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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 8:31:56 AM   
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when, as a county, there should be a unified goal of improving everyone's economic condition.


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Which is something you want the president to pursue with the same vigor as you?


YES!

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 8:58:23 AM   
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appreciate your surrender, and await your usual; "One more thing, and THIS is my last word on this thread..."


Do you even HAVE the ability to address something I've ACTUALLY said instead of consistently inventing your own?

Things are fine here, thanks. You and your friends are the ones whining about a bad economy that recovered from recession six months ago. You might better spend the time finding out what those businesses know that you guys clearly don't.

If we followed your beliefs, if Obama tomorrow said, "Heal, Economy, Heal! And go to Vegas!" then suddenly the casinos and hotels and convention centers would be awash with cash.

You're clowning around. It's hard to believe anyone could be so fantastically foolish. Don't be surprised when you're not taken seriously.

And not just by me. Read your thread.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 9:26:20 AM   
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Merc, do you think he's really as smart as he's reputed to be? You've seemed to have changed your mind:

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Note that it was a question asked in the OP. Although nobody asked, I'd agree with you and he's not stupid. He has an agenda and it focused on it. I think when he's off TelePrompTer he forgets that it is stupid to disclose that agenda. He repeating a mistake that he made last year and brought more negative focus to himself. Obviously he considers Vegas, and what it represents, as an enemy of that agenda; better served by being silent on the issue.


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Dumbing down the results for you; the majority (including me) do think that the President is as smart as he's reputed to be. Only a couple of people thought otherwise. He's only being clear regarding his agenda.


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Yup, and the President's words were, and are, contributory, as documented. Yet, he was too stupid, or insensitive, to not say the same thing again. What's your problem with reality?


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Maybe I should reconsider my opinion regarding his intelligence if he represents a position that he didn't realize his words would have this impact.


Do you believe he has an anti-Vegas agenda? I ask because it's odd to me to link his intelligence with a comment about whether folks should spend money in Vegas or not. Also (emphasis added):

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He has an agenda and it focused on it. I think when he's off TelePrompTer he forgets that it is stupid to disclose that agenda. He repeating a mistake that he made last year and brought more negative focus to himself. Obviously he considers Vegas, and what it represents, as an enemy of that agenda; better served by being silent on the issue.


Why do you think Vegas is an enemy of his agenda? I suspect it's the socialist thing, but I'm interested in your answer.

So it seems to me if we're going to gauge his intelligence on the Vegas remark, he's either intelligent and manipulating in maligning Vegas, or he is stupid in forgetting not to specifically malign Vegas.


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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 10:14:23 AM   
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appreciate your surrender, and await your usual; "One more thing, and THIS is my last word on this thread..."
Do you even HAVE the ability to address something I've ACTUALLY said instead of consistently inventing your own?


I wonder why I do and why I should. You previously said this; I'll leave you to play with your friends and your straw dolls. Yet here you are. Or was that something you didn't "ACTUALLY" say?

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If we followed your beliefs, if Obama tomorrow said, "Heal, Economy, Heal! And go to Vegas!" then suddenly the casinos and hotels and convention centers would be awash with cash.
My "belief" is that a President represent an entire country. Lacking the ability to make a point any other way, he should never make it at the expense of any segment, or city, he serves.

Or is that too difficult a belief to comprehend?


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Why do you think Vegas is an enemy of his agenda?

Two reasons; first even after considering his inability to read from a TelePrompTer and say the word 'corpsman', I don't think the President is stupid anymore than Bush's inability to say the word 'nuclear' represented his lack of intelligence. Although it's interesting to see the lack of coverage regarding one compared to the attention given the former.

Vegas represents unadulterated capitalism. You win you lose or you don't play. The only 'insurance' you can buy is at the blackjack table and any 'expert' will tell you it's a bad percentage bet. It's counter to an agenda that has at its core a reliance on a source to dictate how much income is enough, how much of your income you can risk or keep, and where and what you should spend anything left over after, or even before, the bills are paid. Vegas is self reliance; with consequences for bad decisions as rewards for good ones, even if luck is as much a factor as skill or knowledge. I don't belief that reality fits into Obama's vision or agenda for the country and it's his mental reference for capitalism when he uses it as he did last year and last week.

