Curious - are you dizzy from that 'spin'?

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The statement of Ms. Gordon and Mr. Goodman speaks directly to convention bookings and not to those who would be spending the rent or grocery money. Why is that simple concept so difficult for you to grasp?

LOL!

That doesn't even meet the standard to qualify as 'spin'!

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/4/2010 1:07:46 PM

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he president asked people not to spend the rent and grocery money on gambling and drugs in vegas...I am sorry you were unaware that alcohol is a drug...now you know.
Curious - are you dizzy from that 'spin'?
No spin...you mentioned you were unaware that alcohol was a drug, I disabused you of your ignorance (this is where polite people say thank you).

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The statement of Ms. Gordon and Mr. Goodman speaks directly to convention bookings and not to those who would be spending the rent or grocery money. Why is that simple concept so difficult for you to grasp?
LOL! That doesn't even meet the standard to qualify as 'spin'!

It is pretty simple really...You did get the part that it was a convention that was canceled didn't you?
This is what the president said "You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college." ~ President Obama.
Now how does that translate to "Don't book your convention in Vegas"?

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