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kittinSol -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 4:18:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied
I think that embracing atheism is against the norm... 


That depends on where you are, it's quite normal around here.

"It could be culture, cold weather or the educational level of its residents, but New Hampshire ranks at or near the bottom of the 50 states on questions of religious faith.....That 54 percent result tied New Hampshire with neighboring Vermont for dead last on the poll’s question of faith in a higher power." http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/500878-196/poll-ranks-nh-low-on-matters-of.html


Precisely why I was able to move my euroass over to NH, but would have stalled at Alabama, Arkansas or *shudder* Mississippi.




kittinSol -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 4:21:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan
Seems like a more subtle version of europeans are smarter and have bigger cities because it was cold where they lived rather than grass huts in sub-saharan environments.


I'm not buying this, seems like there wasn't any racism in the study until you added it.


Conservatives think that putting a blatant spin on things makes them smart [8|] .




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 4:22:13 PM)

Yeah but other states were intelligent enough to come up with an original name for a state.[:D]




kittinSol -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 4:26:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Yeah but other states were intelligent enough to come up with an original name for a state.[:D]


The one really weird thing here in New Hampshire is that it's so fucking white. I've never lived anywhere in my life that was so monochromatic. It's bizarre for someone who's lived in some of the most multicultural cities on the planet. I feel out of place...

I feel the immigrant's complaint coming on.




domiguy -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 4:26:59 PM)

and then there is this... http://sciencecommunity.com/DomiguyIndustriesIntelligenceresearch.com

We, at Domiguy Industries, have long researched the connection between liberalism and possessing a higher intelligence.

We reviewed the works of Satoshi Kanazawa and were deeply disturbed by our findings. These are the findings posted by Kanazawa...


Young adults who identify themselves as "not at all religious" have an average IQ of 103
during adolescence, while those who identify themselves as "very religious" have an average
IQ of 97 during adolescence.

He calculated that there is only a 6 point difference in the respected IQ's of those young adults that participated in the study, and he was correct in those findings.

What Kanawaza failed to take into account was that his research was based solely on the intelligence and the IQ's of "young adults." He never took into consideration the long term effects on intelligence or one's IQ when the brain is continually bombarded by right wing political and religious messages over a period of several years or even decades.

We, at Domiguy Industries, decided to track the intelligence of a nonreligious liberal minded person and compare it to that of a politically conservative and Christian individual over time.

In young adults we found the same 6 point differential as reported in the Kanazawa study. But just after one additional year of watching Fox along with participating in any fundamentally Christian based religion those numbers had nearly doubled to an 11 point margin.

The results were even more staggering if we follow the test group over an additional decade. While the liberal test group seemed to be an overly intelligent, well rounded group, with a diverse range of interests as well as an accurate interpretation of the world that surrounds them the conservative test group paled in comparison .

After just ten years of being continually subjected to an overall conservative philosophy, politically and religious, this test group had reached the intelligent equivalence of that of the sea sponge. Many joined the Priesthood only to become pedophiles while the others were imprisoned by whatever ideology their favorite talking head spewed forth. They all showed similar signs and traits usually attributed to those suffering from an advanced cognitive disorder.

At this point, we concluded our study for two reasons...First off, we felt that after analyzing all of the data and information obtained, our findings were irrefutable in their ultimate conclusion. Lastly, and most importantly, it was just simply too much of a buzz kill to hang around those conservative fucks any longer.


I hope this helps to further the conversation.






SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 4:30:33 PM)

I'll let Nick Griffin know he has a new home away from home, then perhaps he'll leave here (I can hope).




kittinSol -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 4:38:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

I'll let Nick Griffin know he has a new home away from home, then perhaps he'll leave here (I can hope).



Tell him to eff off to Siberia. It's nice and white over there.




Musicmystery -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Fin (2/25/2010 4:47:23 PM)

Now, folks, ya see---?

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

and then there is this... http://sciencecommunity.com/DomiguyIndustriesIntelligenceresearch.com

We, at Domiguy Industries, have long researched the connection between liberalism and possessing a higher intelligence.

We reviewed the works of Satoshi Kanazawa and were deeply disturbed by our findings. These are the findings posted by Kanazawa...


