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WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/2/2010 9:58:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kushiels

LOL, mhmm, somehow, I doubt it will. [sm=seesaw.gif]


HEY!  Get outamyhead woman!




juliaoceania -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/2/2010 10:09:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

I sure the hell didnt take it as a joke. especially, when combined with all the other attacks on his character.

Fine well just see what the concensus is tomorrow. I said My bit.


I am beginning to wonder if you and the OP are the same person... it just seems like you are taking everything on this thread personally when it doesn't read personal to me at all... and the one post you made about the "Two Dom" test... that was mocking the people that threw the party, not the OPer




Bodhisatva -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/2/2010 10:17:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

I sure the hell didnt take it as a joke. especially, when combined with all the other attacks on his character.

Fine well just see what the concensus is tomorrow. I said My bit.


I am beginning to wonder if you and the OP are the same person... it just seems like you are taking everything on this thread personally when it doesn't read personal to me at all... and the one post you made about the "Two Dom" test... that was mocking the people that threw the party, not the OPer



Right, anyone who doesn't share your view that I should be mocked could only turn out to be me. What's wrong? Still upset because you couldn't make a coherent argument earlier?




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/2/2010 10:28:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

So this is like roast the newbie show? That's what you want Me to believe? What a load of crap.


I actually missed this part, so I'm addressing it late but -

I never once implied that I thought this was a roast the newbie show.  Espcially since I happen to disagree with your assessment there.

A question was asked - I answered it.
You made a statement about someone's intent that I disagreed with it.

I never once said anything disparaging about anyone.  Newbie or otherwise.  Frankly, I think the term NEWBIE is offensive - and more insulting than anything anyone else said on this thread.







juliaoceania -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/2/2010 10:36:58 PM)

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Right, anyone who doesn't share your view that I should be mocked could only turn out to be me. What's wrong? Still upset because you couldn't make a coherent argument earlier?


You may not be the same person, but you post like the same person...


As far as "coherent" argument... I wasn't arguing.. I offered what is called an "opinion" based upon how I live my life. You asked for opinions, and I gave mine. I did not mock you. I did not insult you. I asked you questions... some of which you never answered really.. Here is the thing.. you want to go around feeling disrespected, offended, bent out of shape and emotionally attached to an event that happened a few years ago... go right ahead, I certainly wouldn't want to stand in your way. On the other hand, who suffers from that approach? The host of your party? No. Me? No. The only person who has had discomfort through all this is YOU. You are the one that had a rotten evening. You are the one that allowed yourself to feel disrespected when your host most likely had no intention of disrespecting you. You are the one that is still thinking about this years later...

Now if my way of living is incoherent, I am okay with that. I am not the one making threads about events that happened years ago. In fact, if it were me, I would have forgotten about it completely, unless I wanted to relate an odd anecdote to a conversation... at least I might have gotten an interesting cocktail party story out of it if nothing else[:D]

Whenever I would hold on to something petty like this my mom would say to me "And what exactly is that doing for you?"

I finally got what she was saying....

Whether you get that or not is up to you, I am not emotionally involved in your life.




Bodhisatva -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/2/2010 10:43:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Right, anyone who doesn't share your view that I should be mocked could only turn out to be me. What's wrong? Still upset because you couldn't make a coherent argument earlier?


You may not be the same person, but you post like the same person...


As far as "coherent" argument... I wasn't arguing.. I offered what is called an "opinion" based upon how I live my life. You asked for opinions, and I gave mine. I did not mock you. I did not insult you. I asked you questions... some of which you never answered really.. Here is the thing.. you want to go around feeling disrespected, offended, bent out of shape and emotionally attached to an event that happened a few years ago... go right ahead, I certainly wouldn't want to stand in your way. On the other hand, who suffers from that approach? The host of your party? No. Me? No. The only person who has had discomfort through all this is YOU. You are the one that had a rotten evening. You are the one that allowed yourself to feel disrespected when your host most likely had no intention of disrespecting you. You are the one that is still thinking about this years later...

Now if my way of living is incoherent, I am okay with that. I am not the one making threads about events that happened years ago. In fact, if it were me, I would have forgotten about it completely, unless I wanted to relate an odd anecdote to a conversation... at least I might have gotten an interesting cocktail party story out of it if nothing else[:D]

Whenever I would hold on to something petty like this my mom would say to me "And what exactly is that doing for you?"

I finally got what she was saying....

Whether you get that or not is up to you, I am not emotionally involved in your life.



You suggested another poster and I were the same person because he mocked the hosts rather than me, get off your high horse. And for someone who's not emotionally involved in my life your taking an odd amount of time to write me snippy little responces.




