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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 8:50:44 AM

lusciouslips19

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Can a raindrop quench the desert.

Can a windstorm move a mountain.

Can a whisper still the oceans.

Can a sub own a Dominant.

Fuck no.

After complete read through:

NO fucking way.

That is, I totally agree with Mr. Ebony (color of his) Wood.

Regards, Mr. Lance is Huge

Yea but a whole bunch of raindrops,wind or submissives......

WATCH OUT!!!!

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 9:02:03 AM

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For me - I am my Sirs -
and he is mine.

wheither we are talking about hearts, minds or bodies - its a bit irrelevant. It just is.

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 9:10:19 AM

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aaww but what if the Dominant feels he has not choice but to own her. She is everything he wanted... it is like the planets have aligned and heaven has opened it's door. He is powerless to refuse owning her... for not to own her is denying who he is.
I believe how one defines ownership will have a significant impact on one's perspective.

maybe for some ownership is one way... for others it's two way... then there is the third.. where it's not the individuals owning... but the relationship owning the individuals. I suspect no one wants to leave that perfect relationship. But why is it perfect in the first place. I suspect it is the melting of the individuals that create something very special that keeps them both in such a perfect relationship. In some cases ... they serve that kind of relationship and maybe they are own by it as well.

i read this today in a descriptive essay about a slave:

"She is voracious and demanding, wanting nothing more, and certainly nothing less, than absolute enslavement to the one she loves--the owner of her soul. She cannot be, will not be, and is incapable of being completely happy, until she knows to the very depths of her being that her owner is, in truth, owned by the reality of owning her. She longs for the completion of a partner in her own rapture and misery."

Thought it's an interesting perspective - something i'm considering as well.

(Both emphasis mine - thank you

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 9:17:38 AM

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...if a Dominant can feel that theyre sub or slave belongs to them, can a slave or sub feel that her Dominant belongs to her...

absolutely. however, not this slave. she isn't in a position to own anything other than what Master allows...and it isn't about what is legally allowable...it is about the integrity of this slave's commitment to Him.

this slave gave up ownership and inherited right to ownership over any property she held any interest in, as defined under the law, when she agreed to become His. part of this slave's commitment to Him is to eliminate "my" from her vocabulary...mental and verbal, which is why she doesn't refer to Him as "my"...and she doesn't claim or perceive any ownership of Him.

quote:

...what does ownership even feel like ...

as in of another person? upon imagining it...icky...a cross between an uncomfortable weight of responsibility and undesirable selfish posessiveness.

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 9:21:02 AM

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Absolutely! Everyone owns everyone.

If you have a contract, agreement, vow, or legal obligation that ties you together, he owns you and you own him. He is your dominant. He's not the dominant, some dominant, her dominant .. he's your dominant. You should take pride in him, seek to help him, and help him grow in the ways in which he will grow, teach him about yourself, learn about him, in the same ways as he is doing (or should be) with you.

Think of it in other terms. Your parents are your parents, your teachers are your teachers. Your Mayor, is your Mayor. It doesn't matter whether or not they have other children, students, or citizens to be concerned with. They belong to you, or they belong to you as well as belonging to others, and they have an obligation to interact with you as persons who are yours and who have taken on that mantle of responsibility.

If you are religious, and worship this way, you own God. Not as in you get to tell him what to do, but, he is your God. What he does, says, thinks, feels affects your life. You have the right to talk to him, question him, ask for understanding, look for proof. He belongs to you.

It's the same in everything. If you are at all committed to anyone, they belong to you. And, if they belong, then they are owned. You are your own, therefore they, being a part of you, are owned.

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 10:39:28 AM

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Great thread here and begs of the example of. "What came first? The chicken or the Egg?" Things can and should go both ways as much as possible. To keep a relationship fresh and fun both Master and slave must accept and learn from each other.

What ever fun things I wanted to do or try my slave went along with it. And what she wanted was granted as well. Even open communication so no hard feelings would ever come up.

Dont "worry" about who owns who, or who is in control. But instead just have "Fun" and be nice to each other as after all we are human and need each others support!

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 11:21:50 AM

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Edited to properly post pic. See below.

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 11:26:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: Frankseas
Dont "worry" about who owns who, or who is in control. But instead just have "Fun" and be nice to each other as after all we are human and need each others support!

Exactly!

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 11:38:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven

quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

aaww but what if the Dominant feels he has not choice but to own her. She is everything he wanted... it is like the planets have aligned and heaven has opened it's door. He is powerless to refuse owning her... for not to own her is denying who he is.
I believe how one defines ownership will have a significant impact on one's perspective.

maybe for some ownership is one way... for others it's two way... then there is the third.. where it's not the individuals owning... but the relationship owning the individuals. I suspect no one wants to leave that perfect relationship. But why is it perfect in the first place. I suspect it is the melting of the individuals that create something very special that keeps them both in such a perfect relationship. In some cases ... they serve that kind of relationship and maybe they are own by it as well.

i read this today in a descriptive essay about a slave:

"She is voracious and demanding, wanting nothing more, and certainly nothing less, than absolute enslavement to the one she loves--the owner of her soul. She cannot be, will not be, and is incapable of being completely happy, until she knows to the very depths of her being that her owner is, in truth, owned by the reality of owning her. She longs for the completion of a partner in her own rapture and misery."

