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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 12:37:25 PM   
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Because it just doesn't? Emotions are not required to be logical.

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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 12:43:30 PM   
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*smile* Thanks to everyone for reinforcing what I was already thinking.

If this was someone who just said he wanted to play, I might feel differently.  He says he wants to be Mine.  Of course, he says the right things.

When I said I tend to text more than speak by phone, I meant that in general, not with him.  Clearly I don't have his phone number.  I did tell him that if he wanted to continue this, I would expect him to at a minimum go out and buy a prepaid phone so I have some means of contacting him.

But really, deep down, I know if it seems too good to be true, it probably is.  And when flags come up like this, one ought to heed them.

For those who commented about "demands" of one who is not yours, my question was more along the lines of when should certain things happen?  What would be a red flag?

I think that if you want to be Mine, you probably should be willing to trust me enough to call... unless there is someone else at home.  I may have broken one of my safety rules (and shame on me for that oversight) but I am not going to bring someone into my home who cannot trust me enough to share his phone number.  Realistically,I am not frightened of him... just think he probably has someone else at home.  If I cannot be trusted enough with a number, then how can he trust me to tie him up and do whatever I want?

I think a compromise though, just in case he is real, might be to continue having vanilla dates in public, but no private play time until he can trust me more. 



My red flag is what I made bold and underlined... more than the lack of phone number... I might be wrong but you described a very brief meeting.. yes?  Once.. right?  and he knows he wants to be yours?  Sounds to me like whoever walked into his field of vision that night would work.  Sorry..

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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 12:46:04 PM   
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My red flag is what I made bold and underlined... more than the lack of phone number... I might be wrong but you described a very brief meeting.. yes?  Once.. right?  and he knows he wants to be yours?  Sounds to me like whoever walked into his field of vision that night would work.  Sorry..

This crossed my mind too, but I figured I'd just deal with the phone number.  I agree completely with this post.

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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 12:51:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Madame4a
My red flag is what I made bold and underlined... more than the lack of phone number... I might be wrong but you described a very brief meeting.. yes?  Once.. right?  and he knows he wants to be yours?  Sounds to me like whoever walked into his field of vision that night would work.  Sorry..

This crossed my mind too, but I figured I'd just deal with the phone number.  I agree completely with this post.

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Ok.. so I went back to make sure I had that right... from what I can tell, beyond chatting and online contact, they spent one hour together.  If someone said they wanted to be mine at that point, I'd be changing that number I gave them and blocking their emails.  But hey, that's me.. I'm a dyke.. I have too many crazy exes... ex's ?

now... c'mere Bitch ... *smirk*

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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 1:02:53 PM   
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I'm sort of Amuzed that everybody is on this kick about how he might cause her harm. Come on here, what if the real issue that he's married or has a steady live in girl friend. My God what if he's really a Canibal and he plans on chopping her up and eating her? What if he's one of those "Collector" types and he's making room for her right now in some special set warehouse property. Danger Danger Danger, Will Robison.

My "Conspiracy Theorist" first thoughts are that this guy is probally involved or married. This is far more likely compared to some evil plans to hurt her. Then again, He could chop her up into little yummy treaties and toss her onto the BBQ. Slathered Up Hickory flavored Domme anybody?

Right now, I'm still with the Bunny (myotherself) on this. I'm also with what Miyani posted.


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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 1:05:15 PM   
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Then again, He could chop her up into little yummy treaties and tossing her onto the BBQ. Slathered Up Hickory flavored Domme anybody?



You went there. You had to go there.

Now I have to make sure that Valyraen never sees this thread or he'll rezz the years and years old thread that got him to make an account just to make BBQ jokes...

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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 1:50:34 PM   
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Op:
this reeks of typical HOOK UP shit..."serve my fetish and I am gone" bullshit..
Maybe he does not "RELEASE" his number till he releases...
GM

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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 3:38:35 PM   
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I told him to go buy a prepaid so we can talk if he isn't willing to give me his actual number.

I offered him a compromise, since he says he wants a long term relationship and is just scared, I suggested that we continue meeting at public places and do things together.  That way he can get to know me better in person and decide.  Kinky play will wait until he can trust me enough to at least share a phone number.