Young adults who identify themselves as "not at all religious" have an average IQ of 103
during adolescence, while those who identify themselves as "very religious" have an average
IQ of 97 during adolescence.

He calculated that there is only a 6 point difference in the respected IQ's of those young adults that participated in the study, and he was correct in those findings.

What Kanawaza failed to take into account was that his research was based solely on the intelligence and the IQ's of "young adults." He never took into consideration the long term effects on intelligence or one's IQ when the brain is continually bombarded by right wing political and religious messages over a period of several years or even decades.

We, at Domiguy Industries, decided to track the intelligence of a nonreligious liberal minded person and compare it to that of a politically conservative and Christian individual over time.

In young adults we found the same 6 point differential as reported in the Kanazawa study. But just after one additional year of watching Fox along with participating in any fundamentally Christian based religion those numbers had nearly doubled to an 11 point margin.

The results were even more staggering if we follow the test group over an additional decade. While the liberal test group seemed to be an overly intelligent, well rounded group, with a diverse range of interests as well as an accurate interpretation of the world that surrounds them the conservative test group paled in comparison .

After just ten years of being continually subjected to an overall conservative philosophy, politically and religious, this test group had reached the intelligent equivalence of that of the sea sponge. Many joined the Priesthood only to become pedophiles while the others were imprisoned by whatever ideology their favorite talking head spewed forth. They all showed similar signs and traits usually attributed to those suffering from an advanced cognitive disorder.

At this point, we concluded our study for two reasons...First off, we felt that after analyzing all of the data and information obtained, our findings were irrefutable in their ultimate conclusion. Lastly, and most importantly, it was just simply too much of a buzz kill to hang around those conservative fucks any longer.


I hope this helps to further the conversation.



Methodology. Clearly laid out.

I'm not even joking. Domi's study allows one to examine his findings and the reasons for them. The article posts conclusions with no justification given for their existence.

And from this abstract, I'd expect the study to relay how they collected and interpreted the data. The article's study gives an abstract that indicates an unstudied assumption to reach unsupported conclusions from its otherwise probably fine data.

Tune in again tomorrow for more of -- Dr. Domi and the Dirt on Data.






NeedToUseYou -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 5:09:43 PM)

I would need to read the whole study I suppose.

As what is a conservative, when used as a single word to encompass a person.

I'm a fiscal conservative, agnostic, socially liberal (interactions, both personal and government to individual), socially conservative (welfare), anti-military, pro-choice (socially), pro-life (personally), pro green economy male.

Am I a conservative...... does the term even mean anything really. In a economic discussion I would be. In a gay rights thread I'd be viewed as a liberal moreso than a conservative. In a religious thread I'd be heathen to the religious, and possible coward to the atheist. In a Military discussion I'd side with the hippies.








thornhappy -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 5:34:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
There was a time we were the only major power virtually unscathed by WW II and we were the only one with the bomb. To go from there to total world domination would have been a cakewalk.

We didn't have any bombs soon after WWII.  We had some isolated parts, but it took awhile for real production of bombs to take place.




DarlingSavage -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 5:43:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

and then there is this... http://sciencecommunity.com/DomiguyIndustriesIntelligenceresearch.com

We, at Domiguy Industries, have long researched the connection between liberalism and possessing a higher intelligence.

We reviewed the works of Satoshi Kanazawa and were deeply disturbed by our findings. These are the findings posted by Kanazawa...


Young adults who identify themselves as "not at all religious" have an average IQ of 103
during adolescence, while those who identify themselves as "very religious" have an average
IQ of 97 during adolescence.

He calculated that there is only a 6 point difference in the respected IQ's of those young adults that participated in the study, and he was correct in those findings.

What Kanawaza failed to take into account was that his research was based solely on the intelligence and the IQ's of "young adults." He never took into consideration the long term effects on intelligence or one's IQ when the brain is continually bombarded by right wing political and religious messages over a period of several years or even decades.

We, at Domiguy Industries, decided to track the intelligence of a nonreligious liberal minded person and compare it to that of a politically conservative and Christian individual over time.

In young adults we found the same 6 point differential as reported in the Kanazawa study. But just after one additional year of watching Fox along with participating in any fundamentally Christian based religion those numbers had nearly doubled to an 11 point margin.

