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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/11/2010 4:43:20 AM   
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My issue with the opening post is the ridiculing of belief systems that you do not subscribe to...this comment....
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Maybe this answers why we can't get anything done in this country.

After all, it's not really our responsibility.



...rather condescending and closed minded of you... you want tolerance from others and yet refuse to offer any of your own... not even an attempt to understand how other people believe or feel or how they interpret the world.. which says more about you than the content of their beliefs....


No, I think it actually says a lot about those people who base their lives on what they feel and believe instead of what they can confirm and substantiate.

Which is their own business, and I have no problem with anyone's religious beliefs.

Where I find a problem is when those religious beliefs have such a profound impact on public policy and thereby an impact on those who do not share those beliefs.

Whether it is through apathy by believing that God will handle everything or by someone believing their opinions and actions are correct because it is God's will. 



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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/11/2010 4:44:05 AM   
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I've had more than on christain drag me off to thier church on some flimsy pretext as well.


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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/11/2010 5:53:59 AM   
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No, I think it actually says a lot about those people who base their lives on what they feel and believe instead of what they can confirm and substantiate.




I think the part you are missing is: many, if not, most or all, of the " Faithful " < insert any religion > believe there is confirmation of God's existence and it has been substantiated to them. Substantiated by their own criteria. I am one of those. CPK illustrated that nicely in her post.

I think most people base many decisions on things they can't confirm/substantiate. It's called taking a risk.

Simple examples would be:

1-One gets a job offer, requiring them to move far from where they are.  They believe, based on their criteria, that this will be a better job, and be a good move for the family. They sell their home, leave what they know and move to the better job. Is their any proof that the job will be better or that the family will be better off ? Not really, there is an educated guess.

2- many people base a good portion of their life, some: even all of their life, on a political ideology. I'll make it simple. Many people believe that this Healthcare bill is the best thing for this country. No one has any proof or confirmation of that. It's their belief, based on their ideology. And they want to inflict their ideology on everyone, based on something they can't confirm or substantiate. Is their belief any less valid than mine ? No, they have come to that belief based on what they feel and believe.

3- More philosophically : Who can substantiate/confirm Love ?  Just like religion, there are all kinds of ways to love, There are individual criterias for love. They're called feelings and beliefs. Many people build an entire lifetime and family around what they believe is love.

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/11/2010 6:09:48 AM   
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I don't see anywhere in that article where the God they are speaking of is the " Christian God ".  I don't see any specs on the diversity of the poll group as to religious affiliation. Christians, Jews and many Muslims call their Supreme being God.


1. While I'm not terribly familiar with the Muslim and Jewish religions, I'm under the impression that Christians are the only ones that use "God" as though it’s a proper name. Muslims refer to theirs as Allah. Don't the Jews do something different as well? Maybe DarkSteven can step in and explain that to me.

2. Practitioners of Judaism and Islam make up something like 2.2% and 0.8% of the US population respectively. So unless the diversity of the poll is obscenely out of whack with the diversity of the US, we're talking about the Christian god.

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/11/2010 6:21:05 AM   
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You have probably seen DarkSteven and other Jewish poster write this :

G-D or something similar.

Yes, they believe in God. They leave out the " O " because their religion dictates they not write out the word. The law this is based on is from Dueteronomy: Laws that God gave to Moses. Not writing the entire word is one way to prevent others from destroying the name of God. I am sure DarkSteven will confirm this for you.  Yes, Muslim believe in Allah, however they often use the term God also. And if , asked the questions on that poll would use the word God to represent Allah. If you listen to leaders of the Muslim religion or have Muslim friends or aquaintences, they often use the word God when referring to Allah.

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Clarification: I used Dueteronomy for your edification. It is where you will find the laws God gave to Moses and it will illustrate why they " O " is missing. I was not saying the Jews write it  that way based on the Christian Bible. Just want to make that clear.

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/11/2010 6:51:51 AM   
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I looked it up for you Steel:

Allah is the Arabic word for God. "Al" =   the word " the"  
Illah =  the word God

So in the english Language " Allah " = "God". With a Capitol letter, since the capitalize their diety.

