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Thanks for your response! But I guess, does that sub then become another 'type' of sub and not a service sub?

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Those who think that people do service without any gain are fooling themselves.  That gain may be some intangible and may even be an unconscious desire of the person serving but it is there somewhere.

Which is why service is so often short lived.  People think they need nothing, perhaps get nothing, and then burn out.  Or have a hidden expectation and when it goes unfulfilled, they get bitter and lash out at worse, or again, lose interest and wander off.

In the public scene, lots of people do "service" seemingly without reward.  Most are doing it as a form of "resume padding" and their payment is status.  I once asked on a larger more real life forum for stories from people who had done service at that level over a year previously for positive experiences and while most felt they learned things from doing so, few had glowing memories of the time.

I have long resisted having anyone in service to me but I am exploring a lot of new ground and have someone in service to me and it has been a very interesting experience and has allowed me to explore sexual and kink realms that I haven't done before in ways that are new to me.  She gets to be in my presence (some might see that as punishment but she doesn't), status, and various other things.  She doesn't get orgasms, she serves as my toy rack while I play with others, cleans up when I am done with someone, and in general enhances my enjoyment.

I am a big believer in clarity.  You want something from me, be up front and you might get it.  Contracts can help, talking can help, but without self awareness, it is all just an exercise in futility.  I am not big on passive aggressive forms of communication, you want something, ask and you just might get it.

Oh, and one last thing.  Punishments?  I don't need a service slave in my life, if I have to spend my time punishing you, I am going to find something better to do with my time.

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Anyone out there want to touch my shit?

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Anyone out there want to touch my shit?

If only you could email it

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ORIGINAL: specialk2611

You are all awesome, thanks for your responses, I read each and every one of them intently.

It is actually interesting to learn that perhaps that notion of totally altruistic service probably doesn't exist, that would make sense, it's just that perhaps some people say 'service is it's own reward truely and don't need anything else' on their profile as to say what they think is expected.

I have read other threads elsewhere, where Domme's ask 'what do you want in return', which at the time sounded odd, but also makes sense now.

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ORIGINAL: specialk2611

I have read other threads elsewhere, where Domme's ask 'what do you want in return', which at the time sounded odd, but also makes sense now.