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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

Guns and religion built this country, and if people who believe in limited government, limited gov spending, limited taxes, and limited government intrusion scare you; then perhaps you would feel more comfortable working for Chavez.

I for one, would rather see the average citizen carrying guns than the government, since ultimately, we only have ourselves to depend on.

Just a short 20 years ago, people were still driving around with shotguns in the back of their pickup windows, and we rarely had any major gun incidents. On top of that the Constitution spells out quite clearly that what you call right wing extremists, are actually the only people standing between tyranny, and freedom. Can you imagine what Obama would do if America just bowed down to him, and his quest to rewrite the Constitution. It's terrifying to even think about it, since he obviously would completely eliminate our right to self defense, he would erase our borders, and he would spend us into oblivion until we were so bad off, that Chavez would even look good to us. This is the democratic strategy now. Destroy capitalism, and the only choice America will have is to vote for people who claim they can save them. In reality, they are only getting you in deeper and deeper.

http://babelishere.webs.com/guncontrol.html

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

For the democrats running in November, the recent elections in New Jersey, Virginia and Massachusetts will be a constant reminder that the tea bag movement is indeed real.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


You'll find fringe people hanging on to anything, and when you are the fringe on the other side, Animus, if you open your eyes you'll see that you're steeped in the confirmation bias that FirmhandKy talks about on occasion.

You feel like you have to go on and on about how the people disagree with Obama are so awful, but you're being hyper sensitive about that, given the way Bush was treated. A little bit of rubbing Obama's face in the same doggy doo that you reveled in rubbing Bush's face in is to be expected.

Turnabout, and all that. Thats just part of the game. But these deficits... they're a different matter, aren't they. Obama himself pays lip service to reducing them. Hillary, as I've laid out earlier, has acknowledged how dangerous they are.

Really, the Tea Parties aren't about joker posters or who did what first, fundamentally this movement is the real deal. Even Pelosi is making noises which would suggest that  she's trying to climb on board with it.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/02/pelosi-and-the-tea-party-share-views.html

Its not a fad, its picking up steam, and while it has its fringes just like everything else this movement is fully in the mainstream.

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ORIGINAL: Blackburn

fr to the op

Both parties scare me. Not because of their ideals - both espouse some pretty awesome stuff - but because of their practices. The futility of these debates is oft based on the vast chasm that separates ideals and results for both parties.

The examples are unending, but consider that Republicans have been barking about fiscal responsibility while proposing some of the biggest deficit budgets in history, and the Democrats have been yakking about peace and flowers while effectively increasing our military commitments. These things are simply true. We whine like little girls, making excuses for this and that, but for fuck's sake: RESULTS ARE RESULTS. PERIOD. To believe that your ideals are genuinely represented by either party is the height of lunacy.

These dorky threads go nowhere because both sides artlessly pit their ideals against the other side's results. Not fair. If you pit one side's results against the other side's, you will find a fundamental truth: politicians are, well, politicians and therefore unworthy of our trust. And how do I know this? Because it is pretty damn hard to see a whole lot of difference between the results. And the latest great 25 year business cycle has peaked and is coming to a horrifying end, resulting in greater discontent.

My greatest fear, however, is that the media is becoming increasingly polarized, as well. They have always made a living through a certain amount of fear mongering, but with lower standards of living begetting general unrest, we are beginning to see more hate mongering as well. That is a slippery slope, my friends. That is the path of African civil wars, fueled by hate-filled media. Ok, we aren't anywhere near that now. But our tolerance of media that preys on our fears and dissatisfaction rather than promotes a civilized solution is a poor reflection on our lowered ethical standards.

My 2 cents.

As Bob Hope would say...

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solemnly vowing to resist an illegal order.....that has not been given

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Hey, 14 months in and still not one reported assassination attempt on President Obama -- I think that's progress for the US. Either that or the Secret Service is nipping shit in the bud.

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

From what I can see, the overwhelming majority of these militias are pretty harmless. Most seem to be just guys dressing up in camo and playing warrior for a weekend. Overwhelmingly they seem more talk and bluster than action.

I say this because they don't seem to have any purpose for existance, other than to resist a threat that doesn't yet exist.

Like the Oathkeepers, solemnly vowing to resist an illegal order.....that has not been given, and that no one is contemplating. But they gather and promise to get all tough " ifn' Obama ever orders Granma into that FEMA camp."

Maybe they are planning to light their underwear on fire or something, I don't know.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Yeah, I heard some clown on Bill O (said clown quite possibly being of the SPLC ilk) complaining about rightwing hate groups. He specifically mentioned a group called "Oath Keepers", said they were really bad, dangerous types. Bill O said he'd call them, offer them a chance to come on the show. Guy who founded the group came on the next night, ate Bill O's lunch. Dude cost me $30.
Which is what I paid to join the next day.

"Guy who founded the group" is a well-known right wing whack job.  He has a long history of involvement with militia movements.

What's interesting though is their bi-partisan claims, even though they were just founded last march and many of their "oaths" have a direct correlation with other nutcase anti-Obama propaganda like FEMA concentration camps, seizing guns, and the New World Order.

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ORIGINAL: MrMister
I can think of two instances where there were illegal orders carried out by people who have sworn an oath to our Constitution. 1) The aftermath of hurricane Katrina in the confiscation of guns. 2)The round up and internment of Japanese people living in the US during WWII.