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edited to add :
In regards to Judiasm : Are you thinking of the word " Yahweh " as what Jewish followers call  God ?
If so, Yahweh is also the Christian God.  Yaweh is used in many Christain churches and their are Christian Hymms with this other word for God. < You Are Near, Rise, O Yaweh > The Cathiolic Church banned the use of the word Yahweh in their masses or songs some time ago. But as for the Protestant side of Christianity, we use Yahweh, interchagably with God.
Hallelu Yah.. means Praise Yah     < Yahweh >
Hope that helps.

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/11/2010 7:12:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

My issue with the opening post is the ridiculing of belief systems that you do not subscribe to...this comment....
quote:

Maybe this answers why we can't get anything done in this country.

After all, it's not really our responsibility.



...rather condescending and closed minded of you... you want tolerance from others and yet refuse to offer any of your own... not even an attempt to understand how other people believe or feel or how they interpret the world.. which says more about you than the content of their beliefs....


No, I think it actually says a lot about those people who base their lives on what they feel and believe instead of what they can confirm and substantiate.

Which is their own business, and I have no problem with anyone's religious beliefs.

Where I find a problem is when those religious beliefs have such a profound impact on public policy and thereby an impact on those who do not share those beliefs.

Whether it is through apathy by believing that God will handle everything or by someone believing their opinions and actions are correct because it is God's will. 





Here is the thing that amuses me... Atheists run around mocking that which they do not believe as if this is a "rational" position. There is this smugness about many Atheists that I have encountered (not all, but quite a few) because they believe they are right and everyone else is stupid, ignorant, and "irrational". Their self appraisal has its roots deep in their own cultural perspective founded on The Enlightenment movement of European White culture... in other words, founded in the scientific method, logic, and these things have their roots in Colonialism and subjugation of other people based upon the "superiority" of these "enlightened" people. I find the above more frightening than people believing that god, as they understand that concept, has a direct impact on their life. Your statements lump all people of faith into the same pile... you would negate people who believe in the Sacred by making them all out to be like Pat Robertson, which is highly unfair.

I would be sad if it was proven that there was no life after death. I would be sad if I was alone in a disconnected universe. I would be sad if there was no point to it all. I have no horse in the god debate, but I certainly hope Atheists are wrong....People all over the world believe in something larger than themselves... The Enlightenment movement is rather recent, and it brings a lot of baggage with it, just like religions do... be prepared to carry that baggage....

The only intellectually sound position on god is that of agnosticism, because one cannot know whether or not there is a supreme consciousness out there, and to take a position one way or another is a statement of belief... yet Atheists will time and again say they cannot disprove Santa Claus as a support for logically disproving god. Well, I can prove there is no Santa Claus easily, but I cannot prove there is no ultimate consciousness of a creative stripe. Agnosticism also does not assume an answer and it does not negate other people who believe differently.

You want to be smug, go right ahead, I think you are no different than any other person who has The One True Way and ridicules every other way.



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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/11/2010 7:58:03 AM   
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Personally, I like what St Augustine had to say "Work like everything depends on you.  Pray like everything depends on God."

To sit back and think God is going to do everything or even to sit back and think The Government is going to do everything or even to sit back and think Someone Else is going to do everything is just a coward's approach to life, in my opinion.



I adore this.

I think most people prefer to place blame for their bad judgment elsewhere. God is just another of their scapegoats.


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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/11/2010 8:11:17 AM   
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Two comments:
1- Free will does not just pertain to our own individual free will. Example : why did little susie, only 2 year old die of leukemia ? She didn't do anything to have God take her away and the free will thing couldn't possibly apply to a 2 year old.

Perhaps little susie's home was on a nuclear waste dump that some irresponible prick secretly dumped plutonium on 30 years ago. It's not about individuals free will, it's about Man's free will. And the free will of some one hundreds of years ago can affect us now. Whether you believe in God or not, that is simply the truth.

Clearly little Susie lives on a super secret plutonium dump

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/11/2010 8:19:18 AM   
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Atheists run around mocking that which they do not believe as if this is a "rational" position....