Which is why I concluded that Obama's comments did not disclose his lack of intelligence, but did serve to disclose an overall agenda. I don't qualify that agenda as good or bad. I do say that it is not aligned with mine. I have no issue with disagreement and differences of opinion. When something like this occurs I appreciate it as an opportunity to better understand the person and/or policy and I make decisions based on that knowledge.

I hope that answers your question.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 10:28:04 AM   
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Why do you think Vegas is an enemy of his agenda?



Which is why I concluded that Obama's comments did not disclose his lack of intelligence, but did serve to disclose an overall agenda. I don't qualify that agenda as good or bad. I do say that it is not aligned with mine. I have no issue with disagreement and differences of opinion. When something like this occurs I appreciate it as an opportunity to better understand the person and/or policy and I make decisions based on that knowledge.

I hope that answers your question.


It does and was as I suspected. Thanks Merc!

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 10:53:16 AM   
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During the president's town hall meeting in Nashua, New Hampshire, he discussed the need to curb spending during tough economic times. "When times are tough, you tighten your belts," the president said. "You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college."

From Merc's link. I think Obama made himself quite clear. You also dont buy caviar if your wallet is screaming ground beef. I dont find fault with his attitude a year ago either. As a corportation, you dont come begging the american people for money, then splurge by going to Vegas for a convention. Leaves a bad taste in the mouth, ya know. Sorry Vegas is having such a hard time... but Obama is the US President.. not just Vegas. His comments were in the best interest of this nation, not just one small sector.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 11:00:15 AM   
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Or buy 30 second Superbowl ads when you are expecting $1.6 trillion in shortfalls on your next budget?



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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 11:06:33 AM   
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Vegas represents unadulterated capitalism. You win you lose or you don't play.


Really? Unadulterated? Not a mixed economy of public agencies and private entities?

This is what I find fascinating. People are always claiming that there is such a thing as the "free" market, unadulterated by messy public regulations, government financed and government run bureaucracies.

And yet...such a thing doesn't exist. Lets look at Las Vegas. The main engine driving the Las Vegas economy is as it is most places, privately owned businesses on private land.

But there is another system of government run entities that supports and feed this marketplace- the government of Nevada buys water from the Colorado River, bargaining on the behalf of the private businesses to purchase water at favorable rates from other states like Arizona and California.
The government does the same with electricity (which capitalistic business built Hoover Dam???) policing, roads, and overall infrastructure.

The privately owned casinos depend on the publicly financed and run infrastructure for their very existance. They depend also on a government run system of gaming regulations that maintain the public belief that the gambling is run fairly and honestly.

Demonizing government as a parasite that feeds upon the beleaguered free market is mistaken; the government and marketplace have a symbiotic relationship, where one feeds and supports the other.

Without the government, Las Vegas would dry up and become a a ghost town.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 11:16:49 AM   
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Or buy 30 second Superbowl ads when you are expecting $1.6 trillion in shortfalls on your next budget?




hi Master Thadius

im aware he ran ads in 2008, while running for office... and from what i remember, they were all placed into the local markets, not the national, which made them cheaper.

i wasnt aware he is planning that again. i cant seem to find a link, as hard as i tried to locate one. but, i would agree, Master, if he, as president, is running political ads on superbowl sunday, then yes, he needs to tighten his own belt.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 11:20:41 AM   
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Or buy 30 second Superbowl ads when you are expecting $1.6 trillion in shortfalls on your next budget?




hi Master Thadius

im aware he ran ads in 2008, while running for office... and from what i remember, they were all placed into the local markets, not the national, which made them cheaper.

i wasnt aware he is planning that again. i cant seem to find a link, as hard as i tried to locate one. but, i would agree, Master, if he, as president, is running political ads on superbowl sunday, then yes, he needs to tighten his own belt.

They already purchased the spot for the Census Bureau...

