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BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa?


BDSM is a subset of D/s
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D/s is a subset of BDSM
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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 10:58:38 AM   
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BDSM the acronym was coined in the early 1990s.  It's an online creation.  It originally stood for "Bondage, Discipline, Sadism, Masochism," as the links quoted by RcDc confirm. 


I'm terribly sorry but I missed him making such a link, you could point my poor eyes at it?

.. the above is meant to be humble, not sarcastic btw :p

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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 10:59:24 AM   
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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 11:02:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bloodlineS

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I'm afraid your diagram of your view of the groupings is incomplete-you have omitted to mention the Venn Diagram Fetish.


Isn't that a subset of Fetish?



Touche.

And to the.dark.:
quote:

hes too vague to respond to mine...*cries and sobs*


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Lol


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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 11:02:58 AM   
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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 11:04:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

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ORIGINAL: bloodlineS

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Why not just take what you practice in your own life, if you do, and have fun and don't analyze so much!


*grin*










I'm afraid your diagram of your view of the groupings is incomplete-you have omitted to mention the Venn Diagram Fetish.



But...where did the monkey fetish come in?

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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 11:06:00 AM   
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But...where did the monkey fetish come in?


Cmon, everyone loves Monkeys. Some of us really love 'em.

And it's not a Fetish, it's a kink. As clearly shown in the diagram.

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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 11:06:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
And to the.dark.:
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hes too vague to respond to mine...*cries and sobs*


Please do not take my name in vain.
Lol



sniffs*....ok....sowwy...

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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 11:08:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

quote:

ORIGINAL: bloodlineS

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
Why not just take what you practice in your own life, if you do, and have fun and don't analyze so much!


*grin*










I'm afraid your diagram of your view of the groupings is incomplete-you have omitted to mention the Venn Diagram Fetish.



Errr ... but thanks for including the Monkey ... I love looking at kinky pictures that have my wife in them

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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 11:12:30 AM   
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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 11:14:47 AM   
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Again, do you know the source of castlerealm.

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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 11:17:09 AM   
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So whatever you have to say, say here or not at all.


Roger.

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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 11:17:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bloodlineS
I'm terribly sorry but I missed him making such a link, you could point my poor eyes at it?

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3058661

RcDc cited three different verifiable sources there.

By contrast, you are not answering RcDc's question about CastleRealm, so you probably don't know, and don't wish to admit it.  There was a lawsuit against CastleRealm that claimed, among other things, that slave jade never existed, and was a figment of her "master's" imagination.  I haven't heard it resolved, so it's probably dragging on in some court somewhere.  While I don't know any details, I do know that after many years, despite CastleRealm's fame, nobody with a verifiable identity has ever stated publicly that they knew slave jade personally.  Several people have said that friends of theirs knew her -- and we know how frikkin reliable that is.  So that's why you'll find people around here don't have much faith in Castle Realm.


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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 11:22:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bloodlineS

quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1
But...where did the monkey fetish come in?


Cmon, everyone loves Monkeys. Some of us really love 'em.

And it's not a Fetish, it's a kink. As clearly shown in the diagram.



No ... it's a Fetish as well as a Kink (and an Extreme Sport too) ... trust an expert will ya ?

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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 11:23:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bloodlineS

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
But...where did the monkey fetish come in?


Cmon, everyone loves Monkeys. Some of us really love 'em.

And it's not a Fetish, it's a kink. As clearly shown in the diagram.



You are right, I missed that. I thought you were referring to being turned on by Greedy's flying monkey avatar, which was hot, but not as hot as she is, but she sadly took it down.

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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 11:25:12 AM   
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I would absolutely take the medical  journal on it's own, over a miriad of online resources.
My point - going back to castlerealm and the whole jade fiasco is that bloodlines stated

quote:

Links, scans, unrelated commentary.. come on. Something other than "I say so".


Which just seemed kind of ironic seeing as the using castlerealm, even as a laugh, was nothing more than a 'I say so'.  In other words, it's an individuals interpretation.  Something that the OP (apology for talking like you aren't here - not my intention though I know it comes across that way)seems to dismiss... yet embrace.

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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 11:31:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bloodlineS
I'm terribly sorry but I missed him making such a link, you could point my poor eyes at it?