If someone rushes out and purchases a prepaid phone so that they don't have to give you their regular number - especially after you have given them your regular number - I would think that would be just as much a red flag as not giving a number in the first place. All a prepaid phone is good for is to contact them with. You said it was a safety issue for you - not a contact issue. From a safety standpoint a prepaid phone is the rough equivalent of a post office box. Of course, if they already have a prepaid phone for these purposes or just to give anyone in general then you're none the wiser, I suppose.

You second paragraph is a great idea.



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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 3:45:00 PM   
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The fact is that not everyone feels comfortable at the same pace. If the op felt comfortable handing out her home number to an absolute stranger, great. That doesn't mean the stranger is therefore obligated to feel the same degree of comfort.

The excuses did sound lame. However the truth could have been worse. What if he had said that the last woman he gave his number to turned out to be absolutely nuts and stalked him and he wasn't giving it to the op till he felt a lot more comfortable? I bet she would have been insulted by that.

However, in general I find that if your compatibility in things like this is as far separate as was here, that indicates a lack of compatibility in personalities as well. If one person always holds back while the other charges ahead, you aren't moving at the same speed and that will be a constant problem.

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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 3:45:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Madame4a

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Madame4a
My red flag is what I made bold and underlined... more than the lack of phone number... I might be wrong but you described a very brief meeting.. yes?  Once.. right?  and he knows he wants to be yours?  Sounds to me like whoever walked into his field of vision that night would work.  Sorry..

This crossed my mind too, but I figured I'd just deal with the phone number.  I agree completely with this post.

-- Madame4a's "me too" Bitch




Ok.. so I went back to make sure I had that right... from what I can tell, beyond chatting and online contact, they spent one hour together.  If someone said they wanted to be mine at that point, I'd be changing that number I gave them and blocking their emails.  But hey, that's me.. I'm a dyke.. I have too many crazy exes... ex's ?

now... c'mere Bitch ... *smirk*


Exactly what I hinted at earlier.  Why on earth would anybody be controlling someone's orgasms after a first meet?  Can't settle enough to want the other to have phone contact information, but owning his cock is all good?  If it's a safety concern on either side, maybe the sexual should come off of the table until they have spent more face to face time than an hour.

My intuition does tell Me that the dude is involved with someone else.  Maybe not a wife, but perhaps a girlfriend. 


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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 5:30:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: Madame4a

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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ORIGINAL: Madame4a
My red flag is what I made bold and underlined... more than the lack of phone number... I might be wrong but you described a very brief meeting.. yes?  Once.. right?  and he knows he wants to be yours?  Sounds to me like whoever walked into his field of vision that night would work.  Sorry..

This crossed my mind too, but I figured I'd just deal with the phone number.  I agree completely with this post.

-- Madame4a's "me too" Bitch




Ok.. so I went back to make sure I had that right... from what I can tell, beyond chatting and online contact, they spent one hour together.  If someone said they wanted to be mine at that point, I'd be changing that number I gave them and blocking their emails.  But hey, that's me.. I'm a dyke.. I have too many crazy exes... ex's ?

now... c'mere Bitch ... *smirk*


Exactly what I hinted at earlier.  Why on earth would anybody be controlling someone's orgasms after a first meet?  Can't settle enough to want the other to have phone contact information, but owning his cock is all good?  If it's a safety concern on either side, maybe the sexual should come off of the table until they have spent more face to face time than an hour.

My intuition does tell Me that the dude is involved with someone else.  Maybe not a wife, but perhaps a girlfriend. 




In Regards to this thought train above.

Personally, I'm questioning how Realistic both sides of the fence are being, and I'm gonna leave it at that.



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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 5:36:55 PM   
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I would not move forward with him... that's just Me, though. 

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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 5:56:19 PM   
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Okay, here's the passive-aggressive way to work this:

Set a playdate with him.  Don't show up.  Give an excuse and tell him that you wanted to call him but weren't able to.  If only you had his number...


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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 6:34:09 PM   
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Okay, here's the passive-aggressive way to work this:

Set a playdate with him.  Don't show up.  Give an excuse and tell him that you wanted to call him but weren't able to.  If only you had his number...