Thought it's an interesting perspective - something i'm considering as well.

(Both emphasis mine - thank you )

something i wrote

The submissive woman the terminator.

A submissive woman’s sexuality is unceasing in it’s appetite and need. That sexual need is there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever.

Most men that think they are dominants don’t understand that simple fact which is why they crash and burn.

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 11:53:04 AM

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ARRGH!!! Trying again to fix post of pic.... see below

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 12:05:32 PM

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< Message edited by LanceHughes -- 2/6/2010 12:07:38 PM >

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 12:12:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Do you have TimTams?

I don't seem to able to get this to post. You'll just have to click on the link:

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 12:20:02 PM

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This Dom would like to have anyone (sub or not) "OWN" his attention to correct him. NO punishment required: I've beat myself up quite enuff, thank you. LOL!

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 12:25:59 PM

lally2

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
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...what does ownership even feel like ...

as in of another person? upon imagining it...icky...a cross between an uncomfortable weight of responsibility and undesirable selfish posessiveness.

i concur - it is icky

but to be owned, isnt -

it isnt a fantasy at all. the legal end of it is of course and you can walk away, but that is a physical freedom and far removed from the abstract feelings behind why someone feels owned by another or feels that they own someone and that feeling can and often does continue long after the relationship has ended.

i liked uniqueravens excerpt - in a way that touches on this perfectly.

it probably is about both people feeling owned emotionally to the other - the Dominant is as unwilling to leave as the submissive, the submisives happyness becomes as pivotal to the Dominant as the Dominants happyness is pivotal to the submissive.

i see what you mean by it being a difficult line to tread CreativeDominant, but loving and nurturing a submissive is about maintaining the 'role' you both have and thus keeping the relationship alive. you are loving her by owning her (if that is youre translation of the feelings involved). the moment you step away from that purpose you lose the thread of who you both actually are to each other. which is an interesting part to this.

why cant we feel that same ownership in a more egalitarian, vanillaish manner.

i would agree that vanillas feel a similar 'ownership' of each other, but it must be a bit different to ours if our relationships cannot function or thrive in a more vanillaesque manner.

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 1:04:28 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: lally2

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
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quote:

...what does ownership even feel like ...

as in of another person? upon imagining it...icky...a cross between an uncomfortable weight of responsibility and undesirable selfish posessiveness.

i concur - it is icky

but to be owned, isnt -

it isnt a fantasy at all. the legal end of it is of course and you can walk away, but that is a physical freedom and far removed from the abstract feelings behind why someone feels owned by another or feels that they own someone and that feeling can and often does continue long after the relationship has ended.

i liked uniqueravens excerpt - in a way that touches on this perfectly.

it probably is about both people feeling owned emotionally to the other - the Dominant is as unwilling to leave as the submissive, the submisives happyness becomes as pivotal to the Dominant as the Dominants happyness is pivotal to the submissive.

i see what you mean by it being a difficult line to tread CreativeDominant, but loving and nurturing a submissive is about maintaining the 'role' you both have and thus keeping the relationship alive. you are loving her by owning her (if that is youre translation of the feelings involved). the moment you step away from that purpose you lose the thread of who you both actually are to each other. which is an interesting part to this.

why cant we feel that same ownership in a more egalitarian, vanillaish manner.

i would agree that vanillas feel a similar 'ownership' of each other, but it must be a bit different to ours if our relationships cannot function or thrive in a more vanillaesque manner.

both serve the relationship

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 1:47:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: lally2

it probably is about both people feeling owned emotionally to the other - the Dominant is as unwilling to leave as the submissive, the submisives happyness becomes as pivotal to the Dominant as the Dominants happyness is pivotal to the submissive.

why cant we feel that same ownership in a more egalitarian, vanillaish manner.

i would agree that vanillas feel a similar 'ownership' of each other, but it must be a bit different to ours if our relationships cannot function or thrive in a more vanillaesque manner.

If you're in a relationship, you're in it together .....committed to it, invested in it and operating in it in the way that you've chosen together.

I felt just as committed and invested in my marriage as I do my D/s relationship. The only difference is that I chose to be in a relationship with a different structure.

I'd call it being *emotionally invested* ...I don't really see any need to describe the fact that he cares very much for me as me *owning* a bit of him. Few things are made better for complicating them.

agirl

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 1:49:46 PM

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Hi Lally
Just like you, I have difficulty owning anything. I am allergic to the word my and havent used it in a long time.

Can I own Sir? Best not even try to do that, since I am not a great owner of people, things and stuff. He can own himself as well as me, and i will own-up to my responsibility of being His.

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 1:55:49 PM

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Lally, this is my take on it: owning my slaveboy binds me to him, just as much as if he were my owner and I his slave.

We belong to each other.

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 2:09:34 PM

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I love that ad... 11 times a night. LOL

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RE: can you own a Dominant - 2/6/2010 2:34:07 PM

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something i wrote

The submissive woman the terminator.

A submissive woman’s sexuality is unceasing in it’s appetite and need. That sexual need is there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever.

Most men that think they are dominants don’t understand that simple fact which is why they crash and burn.

That is one of the dumbest things I have ever read in my life.

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