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3058661

RcDc cited three different verifiable sources there.


I did somehow miss him posting that. My abject apologies for doing so.

OK so 3 quotes

1st: Ermine Saner? The guardian writer? I'm not sure I'm accepting that as a good source :)

2nd: Xeromag, now quotes BDSM as the meaning I've been putting forward on their info pages
http://www.xeromag.com/fvbdsm.html#AnchorB1
As for the "clumsy umbrella" article that RDC is quoting, is it this one?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/jul/13/jamiedoward.theobserver
Dated 2008? Seems like bad research from the article writer.

3rd: She isn't attempting to define the acronym BDSM in that quote.. and it actually looks like he misquoted, which is always the danger in making quotes without sources:
RDC said the quote was:
"Our findings support the idea that bondage and discipline and sadomasochism (BDSM) is simply a sexual interest or subculture attractive to a minority,"
However the quotes in the abstraction are:
"Our findings support the idea that BDSM is simply a sexual interest or subculture attractive to a minority"
and
"People with sexual interests in bondage and discipline, "sadomasochism" or dominance and submission (BDSM)"
Link: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/120126317/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

I think RDC's quote probably comes from someone reporting on the survey for a news item.

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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 11:40:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		While I find philology fun, ultimately I don't give a crap about it.  If someone provides concrete evidence that "BDSM" was coined circa 1892, not circa 1992, I am not going to change what I do with my ladyfriend this weekend one bit.

US historical reality is that consensual slavery has been intimately involved with whipping your partner since at least 1945.  (ResidentSadist was talking about this, and the Leather Archives confirms his position in spades.)  US historical reality also includes the fact that most of those Master/slave or Daddy/boy couplings lasted well under a year.  Velcro collars aren't just an online thing.

Bottom line: I plan to do whatever I want.


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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 11:43:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1
While I find philology fun, ultimately I don't give a crap about it.  If someone provides concrete evidence that "BDSM" was coined circa 1892, not circa 1992, I am not going to change what I do with my ladyfriend this weekend one bit.


Good.. :) I'm a little concerned you think anyone was trying to!

The original point was what the acronym means today anyway, not originally. Then it got caught up in someone saying wikis didn't prove anything and was just a recent thing, then myself coming back that the current definition stretches back quite far.

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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 11:50:55 AM   
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The books, yes books gave birth to the pansexual BDSM movement, which is what let all you soft, fluffy, politically correct heterosexuals in the door in the first place. Those books predate your Internet references because the Internet didn’t exist when the gay soldiers came home from a world war with a taste for violent sex, uniforms and the protocols they learned in the military.

Sir . . . yes, sir! That is BDSM and it has nothing to do with D/s no matter how badly the new comers in the D/s world grasp for an identity and longingly look at the “DS” in the middle of BDSM wishing and pretending it has something to do with them. It doesn’t.

You disrespect the soldiers who were the forefathers of BDSM when you try to rewrite history. Trying to accommodate your need for instant information on the net and tapping into sources polluted by the D/s community’s identity crisis won’t change the truth. No matter what this forum pole, wikki, caslerealm.com or AOL chatrooms say about BDSM, you shouldn’t let vanillas rewrite the history of BDSM. Do not erase the memory of the leathermen that made all this possible for you in the first place.

So take the results of this Internet forum pole and file it next to the pics of Elvis working at a 7/11 and the aliens killed Kennedy conspiracy. Most of the BDSM tourists on the internet should be seeking information instead of publishing what they learned yesterday at castlerealm.com while claiming to be experienced after a year or two in the lifestyle. They wouldn’t know BDSM if it gang raped them in a glory hole.





[edit - fixed type-o. ]

< Message edited by ResidentSadist -- 2/10/2010 11:53:47 AM >

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RE: BDSM a subset of D/s or vice versa? - 2/10/2010 11:55:22 AM   
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Sir . . . yes, sir! That is BDSM and it has nothing to do with D/s no matter how badly the new comers in the D/s world grasp for an identity and longingly look at the “DS” in the middle of BDSM wishing and pretending it has something to do with them. It doesn’t.


My issue with that is, how do I know your representation of those facts is correct without something to corroborate? That's all I was .. vaguely interested in.

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