As it appears to me, some of these folks are really just committed Materialists, sailing deceptively under the banner of Atheism. Ask them to prove their philosophy's claim about the ultimate nature of reality, and see how far they get. Given our current knowledge of quantum physics, you might as well believe in leprechauns.

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/11/2010 8:24:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot
I looked it up for you Steel:

Allah is the Arabic word for God. "Al" = the word " the"
Illah = the word God

So in the english Language " Allah " = "God". With a Capitol letter, since the capitalize their diety.

Wouldn't that translate to "The God"?

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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot
In regards to Judaism : Are you thinking of the word " Yahweh " as what Jewish followers call God ?

Actually I was thinking about how hard Jews try not to use a proper name to represent their deity.

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And if , asked the questions on that poll would use the word God to represent Allah.

That may very well be true. Since I haven't seen the poll questions I can't comment, what were they?



P.S. I couldn't help but notice that you ignored my second point (the more compelling one) that your objection should at most apply to 3% of the people in the survey.

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/11/2010 9:28:47 AM   
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Atheists run around mocking that which they do not believe as if this is a "rational" position....

As it appears to me, some of these folks are really just committed Materialists, sailing deceptively under the banner of Atheism. Ask them to prove their philosophy's claim about the ultimate nature of reality, and see how far they get. Given our current knowledge of quantum physics, you might as well believe in leprechauns.

K.



I suppose it is the "agency" vs "structure".... there is this tension between determinism and the idea of agency.. the very idea that we can create with our thoughts is exceedingly challenging to those who think that there is an innate structure... and those who are on the side of structure have a lot in common with religious fundamentalists of all stripes, who believe in structure too...

I am not completely post modern in how I view the world, I still see how the material facts of existence frame the questions we ask and the things we think about... but to dismiss agency all together, I can't arrive at that place intellectually either...


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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/11/2010 3:29:46 PM   
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Yes it translates into The God.. that's pretty much what I wrote, is it not ? The poll was written in English, one would presume since it was given to Americans.  American Muslims don't call Allah " the God " , they call him God or Allah. Hell, OBL calls him God, not The God. You seem to have missed that I was telling you that the word is Arabic and as with all language the literal translation is not always how the word translates into English

I did not ignore your second part. I chose not to answer it. Laws of percentage would be that the majority of people answering the poll are speaking of the Christian God. Happy now ? However, we have no idea what this pollster intent was. Perhaps he chose a focus group of 300 and had it evenly split between Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and Hindu"s. That could be a possiblilty, no ?  We don't know. W don't even know if they are Fundies, mainstream or relaxed type Christians.

As for Little Susie and the plutonium dump, If you cannot comprehend what I wrote I suggest you  watch Erin Brokovitch. You will see plenty of little Susies who died for just the reason I stated. Ever heard of Love Canal ? Little Susies died there too. Because of some one elses actions. Like I said, it's not simply a religious/Christian thing. It fact. The free will of others can have a negative effect on others, That is not God orchastrating it, it is man orchestrating it. Katrina and N. O. : the horrendous disaster there was due to the free will of man. The Mayor's free will to not handle the situation properly and subsequently GWB's free will not to handle the situation properly.

As for the poll questions : Except for one, I do not know the exact questions asked. But I have a pretty good idea, as do you. However, if you are that curious I suggest you get the most recent copy of the journel: Sociolgy of Religion. That is where you will find the entirity of the poll and research. I myself am satisfied that the nuts and bolts of the question is quite clear, I do not need to know the exact wording of the question. Nitpick much, Steel ?

Listen Steel :   I have no desire to argue religion with anyone. You have yours < or not > and I have mine. No where in this thread or anywhere else do I put down anyone's belief or try and recruit others to my beliefs. I simply am giving my thoughts and my beliefs.  I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, except that the evil Christians are the ones who answered that poll.  I am pretty sure that anyone who is among the " Faithful " would answer very similarly in regards to the God they chose to worship. And no, that is not a concession that the poll was strictly among Christians. Just an educated guess.


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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/11/2010 6:49:40 PM   
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Here is the thing that amuses me... Atheists run around mocking that which they do not believe as if this is a "rational" position. There is this smugness about many Atheists that I have encountered (not all, but quite a few) because they believe they are right and everyone else is stupid, ignorant, and "irrational".