The results were even more staggering if we follow the test group over an additional decade. While the liberal test group seemed to be an overly intelligent, well rounded group, with a diverse range of interests as well as an accurate interpretation of the world that surrounds them the conservative test group paled in comparison .

After just ten years of being continually subjected to an overall conservative philosophy, politically and religious, this test group had reached the intelligent equivalence of that of the sea sponge. Many joined the Priesthood only to become pedophiles while the others were imprisoned by whatever ideology their favorite talking head spewed forth. They all showed similar signs and traits usually attributed to those suffering from an advanced cognitive disorder.

At this point, we concluded our study for two reasons...First off, we felt that after analyzing all of the data and information obtained, our findings were irrefutable in their ultimate conclusion. Lastly, and most importantly, it was just simply too much of a buzz kill to hang around those conservative fucks any longer.


I hope this helps to further the conversation.





I thought it would be interesting to collect data on political affiliation by county in TX, as there are over 200 counties in this state, then collecting average IQ, oh, dear, never mind. I just saw the redundancy of doing this. Ok, possibly at state level, we could see if there is a strong, significant correlation between political affiliation and IQ. It's my hypothesis that we will find higher IQs in blue states than in red states.

However, I think it would be far more telling if we could get individual level data and interpolate it!




Musicmystery -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Fin (2/25/2010 6:49:07 PM)

We do know that cities tend more Democratic and rural areas tend more Republican, if that helps.




Level -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Fin (2/25/2010 7:11:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

There's plenty of left leaning religious people... The Levellers...


That's where I got my first (and still current) email addy, and my online nic.




kdsub -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 7:19:24 PM)

The bottom line was we never thought to or desired to dominate the world...Remember just a few years later we fought another war with even less incentive. With the same generation...It was not exhaustion that stopped us.

Butch




Musicmystery -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Fin (2/25/2010 7:31:44 PM)

Butch,

Some reading for you.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=The+U.S.+empire&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8




juliaoceania -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 7:45:06 PM)

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At this point, we concluded our study for two reasons...First off, we felt that after analyzing all of the data and information obtained, our findings were irrefutable in their ultimate conclusion. Lastly, and most importantly, it was just simply too much of a buzz kill to hang around those conservative fucks any longer.



I would think that the ethics involved in such a study would be  another reason to discontinue the research, after all, knowing the terrible impacts that conservative theological ideology has on the developing minds of adolescents, and not taking proactive steps to stop it, well that is like handing cigarettes to minors if you ask me, or at the very least supplying them the lighters




Musicmystery -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Fin (2/25/2010 7:48:05 PM)

No, no. They can have cigarettes. They can have guns. They just can't use condoms.




kdsub -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Fin (2/25/2010 7:58:02 PM)

I saw the name Buchanan and I lost all desire...[:-]




LadyAngelika -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Fin (2/25/2010 8:06:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika




Historically, and even to this day, there have been more crimes commited and innocent lives taken in the name of Christianity than in any other religion or cause. That is not my opinion, that is historical fact.

I am not a historian, but I am a relatively well read person and tend to check my facts before I write.




Prove it


Well I gave you a few good starting point in my reply. In fact, It is a pretty well accepted fact amongst historians.

You can go here and do a little math: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm

Or you can take a general history course at your local college.

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But you miss my point...I am not defending religion or the history of the US... I am saying… if the premise of this thread is true.... then intelligence has little to do with what is important in this world. I stated facts…the US is a majority Christian country… The US is and has been the most powerful country ever to grace this earth. It has nothing to do with pride in country or religion…


A few others addressed this misconception in this thread so I won't go into it too much.

But you know, I did find something very interesting about your powerful country. Notice how the US is the ONLY Western country that kills its convicts in the name of God and some higher justice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment - This is actually a well documented entry so I have no problems using it as a reference.

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Just the facts madam.


Not quite.

- LA




LadyAngelika -> RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have Values Novel in Human Evol. History, Study Finds (2/25/2010 8:09:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

What's with the thread jacking?

Signed, A Highly Intelligent Atheist.


Maybe it is a way to offer support to the research? ;-)

- LA




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