OMFG... I'm laughing my ass off. The scarey part about it...that...that...it would probally work like a charm.

Steven you truely are Dark. Intentional Passive-Agression. (taking notes down in my book).

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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 6:41:45 PM   
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The excuses did sound lame. However the truth could have been worse. What if he had said that the last woman he gave his number to turned out to be absolutely nuts and stalked him and he wasn't giving it to the op till he felt a lot more comfortable? I bet she would have been insulted by that.


That's actually a really good point. In different spot on the Internet, I am constantly pressured for my name and other personal information. Like clockwork, every time I say "I don't want to hand out that because of bad experiences in the past", I get "Why are you blaming me for what someone else did? I'm not them! It's not like I'm asking for *whatever they think is important*."

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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 6:53:16 PM   
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fast reply...

This topic always evokes such strong responses... when to give out what information to whom... I wonder why that is


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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 7:18:50 PM   
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This topic always evokes such strong responses... when to give out what information to whom... I wonder why that is.


People have different protocols regarding what information they will give out and when they will give it out and to whom. No right or wrong - just different ways of doing it. The reason it evokes such strong responses is that we as human beings often make choices because we think they are the right choice and sometimes lose sight of the fact that they might not be the right choice for everyone. The "kick him to the curb because that is what I would do" syndrome. Offering credence to someone else's different choice dilutes the "rightness" of the choice for you, in some folks' minds. At least that's my opinion on it.




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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 7:22:05 PM   
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Why on earth would anybody be controlling someone's orgasms after a first meet?


LOL To answer that question: Why on earth would someone play with someone they just met?  People do things all the time.  I started the control BEFORE meeting him.  I didn't say oh wow, meet once, now I will control.  There was some control going on before we ever sat down face to face.  This is an area that I personally have a high degree of interest in... and someone who is right for me will too.  I'm sorry but I really am feeling a bit judged here.

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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 7:30:33 PM   
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The reason it evokes such strong responses is that we as human beings often make choices because we think they are the right choice and sometimes lose sight of the fact that they might not be the right choice for everyone. The "kick him to the curb because that is what I would do" syndrome. Offering credence to someone else's different choice dilutes the "rightness" of the choice for you, in some folks' minds. At least that's my opinion on it.


In the past I posted the protocol that we had when we met... which he was very adamant about how that should take place to insure my safety. A lot of people thought it was over the top, the amount of info he gave me... but it was his choice and his idea after all...  If he had lived closer and we both went away from the first meet I am sure he would not have handed me his driver's license number, registration, and license plate and have me phone them to two people... but that is the way he did it because if we wanted to be alone, then he wanted me to have that info... 4 months talking on the phone (landlines), it felt right to be alone with him and to play with him the first time we met, it took him several hours to drive up to see me, and at the time he was working 6 to 7 days a week.


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RE: Disclosure of Private Information - 2/10/2010 9:46:39 PM   
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Why on earth would anybody be controlling someone's orgasms after a first meet?


LOL To answer that question: Why on earth would someone play with someone they just met?  People do things all the time.  I started the control BEFORE meeting him.  I didn't say oh wow, meet once, now I will control.  There was some control going on before we ever sat down face to face.  This is an area that I personally have a high degree of interest in... and someone who is right for me will too.  I'm sorry but I really am feeling a bit judged here.


It's a good question.  I suppose it has a great deal to do with the fact that I don't see casual S/m quite as on the same level of intimacy as those types of play (denial, for example) with are physically sexually related.  I tend to categorize those things which involve those type of intimacy to be more things that go with long standing relationships.  I see play and sex as entirely different things.  A pain scene doesn't necessarily have anything to do with sex for either party.

Even in cases of just play, casual play partners do not come to My home.  Especially if I don't know them very well.  By knowing them well, I mean that I have some background on them (their own name, address, phone number, etc) before I'm willing to allow them into My home.

I have always felt that the safer route was public venues.  Not only are there staff members available to DM during the play, I don't have to have any concerns about My safety or My property after the scene is over.  To each their own.


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