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 11:23:34 AM   
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And yet...such a thing doesn't exist. Lets look at Las Vegas. The main engine driving the Las Vegas economy is as it is most places, privately owned businesses on private land.


You would think that the President wouldn't use them as scapegoat for excess since the government invested so much into their success. I would think a President overseeing an economy having both private and public interests served by its use wouldn't specify it to make a valid point. But he did; which, without argument to any of your references, remains the point.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 11:32:32 AM   
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Ok Merc, i've read through the whole thread and, quite frankly, you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Vegas is more than just an economic entity. It's a concept, a metaphor. A town based on a single industry...entertainment, and famous for being just that.

You seem to take issue with Obama suggesting that people should not spend money needed for necessary things on frivolous things by using this metaphor. Which is contrary to other statements and positions you have taken. It is responsible not to gamble away the rent money and yet you seem to think that Obama merely stating this aloud is some sort of dark giveaway of a horrible anti-american agenda.

i expect this sort of thing from people like Sanity or FatDomDaddy........but you Merc?

As for the drop in revenues observed in Vegas, isn't it more likely a result of the current economic climate, rather than anything Obama said? And, quite frankly, given that economic climate...i'd see such a drop as evidence of sensible people making sensible decisions about their money. And not, as you seem to suggest, evidence of a dark Obama-led conspiracy to disassemble the fundamentals of capitalism.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 11:40:21 AM   
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*sigh* I don't think the President said the name "Vegas" as anything more than simple American venacular.  The City of Las Vegas has enjoyed the name of their city being synononous with a place to which adults travel for fun.  The President could have said Laughlin or Reno but the simple fact is people know where Las Vegas is and what one can do there.  They don't have that same understanding of Biloxi.  I suppose if the President had said something like, "Now's not the time to waste a bunch of kleenex crying over the past...." then Kimberly-Clark could blame him for any poor sales they have in the future.

There's not a conspiracy in everything.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 11:41:13 AM   
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And not, as you seem to suggest, evidence of a dark Obama-led conspiracy to disassemble the fundamentals of capitalism.
Any conclusion you come to having me represent a "conspiracy" must be a result of translating American English to the British version. My belief is that Obama feels that government should be the first source of reliance instead of the last. That's not based on any conspricy its a matter of the logical conclusions drawn fros the goals he's set as well as the lectures he's given, such as in NH, regarding personnel accountability. He uses Vegas, as you say, as a metaphor for a condition he hopes to reduce or eliminate.
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Vegas is more than just an economic entity. It's a concept, a metaphor. A town based on a single industry...entertainment, and famous for being just that.
Thanks philo for confirming why I believe President Obama used it twice to represent an affront to his agenda. I came to the same conclusion, as you would know since you read though the whole thread.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 11:54:20 AM   
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Or buy 30 second Superbowl ads when you are expecting $1.6 trillion in shortfalls on your next budget?




hi Master Thadius

im aware he ran ads in 2008, while running for office... and from what i remember, they were all placed into the local markets, not the national, which made them cheaper.

i wasnt aware he is planning that again. i cant seem to find a link, as hard as i tried to locate one. but, i would agree, Master, if he, as president, is running political ads on superbowl sunday, then yes, he needs to tighten his own belt.

They already purchased the spot for the Census Bureau...


Thank you Master Thadius. Seems they have bought an ad during the super bowl... that also gives them ads during the pregame and on air mention during the game as well. Not bad for 2.5 million.

The Census Bureau said that its deal with CBS, which will broadcast the game, includes not only the 30-second ad during the third quarter, but some "added value" in a special arrangement with the network: two 30-second spots during the pregame show and two or three live, explicit on-air mentions of the 2010 Census by CBS Sports pregame show anchor James Brown.

"We think this is a pretty good deal for the taxpayers," said Steven J. Jost, the Census Bureau's associate director for communications.

Last year's Super Bowl was seen by 98.7 million people, and Sunday's audience are expected to be consistent with the record ratings for this year's AFC and NFC Championship games.