PrimalConsonance -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/2/2010 10:53:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bodhisatva

I went to a play party a few years ago. It was announced only after it had began that all in attendance were expected to pick a role from a hat, all of them having a submissive angle to them, such as not being able to talk without permission. I naturally left, more than a little annoyed that my evening had been waisted. I thought this was very disrespectful and a stipulation like that should have been made when the invites to the party were sent out, but is that just par for the course? Do you thiink this that kind of thing's just to be expected in this lifestyle?


It sounds like someone had an idea for a party game that wasn't well thought-out.  The assumption that everyone would go with the little game, is the problem it seems, or at least the delivery or pitch for this game to the masses of the party population.  Just a question:  were you the only one upset and left after this announcement?  The only disrespect I would see, would be if the host/hostess insisted where if you wanted to stay at this event, you'd have to stay within this assigned role.  Other than that, it just seems half-baked. 




juliaoceania -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/2/2010 10:57:07 PM)

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You suggested another poster and I were the same person because he mocked the hosts rather than me, get off your high horse. And for someone who's not emotionally involved in my life your taking an odd amount of time to write me snippy little responces.


My response to Lorenzo was rather snippy... he was attacking people on this thread for joking with you, in a way that mocked your host and not you. And I found his response to what was on this thread to be very emotionally involved for no apparent reason... no one was ridiculing you, they were just offering opinions and you had asked for those opinions... so where is the attack in that?

I have not been snippy to you once. You asked me on a couple of occasions to clarify my response. I gave my honest clarifications. If anyone is  being mocked here, it is me. You are the one who has insulted me, the way I live my life, my philosophy on life. You have called me "incoherent"

That's okay.... I am a big girl and it doesn't bother me, in fact I rather enjoy posting on this topic because I truly believe in what I am posting about... that we chose how to feel about what happens to us. We may have an initial reaction inside to unpleasant things, but how we think about it determines how we feel about it. It truly is my key to happiness, and I post quite often on the topic of emotional responsibility...

So, I am not tied to you emotionally, I am tied to the subject though... happily and joyfully so.






Missokyst -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/2/2010 11:13:54 PM)

Wow... what are you seeing? Ripping him a new one? He asked if people thought it was disrespectful and people gave their opinions. Since when does that equate to ripping him a new one? Is the newest PC trait that we must agree, pat people on the back and weep with them when they are affronted.. YEARS LATER?


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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

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Someone who creates a new profile, and, on the very first day of its existence, makes a baiting Opening Post in Politics and Religion, is not a "newbie." It's the fingerprint of someone well versed in the site, who decided to start a new name because he got the old one dirty somehow
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If that is true then attack him for that. But that is probably off topic so you cant. There is no excuse for what happened.





Bodhisatva -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/2/2010 11:15:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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You suggested another poster and I were the same person because he mocked the hosts rather than me, get off your high horse. And for someone who's not emotionally involved in my life your taking an odd amount of time to write me snippy little responces.


My response to Lorenzo was rather snippy... he was attacking people on this thread for joking with you, in a way that mocked your host and not you. And I found his response to what was on this thread to be very emotionally involved for no apparent reason... no one was ridiculing you, they were just offering opinions and you had asked for those opinions... so where is the attack in that?

I have not been snippy to you once. You asked me on a couple of occasions to clarify my response. I gave my honest clarifications. If anyone is  being mocked here, it is me. You are the one who has insulted me, the way I live my life, my philosophy on life. You have called me "incoherent"

That's okay.... I am a big girl and it doesn't bother me, in fact I rather enjoy posting on this topic because I truly believe in what I am posting about... that we chose how to feel about what happens to us. We may have an initial reaction inside to unpleasant things, but how we think about it determines how we feel about it. It truly is my key to happiness, and I post quite often on the topic of emotional responsibility...

So, I am not tied to you emotionally, I am tied to the subject though... happily and joyfully so.


I wasn't even a part of that argument you had with Lorenzo in which you said we must be the same person, based on the fact that he wasn't mocking me. I came in at the end of that, and it did involved me. Oh but yeah it was directed at lorenzo so in your mind I guess that doesn't count. Silly me.

Look you gave your opinion, we discussed it, I thanked you for your imput several pages back and concluded that I didn't think we'd see eye to eye on that. Yet we're still going back and forth. Is it still just offering an opinion, as you claim, when you continue pushing it long after resolution?

Edit: And no, I didn't think things were as bad as lorenzo indicated they were either, but still it's nice to know someone is willing to stick their neck out for an overwellmed novice.




wandersalone -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/2/2010 11:39:51 PM)

OP did you ever contact the organisers to ask them why they made the rules such that everyone had to either participate or leave?

As others have said it seems a little bewildering to me that something from  a number of years ago is still playing on your mind.