Here's the thing that amuses me.

At no point in this thread did I mock anyone's beliefs.

Yet, a topic about religion cannot be brought up without the "believers" becoming indignant and offended.

The article pointed out that a great many people in this country believe to the point of abandoning control of their own destiny.

Is this what you advocate?  God will solve everything, and hey, if he doesn't no big deal because we have that afterlife to look forward to, where we'll sit on clouds in the sky and sip champagne all day.

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I would be sad if it was proven that there was no life after death. I would be sad if I was alone in a disconnected universe. I would be sad if there was no point to it all. I have no horse in the god debate, but I certainly hope Atheists are wrong....


You know what?

I hope I'm wrong too.

I grew up in a very religious family and it scared me to death when I first begin to contemplate that this is all there is, after having been raised to believe life was some sort of pit stop or proving ground before we finally receive "eternal happiness".

But I slowly started to believe that in itself was the reason why.

Life is short and fragile, so we need to soothe ourselves by trying to believe there is somehow more.

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The only intellectually sound position on god is that of agnosticism, because one cannot know whether or not there is a supreme consciousness out there, and to take a position one way or another is a statement of belief...


I never said I was an atheist.  That was your assumption.  

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You want to be smug, go right ahead, I think you are no different than any other person who has The One True Way and ridicules every other way.


Well again, I didn't ridicule anyone unless you think someone expressing an opinion you disagree with is somehow ridiculing you.

Though, I must admit, I did sadly expect this kind of reaction.

But this is not a thread about the existence of God.

It is about how a large percentage of those who do believe let it influence all aspects of their life.

Just to reiterate:


  • 71 percent said they believe that when good or bad things happen, these occurrences are simply part of God's plan for them.
  •  61 percent indicated they believe God has determined the direction and course of their lives.
  • 32 percent agreed with the statement: "There is no sense in planning a lot because ultimately my fate is in God's hands."

Hell. if God's got it all covered I might as well pop a few beers, watch some tv and take a nap.

After all, there's nothing I can do about it anyway, it's God's plan.




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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/11/2010 10:07:08 PM   
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Perhaps he chose a focus group of 300 and had it evenly split between Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and Hindu"s. That could be a possibility, no ?

No, not and make a valid statement about what most Americans believe.

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I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, except that the evil Christians are the ones who answered that poll.

I'm not saying anything about evil, I don't even know what that word could possibly mean in this context. The point I'm making is that as much as you were trying to distract with claims about Jews and Muslims this survey wasn't about them at least in any significant sense. While I think it's great that for you religion involves personal responsibility a very significant number of Christians disagree with you and that's something worth talking about.

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/12/2010 6:19:37 AM   
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Here's the thing that amuses me.

At no point in this thread did I mock anyone's beliefs.

Yet, a topic about religion cannot be brought up without the "believers" becoming indignant and offended.

The article pointed out that a great many people in this country believe to the point of abandoning control of their own destiny.

Is this what you advocate? God will solve everything, and hey, if he doesn't no big deal because we have that afterlife to look forward to, where we'll sit on clouds in the sky and sip champagne all day.


I call this mocking

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Maybe this answers why we can't get anything done in this country.

After all, it's not really our responsibility.


and this too

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No, I think it actually says a lot about those people who base their lives on what they feel and believe instead of what they can confirm and substantiate.



You wrote those things, own them, you know, take responsibility

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Yet, a topic about religion cannot be brought up without the "believers" becoming indignant and offended.

The article pointed out that a great many people in this country believe to the point of abandoning control of their own destiny.

Is this what you advocate?  God will solve everything, and hey, if he doesn't no big deal because we have that afterlife to look forward to, where we'll sit on clouds in the sky and sip champagne all day.



You know what, if you were to say, "hey, I am an Atheist, the concept of God doesn't make much sense to me".  I certainly wouldn't comment... but that isn't what you did. You made derogatory comments about people who have faith in things, and that to me is trollish to be honest.

You are again mocking people here.