The ads are part of the Census Bureau's multimillion-dollar advertising and outreach campaign, launched last month, which includes a mix of television, radio, print and Web advertisements.


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/02/census_bureau_defends_super_bo.html

Now, as far as that price tag... and it is a huge one... there is also a cost associated with the Census. In 2000, the advertising budget was 20 percent less than the 133 million dollar budget they have this year. A 20 percent increase in 8 years... many things have grown, in price, that much in the past eight years.

There is also the cost associated with door-to-door census taking. I found this in an article about the CB's budget...

Paid advertising was first used in the 2000 Census and is credited with turning around a declining rate of response. In that census, 33 percent of the households that were mailed census forms did not return them promptly. Each percentage point of nonresponding residents costs the government $80 million to $90 million because of the number of people hired to knock on doors, officials say. Ad spending for this year's census will be 20 percent higher than in 2000.

..... also in this article (which i will include the link later)

The division of ad dollars has been criticized by some media executives who say they are not getting their fair share.

Danny Bakewell, president of the National Newspaper Publishers Association, which represents about 200 black-owned newspapers, said the $2.5 million budgeted for African American publications is inadequate.

"I think the census is setting us up to have the biggest catastrophe of an undercount of black Americans in the history of the census," he said.

Census officials said most of the $23 million being spent to reach African Americans -- up from $17 million in 2000 -- is going to television and radio spots, which market research suggests are most effective. Print ads will run in 140 African American newspapers, potentially reaching 82 percent of the intended population, said Steve Jost, a spokesman for the census.

Arturo Vargas, head of the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials Educational Fund, said that although the $25.5 million being spent on Hispanic advertising is a significant increase from the $19 million spent in 2000, Hispanics are more dispersed in 2010, and some states have few organizations to help spread the message.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/14/AR2010011402623.html

So, i see many have complaints both ways... too much... or not enough being spent. The total CB expence is likely to cost over 11 billion. 2.5 million, in a 30 second ad that about half the country will see, to save 80-90 million for each percentage point of returned surveys.... not a bad attempt to reduce costs, actually. Lets hope it works!

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 12:06:38 PM   
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I agree that the number of people that see the game (and the ads) is huge and might be a good way to get the message out. Also the 11.3 billion cost for the Census is nothing to sneeze at (not that you were). The saturation at least here in my local viewing area is insane. There is a Census commercial on during almost every commercial break (or at least that is the way it seems from my point of view).

Anyways, the point I was trying to highlight is that the President is talking about tightening belts and not overspending for all of us, yet the budget keeps growing. The $15 billion dollar "spending freeze" is like going into a McDonalds ordering 10 Big Macs and a diet coke.

This year and next we will be getting hit with the first baby-boomers able to collect Social Security and Medicare, and it is only going to get worse. It just seems that Congress and the past couple of Presidents act like they are drunken sailors going on leave with Bill Gates credit card. Know what I mean?

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 12:44:51 PM   
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i agree, Master Thadius, not that you need me too ~grins

and i wish i had Gates credit cards.. lol.

i tried to find who approved the CB's budget. on one site, a blogger suggested that it was during 2006, though i can find no confirmation on this number. IF that is true, then times were certainly better then. But i can understand why so many are nervous about the CB this time around... congressional seats can stand in the line of fire... so to speak.

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 12:47:42 PM   
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All presidents are just figureheads, a face for the public to focus on while the banks screw us for everything we have. just my opinion

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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 12:48:42 PM   
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RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? - 2/5/2010 12:55:34 PM   
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It's not my fault I burned my legs when I placed a cup of hot coffee in my crotch to hold it while I drive, it's McDonald's fault for not telling me the coffee was so hot!  And people get rewarded for that thinking and behavior.  WTF!


What this has become is an urban myth that people keep repeating without knowing anything about the actual case.

Here is a link and an excerpt:


The Actual Facts about the Mcdonalds' Coffee Case


The trial court subsequently reduced the punitive award to $480,000 --
or three times compensatory damages -- even though the judge called
McDonalds' conduct reckless, callous and willful.



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