WyldHrt -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/3/2010 2:07:49 AM)

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It started out as a party game ice-breaker. and turned into a test which he FAILED.
Come on people. That was a vicious attack.

Hardly. If you read the whole thing, it should have been rather obvious that it was a joke. The words "Twoo-Domly-Dom"  were a rather big clue that MSLA was kidding.

As for the rest, I didn't see anyone ganging up on the OP. Yes, there was a bit of random snark here and there, but the newbie roast you describe just didn't happen. Some posters disagreed with him, so what? It's a discussion forum, and one that would wither and die if everyone agreed on everything regarding WIITWD.




WyldHrt -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/3/2010 2:16:25 AM)

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Edit: And no, I didn't think things were as bad as lorenzo indicated they were either, but still it's nice to know someone is willing to stick their neck out for an overwellmed novice.

I honestly have no idea why you would feel overwhelmed. You asked a question, and people are answering it. Many of them do not agree with you, which is what happens when you post on a message board.

BTW- you laid some quality snark on folks who were simply answering your question. When you do that, you are rather inviting others to reply in kind. 




SweetNika -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/3/2010 3:48:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bodhisatva

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ORIGINAL: SweetNika

I think people are to easily offended these days and this is a prime example IMO. I have done a similiar game at a private party that I hosted but it included both dominant and submissive traits. It wasn't meant as disrespectful. There was no prior warning to my guests. Those that wanted to participate did and I wasn't offended if they didn't. Everyone did and it was hilarious. I have been to parties that had themes or group games that were hosted by others, making a scene that you didn't like it is disrespectful to me. Either quitely opt out or leave don't make a federal case over it (especially YEARS later). If you were truly offended by it take it up with the host privately at a later time.






I take it you haven't been following the thread at all.



Actually I did read the ENTIRE thread not that it changes MY opinion or answer to the op. I think the op got his panties in a bunch over a simple party game and really needs to relax if it still bothers him YEARS later.




SweetNika -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/3/2010 3:53:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

Ok. You all ripped the newbie a new asshole. You all had your red meat. Time to back off.

It's just pathetic how you people treat newbies.


Lorenzo where were the attacks on the OP infact he is the snarky and rude on IMO. Lol View points vary I suppose you have yours and I have mine.




AquaticSub -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/3/2010 4:25:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

Oh yeah the smiley face makes it all ok? say any thing you want and the smiley face makes it ok. Wrong.


No. But sometimes people around here actually *gasp* make jokes and use playful kidding instead of insults and attacks. If you want to be so literal and take everything at EXACTLY face value, you insulted me and everyone else on the thread who responded calmly by saying that we all roasted the OP.

Jerk.




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/3/2010 5:41:40 AM)

This ain't a lifestyle issue, it's a people issue. While I don't know the group or whoever put on the party. It may be acceptable by the group or not. If they engage in this kind of behavior, and you don't like. Express so or whatever else. Move on your way to a different group of people.

This ain't a lifestyle issue.




Madame4a -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/3/2010 6:19:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

I sure the hell didnt take it as a joke. especially, when combined with all the other attacks on his character.

Fine well just see what the concensus is tomorrow. I said My bit.


What attacks on his character?  Does anyone know him?  I'm guessing it would be really hard to attack someone's character without a lot of knowledge.  Most people commented on his words, myself included.  Many of us disagreed.

There is no tone or body language in this forum -- I wouldn't read too much into things without those clues as well.




juliaoceania -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/3/2010 8:36:58 AM)

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I thanked you for your imput several pages back and concluded that I didn't think we'd see eye to eye on that. Yet we're still going back and forth. Is it still just offering an opinion, as you claim, when you continue pushing it long after resolution?


Here dude, you asked for clarification on my "philosophy", Post 17


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In one portion your saying you choose how to respond to your feelings, but the last sentance you say no one else can make you feel anything. Seems a little contradictory. Which is it? You choose how to repsond to your feelings or you choose what you feel? Or both? Either way, I don't think you and I share the same philisophical view in this area, but thank you very much for sharing your opinion on the topic.


If you did not want to continue the dialogue, don't ask further questions, okay?


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Edit: And no, I didn't think things were as bad as lorenzo indicated they were either, but still it's nice to know someone is willing to stick their neck out for an overwellmed novice.


Overwhelmed by forums or by BDSM parties, or both? Most people your age know how internet forums work. I thought you had been in the lifestyle a couple of years?  You have been to more BDSM parties than I have been to.... not that it matters though. No one here has been unfair to you




Jeffff -> RE: Is this as disrespectful as I think it is? (3/3/2010 8:39:47 AM)

Ok who needs a hug!

~smiles~


Jeff




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