Now you want to make this about the content of my beliefs, well the content of my beliefs isn't even important because that isn't what is motivating me to post here. It is the mocking of other people and their beliefs.... I study religion academically.



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I hope I'm wrong too.

I grew up in a very religious family and it scared me to death when I first begin to contemplate that this is all there is, after having been raised to believe life was some sort of pit stop or proving ground before we finally receive "eternal happiness".

But I slowly started to believe that in itself was the reason why.

Life is short and fragile, so we need to soothe ourselves by trying to believe there is somehow more.


I'm sorry your family seems to have ruined the god concept and you can't be spiritual anymore, but taking it out on people of faith isn't going to make you feel one iota better.

You aren't the first to hypothesize that, and you will not be the last.

The one thing that Atheists of all stripes lack is the experience of relating with the Sacred. Maybe they can't because of psychological scars, maybe they can't because their brains are different from the norm... who knows...

Here is what I know, people since the dawn of time have spiritual experiences..... so these experiences to YOU are meaningless. To those who have them they give their lives meaning. You are shitting on that by mocking people. You are the one out of step, you are the one that is out of the norm, you are the one that isn't "getting it"... but go on telling yourself that you are superior and logical...

Like I said, your worldview is founded on White European Enlightenment, of the belief that the scientific method is somehow a religion... replaces the Sacred and can answer all questions... Science can't do that.  Science cannot describe the human experience.. sorry to break it to you, but you are just as irrational, illogical, and emotional as everyone else... you just have science to explain your reality...


Someone else suggested you look into quantum physics .... it would be a really good idea, because the real isn't as real as you believe it to be.


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Well again, I didn't ridicule anyone unless you think someone expressing an opinion you disagree with is somehow ridiculing you.


I think hinting around that people who ask god for intervention in their lives and for comfort shouldn't be trusted to vote and they are destroying our country is maybe even worse than simple mocking... it is saying that a whole group of people aren't good citizens and can't be trusted. That is what you did, and you also mocked too.

BTW, I am a Taoist. Taoists do not necessarily believe in a God, although there is nothing precluding us from it either.


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Though, I must admit, I did sadly expect this kind of reaction.


I am saddened when people strike out against that which they do not understand.

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But this is not a thread about the existence of God.



No.. it is about how irrational dem God Fearin' folk are... gotcha


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It is about how a large percentage of those who do believe let it influence all aspects of their life.

Just to reiterate:
  • 71 percent said they believe that when good or bad things happen, these occurrences are simply part of God's plan for them.
  •  61 percent indicated they believe God has determined the direction and course of their lives.
  • 32 percent agreed with the statement: "There is no sense in planning a lot because ultimately my fate is in God's hands."

Hell. if God's got it all covered I might as well pop a few beers, watch some tv and take a nap.

After all, there's nothing I can do about it anyway, it's God's plan.



Why do you care?

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/12/2010 8:12:20 AM   
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Perhaps he chose a focus group of 300 and had it evenly split between Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and Hindu"s. That could be a possibility, no ?

No, not and make a valid statement about what most Americans believe.

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I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, except that the evil Christians are the ones who answered that poll.

I'm not saying anything about evil, I don't even know what that word could possibly mean in this context. The point I'm making is that as much as you were trying to distract with claims about Jews and Muslims this survey wasn't about them at least in any significant sense. While I think it's great that for you religion involves personal responsibility a very significant number of Christians disagree with you and that's something worth talking about.


If you want to be truly honest the biggest religious makeup would be hypocrite.  While the vast majority of Americans claim to be Christian their actual lives bear no real reflection of that. 

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/12/2010 8:31:19 AM   
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Isn't that the truth!!!

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My twisted, self deprecating, sense of humour, finds alot to laugh about, in your lack of one!

Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/12/2010 2:21:41 PM   
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They say there are no atheists in foxholes, yet I don't think many soldiers live godly lives.



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RE: God Helps with Personal Decisions, Most Americans Say - 3/12/2010 2:25:15 PM   
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Well thats a truism only in that there are many who are gonna go:

please god, help me thru this one and I promise I'll help myself thru the next one.

I know.

Ron

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Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


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